It has been 8 Years......

Stop this "oh I thank God im still alive"-crap. If you were from Iraq or some other #ed up contry it would be ok. You arrogant "Americans"(America is a #ing continent) should stop making everything in this world be about you. There is no threat. As long as you have food and a #ing house you shouldnt be complaining.

9/11 is NOTHING and then I say NOTHING compered to all the other #ed up # that goes on. It's sad that people died on that day, but its even more sad that 9/11 gets more attention then some of the other big massacres and wars that has been -and still goes around in the world.

But people say "but this was a terrorist attack, its way worse. All the other are wars for freedom." Ehm, excuse me, but if you don't call for example the attacks in iraq for works of terrorists you should just go and burry your head in the sand.

After when YOU, yes you the #ing people who vote for those sadists, went to the middle-east, south-america, nam' and all the other places you have acted as world police in, #ed it up. Didnt you think there would be payback? 9/11 is NOTHING compered to all the lifes you have on your consciousness. You are still hurting people. Stop blaming your government. That is all you do here on ATS. Get up from your computer and do something about it, not complain all the time. Your country will never change if you don't do something. Most of you idiots in here all say "oh, we need to do something". But all you really do is sit here and complain on every little thing that your government does.

Actions speaks louder then words:



Can't wait for the response on this

I will not watch TV nor listen to the radio about this, because:

1. It was too emotially tragic the first time and I do not wish to live it again.

and

2. It's hard to watch something that you believe at some level our government had knowledge about in advance and then allowed Americans to be killed to fulfill their agenda.

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Originally posted by kresh7
Stop this "oh I thank God im still alive"-crap. If you were from Iraq or some other #ed up contry it would be ok. You arrogant "Americans"(America is a #ing continent) should stop making everything in this world be about you. There is no threat. As long as you have food and a #ing house you shouldnt be complaining.

9/11 is NOTHING and then I say NOTHING compered to all the other #ed up # that goes on. It's sad that people died on that day, but its even more sad that 9/11 gets more attention then some of the other big massacres and wars that has been -and still goes around in the world.

But people say "but this was a terrorist attack, its way worse. All the other are wars for freedom." Ehm, excuse me, but if you don't call for example the attacks in iraq for works of terrorists you should just go and burry your head in the sand.

After when YOU, yes you the #ing people who vote for those sadists, went to the middle-east, south-america, nam' and all the other places you have acted as world police in, #ed it up. Didnt you think there would be payback? 9/11 is NOTHING compered to all the lifes you have on your consciousness. You are still hurting people. Stop blaming your government. That is all you do here on ATS. Get up from your computer and do something about it, not complain all the time. Your country will never change if you don't do something. Most of you idiots in here all say "oh, we need to do something". But all you really do is sit here and complain on every little thing that your government does.

Actions speaks louder then words:

Can't wait for the response on this

Wow, You seem pretty negative. I dont think the OP or anyone else was insinuating that they dont care about all the other atrocities that happen, I think that the OP was making a relevant point about 9/11 being that it is today. Actually I think the OP was just asking us to remember all the people that lost their lives or are still suffering(not just americans). As far as us just sitting around and complaining, your right we do complain alot but really what are we supposed to do? I know that I do my best to make a difference but I dont have control about the decisions our government makes. I think you need to take a deeper look at your rant. Just because 9/11 is nothing compared to other atrocities to you dosent make it irrelevant to others. You do have a few valid points but the way you address your points is not in a productive manner.

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With all the respect in the world to those that experienced personal loss on that day, I now have take back this September 11 and every day forward as an OK day to be alive.

On that note,

I prefer The Electric Flag to a false flag anytime!

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I hope on this day we reflect with certainty that we are alive for a reason. As wittnesses to this horrible day we need to make sure their lives did not end in vain. And to those lost will never be forgotten as long as we honor their memory and the memory of thousands of others lost to this world since September 11, 2001.

I take this day to remember.

I do want you to know that you have my love, I don't know you but you have it. Peace be with you.

