Youtube Censoring Sheen's Video to Obama

Thought I'd drop by this thread to see how the discussion was going and I have to say that Squidboy and Harpsounds (fantastic avatar btw, Lydon's an intelligent and ornery guy) are providing intelligent back and forth as far as I can see.

Why honest attempts to assess whether Goo-Tube are pulling a fast one on this video should make people seem like conspiracy nuts is beyond me.

Harpsounds (from the little I've seen) seems like a genuine skeptic rather than a debunker, and there's politeness and respect between the two of them as they try to figure out what's happening.

Neither of them look like nutcases to me, in fact it seems like this thread is an example of what ATS is all about.

Update

Deletion of Honors continue.

Honors as of 9/17

#1 - Most Discussed (This Week)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Week) - News & Politics
#11 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#2 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#88 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#15 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#15 - Top Favorited (This Week)
#1 - Top Favorited (This Week) - News & Politics
#2 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#3 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

Please look again at this one. In a matter of days... Where did these honors go?

The following posted Honors were present on 9/15:

#24 - Most Responded (Today)
#4 - Most Responded (Today) - News & Politics
#7 - Most Responded (This Week)
#1 - Most Responded (This Week) - News & Politics
#29 - Most Responded (This Month)
#4 - Most Responded (This Month) - News & Politics
#13 - Most Responded (All Time) - News & Politics

They have now vanished. Most Responded Honors have been deleted.

For more of an eye opener. Here were the honors that were present on 7/14.

#1 - Most Discussed (This Week)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Week) - News & Politics
#21 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#3 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#12 - Most Responded (Today)
#2 - Most Responded (Today) - News & Politics
#8 - Most Responded (This Week)
#1 - Most Responded (This Week) - News & Politics
#29 - Most Responded (This Month)
#4 - Most Responded (This Month) - News & Politics
#13 - Most Responded (All Time) - News & Politics
#13 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Australia
#16 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Canada
#41 - Most Viewed (This Week) - United Kingdom
#28 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Ireland
#23 - Most Viewed (This Week) - New Zealand
#29 - Most Viewed (This Week)
#48 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Netherlands
#83 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Czech Republic
#77 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Sweden
#17 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Germany
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Australia
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Canada
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - United Kingdom
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Ireland
#13 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - India
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - New Zealand
#18 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Israel
#3 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics
#28 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Spain
#89 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Mexico
#43 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - France
#46 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - South Korea
#5 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Netherlands
#8 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Poland
#35 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Brazil
#32 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Russia
#84 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Hong Kong
#5 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Czech Republic
#1 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Sweden
#17 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#15 - Top Favorited (This Week)
#1 - Top Favorited (This Week) - News & Politics
#3 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#77 - Top Rated (This Week)
#2 - Top Rated (This Week) - News & Politics
#5 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

In 3 days, this video went from 47 honors to 10.







[edit on 17-9-2009 by squidboy]

Honors update 9/19:

#8 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#74 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#35 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Australia
#36 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Canada
#43 - Most Viewed (This Week) - United Kingdom
#28 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Ireland
#75 - Most Viewed (This Week) - India
#41 - Most Viewed (This Week) - New Zealand
#44 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Netherlands
#86 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Czech Republic
#65 - Most Viewed (This Week) - Sweden
#10 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Germany
#3 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Australia
#4 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Canada
#3 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - United Kingdom
#3 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Ireland
#8 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - India
#4 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - New Zealand
#10 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Israel
#4 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics
#9 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Spain
#47 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Mexico
#35 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - France
#67 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Japan
#32 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - South Korea
#4 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Netherlands
#7 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Poland
#22 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Brazil
#23 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Russia
#46 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Hong Kong
#6 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Czech Republic
#2 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics - Sweden
#10 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#2 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#4 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

Hmmm, still not one "most responded" honor. Odd seeing that the honor was originally at one point presented for the video (several in fact). Where'd they go?

That leaves these are the American Honors:

#8 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#74 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#4 - Most Viewed (This Week) - News & Politics
#10 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#2 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#4 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics


Compare this list with the honors posted on 9/17

#1 - Most Discussed (This Week)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Week) - News & Politics
#11 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#2 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#88 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#15 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#15 - Top Favorited (This Week)
#1 - Top Favorited (This Week) - News & Politics
#2 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#3 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

Guess there was a reset at some point, thus the lowering of some, and the deletion of week honors.

Regardless, let's see how long these 37 honors last, seeing how at one point 47 honors were listed. Interesting seeing International honors being posted again, these are the quickest to be deleted, in no specific manner. On day, deleted, on another day, delelted, and now again back. It's like a wave of honors, that come in with the tide...

Video's still stuck at 600k, depsite having the ratings and comments of a 4 Million view video as well.

