It has been 8 Years......

Remembering doesn't change anything. Remembering just gives additional credit to those responsible. I feel for the victims and their families every day. The anniversary has nothing to do with that.

It's been 8 years since we've been wronged by our country and nothing has changed. I wouldn't call it an anniversary, but I'll continue to hope for an awakening.

We no longer have time to remember. It's time for solution.




Cheers,
Strype

[edit on 11-9-2009 by Strype]

reply to post by ziggy1706


Push for the truth YES but not on this thread as the OP wishes.

Truth Now, Freedom Forever
What’s happening with Nine-One-One

“Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” – Samuel Johnson

“A conspiracy is nothing but a secret agreement of a number of men for the pursuance of policies which they dare not admit in public.” – Mark Twain

Today, America is in a State of remorse and remembrance. And while millions grieve in the privacy in their own home, thousands more are protesting in streets from Los Angeles to New York. September Eleventh 2001 wasn’t just a day in which those two towers fell, but a time in which someone could utter the words “the beginning of the end” without much fear of castigation.
Now, eight years later, we have seen several monumental revelations occur, both here at home, and around the world. The first African American president (a wonderful achievement in a “Democratic Nation” if it weren’t all an orchestrated way to capitalize on “change”) in the white house, a bill bordering on universal healthcare in the midst, two wars still waging on, and a vile hatred brewing in select corners of the world….all effects of one man: Mr. George Walker Bush. Looking back on it now, it is almost sad to admit that such an evil man was the president of this country, and has since become the icon of buffoons. I feel a slight quell of embarrassment for the GOP in having that man represent them. But alas, I also feel a relief that they neither perceive him with any great amount of adulteration or respect. Many commentators have even turned “independent” because of the sheer humiliation.
That aside, one cannot possible dismiss the amount of terror he and his administration has caused in the world. He is the greatest example of evil we have had on this planet since probably Adolf Hitler. And I say that after excluding several other notable villains due to the widespread totalitarian doctrine that accepts his actions and forgives his atrocities: patriotism. We know now, and only now, the extent in which he was willing to further his agenda. And few today, even on the Right, are willing to refute those actions in which “their” president engaged in. Terrorism, wars, torture, unlawful imprisonment, violating treaties…and, the one now being articulated by several thousand activists: the Truth of September 11th 2001.
These are all facts known to any avid reader before opening any book, or clicking on any website. I hope that I am not the one telling anybody right now that the 9-11 commission report was admitted as being a farce by many high-rank officials including Senator Max Cleland, and General Wesley Clark, who said “we never finished the investigation of 9/11”. President Bush even outright refused to testify before the commission. In case I am I am telling you for the first time, I might as will explain why and what is subsequently taking place, and why all those protesters are lined up spreading a message of Truth.
You see, there is a notion of totalitarianism that resides inside the mind of everyone. It is subtle, it is persistent, and it conquers over all reason. It is mentality of indoctrinated faith. It is the automatic assumption that there is an entity or a belief that lingers on the edge of perfection, and no argument, or any contradictory claim that proves otherwise, can convince that entity or belief that it is wrong….in even slightest degree. Christians do it when someone denounces the bible or Christ. Capitalists do it when they hear someone mutter the word socialist, or Marxist. And Nationalists do it when someone mentions the words 9-11 Truth. Faith has thankfully been ridiculed for what it is: the relinquishing of the one thing that separates us from the animals…reason.
From here, the proven science of conscientious omittance works on a grand political level. It’s the way that individuals refuse to free their mind and let it start doing rational, objective thought. People, on a large scale, think that the probability of our government having anything to do with the attacks of September 11th is almost null and void. Even more, they dispel those who do consider the possibility as persons deserving a straight jacket. Often times with zero argument or knowledge of the facts.

But why?

Why is the act of consideration – in light of so much evidence that supports the theory – an act deserving so much condemnation? As hard as it is to consider for every person, there is a wide range of suspicious documentation that indicates advance knowledge of the attacks on behalf of our government. And while I wish not to talk in great length about every piece here, I beg the reader to go home and do his or her own investigation. This is the point of patriotism I wish to emphasize with whoever is reading this now: don’t take anybody’s word for it, but question the simple facts discovered by independent researchers, and ask yourself if they add up.
For example; who heard that story in the news which pointed out the enormous time discrepancies regarding the exact time in which the four planes were officially recognized to be hijacked (up to an hour and half), and the point in which jet fighters were deployed to intercept it? (which happened only in the case of flight 93 in Pennsylvania) Where were the jets that should have been scrambled after no more than ten minutes? Why did they fly for so long without any action being taken? Why was the president sitting in a classroom reading about a pet goat after being told the country was under attack? Why was nobody fired after this huge blunder? How does the most sophisticated and advanced intelligence in the world – the Pentagon, with it’s billion dollar budget – had let not one, but four separate attacks take place inside an extremely secured territory? Namely, Washington D.C. and New York. And most importantly, why does the official account – the 9/11 Commission – exclude answers for these questions?
What about that article in the Times that picked up a report that many of the hijackers were still alive? Indeed, after the smoke had cleared, and the dust has settled, the United States announced within hours that they knew who had perpetrated the attacks. The problem was, a short while later, the attackers were widely reported, first by the BBC, then by various Middle Eastern newspapers, to still be alive! This claim as yet to be proven untrue. How can you commit such a grand act of a martyr if you’re still alive after the attacks took place? To expound upon the theme of guiltiness a little more, how can we go and indict Osama Bin Laden for the attacks, when there was no evidence against him? The Taliban is on record of saying they would have handed over Bin Laden if the United States had provided evidence. This could have been an arrogant way of saying “prove it!” if it weren’t for Bush Administration telling everybody that we had overwhelming evidence to prove his involvement. But the evidence never materialized. And to this day it still hasn’t. Bin Laden is on the Most Wanted list, but the crime of September 11th isn’t mentioned at all. Also never reported in the Commission report.
These are trick questions, of course. The media never reports on any of them. Or if they did it was in passing mention, even though they have been given great credibility by many scholars and researchers. If they did mention these things more often, then perhaps we would have less Sean Hannity’s or Rush Limbaugh’s who regularly denounce even the quiet whisper of consideration regarding any conspiracy theory. Perhaps we would have even more protestors out in the streets.