-Gala-

OP i share your pain, as i lost a good friend in the events that took place that day.
i sometimes have to "forget" the conspiracy because it angers me so much that i seem to go into a state of denial as if the whole thing never happened.
but it did.
so here we are on this day mourning what happened.
and i wish that this thread would stop becoming a flame fest, I'm not the OP, but im pretty sure this thread was supposed to be for mourning and reflection....

NEVER forget what happened that terrible day, history forgotten is history repeated.
But also, never EVER forget the reasons and consequences of the attack and the war.
Causes and consequences – only official counts:

US - 9/11
Reason:
Al-Qaeda terrorist group attacks the US for its “specific foreign policies” in the Middle East according to Bin Laden.
Refers to support on Israel against Palestine: “For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed” – Bin Laden.

Consequence:
2985 Americans killed on 09/11/2001
Twin Towers and WTC destroyed, attack on the Pentagon
Afghanistan and Iraq wars

Afghanistan war
Reason:
US says the Afghan government protects Al-Qaeda members and must be stopped. Coalition wants to give “enduring freedom” and democracy to that country. US wants to get Bin Laden.
Consequence:
No declaration of war. “War on Terror” starts 10/07/2001. Almost 8 years of war and still going.
821 American soldiers killed
553 Other coalition troops killed
There is no single official figure for the overall number of civilians killed by the war since 2001. Estimates go from 50,000 to 250,000.
Afghan government toppled.
Bin Laden has not been found. Al-Qaeda has grown in different countries.

Iraq war II
Reasons:
US says Iraqi government supports and arms Al-Qaeda terrorist group.
US government says Iraq has many weapons of mass destruction, including nukes, chemical and biological, and has capability to lunch attacks in Europe. It presents “proof” to all world leaders in the UN. “It has to be stopped”
Consequences:
No declaration of war, “Operation Iraqi Freedom” starts 03/20/2003. 6 years of war and still going.
4,343 American soldiers killed
325 Other coalition troops killed
31,483 American soldiers wounded
655,000 Iraqis killed from the beginning of the war in 2003 to June 2006 according to a Lancet study. Does not include deaths because of health, food, or sanitary conditions. The Lancet is one of the most respected medical journals in the world. There is no official count.
Iraqi government toppled. Saddam Hussein tried and killed by hanging. Not a single weapon of mass destruction found. Iraqi government reports found, giving proof that its chemical and biological weapons had been destroyed in accordance to UN resolutions years ago.

That is the official story.
Lets hear your comments.

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Wow kresh, hate America much? You need to calm yourself down man, this thread is dedicated to the events on 9/11 because it happened 8 years ago today. Shouldn't it be remembered? You say that American's don't do anything and just complain but you know why that is? No one will listen! They have their own problems to deal with as I am absolutely sure you have yours. We have our own families to feed and our own bills / taxes to pay.

And now that you've commented on how we should vote a non douche into office, allow me to point out that they give us 2 (snip)bags to choose from every 4 years. Hmm will it be crap for president or the residing corn? We try to pick the lesser of two evils but that is just the problem! We get two evils! I mean Jesus Christ man, I didn't choose for us to go to Iraq! I protested it publicly (with a large group and even my own sign)! See how much good that did? It's not my fault my (not so) elected government chooses to be a bunch of troglodytes! Why the (snip) would I want that? Personally I would rather my government fed the hungry and poor than giving trillions to foreign banks. You're welcome for that btw! Have some (snip)ing decency.

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Sometimes I read magazines from 1999 and think about all of the things that have changed in the U.S. over the past ten years. Last night I was reading a small blurb about a woman living in New Orleans, and I wondered if she survived hurricane Katrina and where she lives now. It made me realize that these past ten years have been compressed with events. If someone had told me exactly what would happen in detail, I never would have believed any of it.

My husband last night said that the tragedies we've had here are not nearly so bad as what happened with the Asian tsunami. But I said that to compare each tragedy against another, pretty soon things start to loose meaning. It was all really bad.