I thought i would check out the video to see how it was doing.

right now has
729,634 views
10,147 ratings (seems to be low with over 700,000 views)
36,240 comments ( i think is low to)

Honors for this video (6)
#4 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#46 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#12 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#3 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#6 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

its says #12 for most viewed this month, but it should be 3rd most viewed.
Going by most viewed currently in 3rd place is Beyonce with just over 304,000 views, this video should be in that position

so something still stinks

Originally posted by wycky
I thought i would check out the video to see how it was doing.

right now has
729,634 views
10,147 ratings (seems to be low with over 700,000 views)
36,240 comments ( i think is low to)

Honors for this video (6)
#4 - Most Discussed (This Month)
#1 - Most Discussed (This Month) - News & Politics
#46 - Most Discussed (All Time) - News & Politics
#12 - Most Viewed (This Month) - News & Politics
#3 - Top Favorited (This Month) - News & Politics
#6 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics

its says #12 for most viewed this month, but it should be 3rd most viewed.
Going by most viewed currently in 3rd place is Beyonce with just over 304,000 views, this video should be in that position

so something still stinks

Yep, however no matter how much evidence you have people don't really care. They think since it has 700k views, then it's fixed, and there's nothing to see.... It's affected tons of truth videos, this one was just so obvious. This is why I started the thread, and stuck with it...

I found it to be a very interesting occurrence. And yes, Sheen and Jones have commented on the Youtube manipulation for this video (and others).

I miss the old days of Youtube, when the numbers came as they came, comments were not deleted, and ratings stuck. The only loop hole would occur on weekends, when Porn videos would slip by the censors until Monday when they were erased...

Not today, really sad.... But it is just a sign of things to come really, with Internet 2.

It's also incredible, that no one wanted to debate Sheen.... It's obvious to me, what occurred on 9/11, and it's act such as these that strengthen my belief.

Regardless.... Youtube will continue to this... But at least it's obvious that they do. Hopefully one day, people will be held lawfully accountable.

reply to post by squidboy


Are there not alternatives to youtube that are not so strictly niche sites that no one would find them? If not, why not start one? Someone must have the time and money.

Originally posted by Lillydale
reply to post by squidboy

 

Are there not alternatives to youtube that are not so strictly niche sites that no one would find them? If not, why not start one? Someone must have the time and money.

As I have mentioned several times now, torrents. I took the time to convert the .flv file, make a torrent, and seed it. There is nothing stopping anyone from either seeding it or starting their own.

www.mininova.org...

Its completely free and requires a small amount of "work". I guess thats why we choose to QQ in forums rather than DO something about it.

reply to post by jprophet420


Sorry I asked. I use utorrent quite frequently but there is a lot of crap out there with viruses embedded and tons of fake .rar files. I just thought there must be some other website that does not require an anonymous download of files directly onto my machine. I also thought that if there was not such a thing, then the market place is certainly in need of one.

Thought I would revive this thread with Charlie Sheen news:

If you haven't heard, he has been accused of going after his wife with a weapon. The latest news from the just released 911 Tape is that it was a knife he attacked her with. (allegedly)




911 Operator: OK and you have a domestic disturbance? OK, tell me exactly what happened.

Brooke: My husband had me (inaudible) with a knife and I'm scared for my life and he threatened me.

www.cbsnews.com...

reply to post by ImAPepper


That's some high craziness for sure - but it also seems very interesting that every time Sheen goes high profile for 9/11 Truth activisim - that all of a sudden there are news reports of him commiting some kind of immoral act.

I mean - no one's arguing that he is a saint - but the timing is very fortuitous for the opposition...

However - I suppose - if he really does act wildy inapropriate everytime he gets the adreniline rush of fighting for 9/11 transparency - perhaps he should not be used for a spoksperson going forward...

Somehow though I am skeptical...

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Thought I would revive this thread with Charlie Sheen news:

If you haven't heard, he has been accused of going after his wife with a weapon. The latest news from the just released 911 Tape is that it was a knife he attacked her with. (allegedly)

911 Operator: OK and you have a domestic disturbance? OK, tell me exactly what happened.

Brooke: My husband had me (inaudible) with a knife and I'm scared for my life and he threatened me.

www.cbsnews.com...

And this has what to do with Youtube censoring his video to Obama? Or 9/11 for that matter.

Nothing.

This would be, I believe a perfect example of character assassination. B/c we all know that so called Debunkers hate Sheen for being a so called Truther. So even though Sheen is innocent until proven guilty, lets go ahead and parade him on the 9/11 forum as a wife beater.

Real nice.

sorry, I did a quick scan of this thread, and you guys are wondering how youtube assigns the "most whatever" type of viewing aknowledgements right?

and then say that some are missing after a while.

edit:

The problem is not specific to anyone, despite what Alex Jones or anyone says; its an ongoing problem for ALL users of Youtube:
www.google.com...

If needed < I can talk to my Youtube Contact to see why this happens. But that wont be till after the new year. YES. I do have a Youtube Contact

[edit on 30-12-2009 by RipCurl]

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
reply to post by ImAPepper

 

That's some high craziness for sure - but it also seems very interesting that every time Sheen goes high profile for 9/11 Truth activisim - that all of a sudden there are news reports of him commiting some kind of immoral act.