I've really had enough of people acting like every American citizen is totally responsible for everything our government has ever done. I vote. I protest. I write my representatives. I do a lot of other things. I don't know what else it is that I'm supposed to be doing.

Hi Everybody,

Silent reflection is beneficial in most circumstances, and looking back we all experienced feelings that were new to us. What a terrible day, truly it was a crime against humanity but that again is another thread.

Power and Equality

If you want to pay respect to the dead,lets start with the revolutionary war,and all wars and disasters which have occurred from there until this present time.

>lets not forget about the needless carnage on our roadways either.<

All of the pointless death and misery.

All of the repetitions of history since the beginning.

Recognizing things does not equate to doing something about it.

The dead don't care,they're free.

Compared to a lot of events in the past,9-11 was a non-event.

If it weren't for TV,you wouldn't have even heard about it for a week or so.....

A whole month of TV coverage on that story,and weren't all US aircraft grounded for a month too?.

I am sure that really helped the economy,....

9-11 was to distract you from realising the beginning of the collapse of your economy.

All the wars afterward were to keep you from seeing what was going on when the shock of 9-11 wore off.

Now eue have swine flying around,wait,swine flu (when pigs fly?).

If you weren't so occupied trying to keep a dumb smile on your face,you might actually realise something that matters once in awhile.

Jechu what about all the pre attack propaganda.
The pre conditioning for mind control by trauma.

Sounds like you have some of it.
I can't find the Osama statement they will use our devices against us.
How prophetic.
Yet he said the towers hit in the Serbian warfare made him understand
after when he saw the destruction of WTC towers.
In other words he had no clue.
He was not in on plans he was a harassing mouthpiece.

Unfortunately his super clue came too soon to consider if
anyone was listening at all.
We don't hear much hate against America now that we are firing
bullets at them so we may want to consider what we heard was
for real or perpetrated for our conditioning.



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Remembering those who lost their lives, their families and those who were there responding to the tragedy.

Regardless of how/why/who, there were too many innocent lives lost, lives destroyed and lives changed forever still carrying the ghosts of the day. It's not a time for negativity, but a time to remember.

Blessings,

Dear Keresh7,

I will not argue the cause or the methods that you blame on us the USA.

I refuse to jump into the quagmire of hate.

I will jump and try to help anyone who asks.

I will jump and help anyone who is unable to ask.

I don't care about you beliefs or religion, I will be there.

Remember the story of the Good Samaritan, who upon a path found a injured man who no one would help. He took him upon his horse and cared for him. NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

I remember a movie line... Starship Troopers, What is the difference between a person and a citizen. The Citizen gives a dam about his country and does something about it.

I wish that you never have 3 doctors come into Intensive Care Unit and tell you you have 2 weeks to live unless we take radical treatment.
You don't wake up in the morning and cough up a pound of flem and still say what I did was my best and I wanted to due more.

You have never experienced a traumatic event like this.

The people I served and carried out of there where unknown to me, But I felt so proud to have the honor to serve and bring light to darkness.

I did not want war.

I did not look to be a hero, I served proudly to help my fellow man.

I served knowing one person can make a difference.

I try to look at the positive side and learn how to make the future better.

I want my children to grow up knowing of the hardship we suffered so it is not repeated.

I have 2 Honorable Discharges from the US Army, I served with the EMS and saved lots of lives. I served the People of New York City for 15 years.

And now I am studying Alternative Energy and Engineering to give the planet a brake from burning OIL and COAL.

What are you going to due?????????

Are you a person or a Citizen?

So say we all........

'It has been Eight years'
It's funny, for a second I didn't make the link, get what you where talking about but then I looked at the date at the bottom of my screen. Ok so there was a terrorist attack on America Eight years ago, lots of people died.
I grew up in the UK during the 70's and 80's. Half my family live in Britain, half in Northern Ireland, not surprising seen as though it's just two small islands next to each other. Families tend to drift between the two.
All my young life I and may family lived under the shadow of terrorism, an organisation that killed indiscrimately, men women and children, a criminal drug running, gun running mob who used to blow the kneecaps of children for joyriding. They also decimated both Irish and British cities and culture with Bombs.
I grew up with this horror, this death, this fear.
Later I learned that a great deal of the money that funded the IRA came from America. The good ol' US of A. Land of the free.....financing murderers, drug dealers and mutilators of children....against one of their sworn allies and to the detriment of both Britain and Ireland. I find the reaction of America typical after that one terrorist attack that that country suffered, unusual in that America didn't fund it that time.
How many people have died since that attack, I include American soldiers in this shameful statistic.
It would be so easy to say reap what you sow, but in America as in any nation most people are blameless of these horrors.

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I think the most of us never wanted to go to war, the aftermath we were so shocked the establishment snuck one by us. We were complacent and unaware of the tradgies that were about to unfold before our eyes.

Now and everyday after this one is another chance to rectify what has transpired. I too will not entertain those who blame every American for what has happened in this world. It is everybodys responsiblity to fight injustice and pushing it off to one group or another will only be diggin our own graves deeper in the end.

This is one American here that will not be deceived twice...

All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Bare-foot servants to
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were approachin
And the wind began to howl


-Gala-

Tesla I agree with you that there was all that propaganda, the constant fear of another attack, the famous threat levels and such, only to keep the people scared and in control.

I have to accept that for me (I’m not American and don’t live in the US) it was effective, I didn’t want to travel to the US because of fear and felt unsafe, but had to and was once pointed with M-16s by 3 soldiers at Denver airport because of a beep from the metal detector.

I believed the US story that the Taleban were giving Bin Laden safe heaven, but when they started pointing towards Iraq that entire story of the “war on terror” collapsed for me.

I knew Collin Powel was lying in front of the whole world in the UN with those mobile laboratories with WMD and remember what Dominique de Villepin said that day also: “The war option seems apriori the easiest. But let’s not forget that after winning the war, peace will have to be constructed” (02/06/2003)

So yeah, “War on terror” seemed like a good option but was a complete lie and is still going on after 8 years.

In the end, what has the US gained from it? What has the world gained from it?

The causes were a lie and the consequences were just death and more terrorism. All those killed in the name of “freedom” (from both sides) have died for nothing and only the 3000 killed on 9/11 are remembered. What about the 900,000 “terrorists” killed in both wars?

Freedom is in this case just an idea, an excuse, a weapon. It’s a shame that the propaganda and the lies are still believed by the majority.

There is the progress of freedom perhaps.
The control of more land and raw materials than we had before.

How this whole thing started can only be answered by perhaps
those involved by what is in it for them.

Or were the hijacker easily manipulated by an evil bunch.
Thus what was in it for the manipulators.

As no evidence for alternative conclusions except for strange
oddities we must dig our way out given the approved methods.

Thanks for another great post Jechu in answer of mine.
We are in post 9/11/01 and thats the task we have to resolve.

Where were you on that day. I was on a BA flight No 285 seat 52B leaving on 11 Sept at 1040GMT to SFO from London and was force landed in Edmunton Canada. 3 hours standing in line to be searched with our hand luggage only we did not remove our hold baggage from plane.

I sat for two days in a hotel room glued in disbelieve to the TV News.

When we final arrived back at London I could not find my checked in bag. Going to BA lost and found I found what was left of my bag in a box. Everything was well searched and my luggage was destroyed. That was the last time I travelled with a lock bag.

My heart goes out to all the people who lost loved ones on 911 and later the first responders who were lied to by EPA so that "They" could have Wall Street open for business.

After reviewing many videos and books I do not trust the government version with what happened and hope that one day soon the truth will come out. America and her people have suffered since 911 from their freedom being limited by the NWO or Homeland Security. I also worry about the people who lost their loved ones when the truth comes out as there won't be anything that will calm them down after they have learned why their loved one died.

A very sad day in American History.