I mean - no one's arguing that he is a saint - but the timing is very fortuitous for the opposition...

However - I suppose - if he really does act wildy inapropriate everytime he gets the adreniline rush of fighting for 9/11 transparency - perhaps he should not be used for a spoksperson going forward...

Somehow though I am skeptical...

I question ANYONE that would be willing to father his children, knowing his past. ie: drug use, shooting his girlfriend, hookers, etc. Was she telling the truth? I'm not going to be the judge of that.

Now, Sheen's cloudy past was prior to him becoming another idiot celebrity truther. Allegedly attacking his wife with a knife is the first known act of "illegal" idiocy since coming out of the truther closet.

Originally posted by PersonalChoice

And this has what to do with Youtube censoring his video to Obama? Or 9/11 for that matter.

Nothing.

Right

This would be, I believe a perfect example of character assassination. B/c we all know that so called Debunkers hate Sheen for being a so called Truther. So even though Sheen is innocent until proven guilty, lets go ahead and parade him on the 9/11 forum as a wife beater.

Real nice.

I don't hate Sheen. I think his show is hilarious. Um, and Sheen shot his then fiance Kelly Preston many years ago...although he claimed it to be an "accident". Oh, she left him shorty after the "accident." Ex wife Richards, accused Sheen of abusing drugs and alcohol and threatening her with violence.

No need to assassinate his character, he does a great job himself.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by ImAPepper]

Originally posted by ImAPepper

I question ANYONE that would be willing to father his children, knowing his past. ie: drug use, shooting his girlfriend, hookers, etc. Was she telling the truth? I'm not going to be the judge of that.

Now, Sheen's cloudy past was prior to him becoming another idiot celebrity truther. Allegedly attacking his wife with a knife is the first known act of "illegal" idiocy since coming out of the truther closet.

Okay - I forgot about the Preston incident - I would say I am less skeptical now - he's admited he has relationship problems but clearly they are more extreme (and abusive) than he has been willing to admit.

I do, however, take exception with your characterization of Truth Activists as idiots as several members of the truth movement - such as myself - are also members of well respected Professional Groups as well as MENSA.

Actors - and many other professional entertainment celebrities - are rarely rocket scientists - however I do not think one needs to be a Genius to tear apart the offical Govt. narrative of the events of 9/11.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
I do, however, take exception with your characterization of Truth Activists as idiots as several members of the truth movement - such as myself - are also members of well respected Professional Groups as well as MENSA.

Actors - and many other professional entertainment celebrities - are rarely rocket scientists - however I do not think one needs to be a Genius to tear apart the offical Govt. narrative of the events of 9/11.

Sorry to upset you. All leaders of the TM are snake oil salesmen. In it for a buck and that's all.

Can you please list the member of the Truth Movement that are also members of MENSA? If you are claiming to be on the list, I am requesting some proof. (you spelled two words wrong in your post)

reply to post by squidboy


I watched the video around 5 mins ago, just tried to view it again and I was redirected to a youtube page saying that I could not be connected because a high number of people from my network were trying to connect, hope the video is not being removed!

What has spelling got to do with this Charley Sheen video? And, on the other hand, what has it got to do with MENSA if that is what the implication is. However spelling has a place in the seven intelligences as defined by Howard Gardner under Verbal/Linguistic.

Originally posted by nasdack24k
Google gave BHO $803,436 in campaign contributions.
Google owns youtube.
Maybe google doesn't want Charlie to speak with BHO..

Well, that's two things Sergei Brin screwed up... Chrome and his donations to Obama. Wonder if there's going to be a bidding war over net neutrality now.

Wall Street law firms (most of whom are also registered lobbyists) gave over $11,000,000 to Obama's campaign, just by October 2008. Are we surprised that the TARP money went to Obama's benefactors?

At least, if Obama stays bought, we're safe from "net neutrality." So far BHO has screwed his "progressive" base every time when someone's paid him to....

[edit on 4-1-2010 by Murky]

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
reply to post by ImAPepper

 

That's some high craziness for sure - but it also seems very interesting that every time Sheen goes high profile for 9/11 Truth activisim - that all of a sudden there are news reports of him commiting some kind of immoral act.

I mean - no one's arguing that he is a saint - but the timing is very fortuitous for the opposition...

However - I suppose - if he really does act wildy inapropriate everytime he gets the adreniline rush of fighting for 9/11 transparency - perhaps he should not be used for a spoksperson going forward...

Somehow though I am skeptical...

It's not so amazing that he gets caught abusing his domestic partner/wife when he goes ape# over "9/11 Truth" if you figure that there's a degree of baseline wife-beating activity associated with Charlie Sheen, so that when there's an up-tick in his Truther activity, the wire services go looking for other stuff with his name on it... and there... you... go.