Are these nutcase questions to ask? Is it not a bit peculiar? Just a bit maybe? Well, they’re the same questions being asked by several former members of the Reagan Administration, including Deputy Assistant of Defense Col. Ronald D. Ray and Col. Robert Bowman (the guy in charge of Star Wars). Nutcases? There’s also at least seven-hundred structural engineers who signed a petition calling for a new investigation.
Is your mind trying it’s best to refuse these basic inquiries, or are you yet going to realize that our government, including many elected officials, are not only capable of executing such treason, but willing to do so.
The question of motive should be rather obvious. Immediately following the attacks the Nation went in to a simultaneous mode of both hyper-patriotism, and hyper-imperialism…the former justifying the latter. Patriot Acts were rushed through congress - robbing us of our civil liberties, two wars were waged, and are still waging, which proved no result except the riddance of a tyrant once supported by the U.S. (that’s Saddam), not to mention a wide-scale use of torture. And all who questioned these actions were labeled as either “with the terrorists” or “un-American” or a good ‘ole fashioned traitor. Today, few people, on either side of the political spectrum, refute the fact that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction (or WMD if you will). A few quietly postulated justifications amongst themselves and their colleagues, but deep down they know that the people widely despised the atrocities in question.
And for good reason: they were lied to. Little Bush did exploit the attacks to further his own agenda. And that is not an isolated thought. Scott Ritter – former Weapons Inspector for the United Nations – said the exact same thing. These sentiments were also shared with Noam Chomsky, who, although did not believe in any “conspiracy theory” explained how Bush and his Administration used the attacks to facilitate a war – both with other Nations, and with its own people.
But instead of the conservative pundits abandoning their posts as watchdogs of the American responsibility of accepting what your government says, they suggested that we take Mr. Bush’s word – whose word has also proclaimed himself as wartime president – and support whatever was going to happen. Echo’s of “America at war” reached far and wide. Then, most people just simply accepted it.
For those of you still not able to put the pieces together – this is what Hitler did. Many people have wondered how a Nation full of noble citizens could allow Hitler to rise to power, impose a dictatorship, and systematically kill millions, have yet then to hear the reason why…well, its pretty simply actually: the people didn’t know it was happening. The takeover was swift, it was persuasive, and it reeked of patriotic pride. Is this phenomenon happening now? I believe it is. And I think we need to stop it, very fast.

So what then? What has happened in that time, when few knew what was going on, and now, when a much greater number of people are questioning, and protesting, for the real Truth of 9-11? On this day, a great number, I hope, are in the streets. They are handing out fliers, showing signs, and trying to wake the public up from its ignorant slumber. Are that many fellow Americans crazy? Is it wrong of them to engage in such activism? Or should all of us join in, and lend our support for this cause?
For myself, and my family, I believe we should. While many Truthers could be constituted as fanatics, as a whole, the Truth Movement has not yet become obsessed with the ideology it proclaims. In that sense, it has not yet caused violence, but instead opted for peace in the form of protest and information. It does not condemn others for thinking differently, but welcomes lively debate.
The most fortunate thing we can appreciate from the Movement is that it has grown solely from a group demanding answers of 9-11, to a Movement which has become much more cognizant of many political offences. From the recognition of the Federal Reserve as an illegal bank, owned by private bankers, printing the dollar with interest, and having little accountability, to the international war crime of supporting dictators around the globe, activists of all kinds are coming together to fight these insidious crimes. They are not wild-haired “conspiracies”, but instead they are notable on both sides of the congressional aisle. Republican congressman Ron Paul has been vehement in his pursuit of getting transparency in the Fed, while liberals of all kind scoff at the fact that presidents of all parties have embraced and funded murderous dictators all the way from the deserts of Saudi Arabia to the jungles of South America.
The issue of secret meetings is also far from the realm of conspiracy. Presidents and their administrations for years have attended the clandestine three-day meeting of the Bilderbergs. Here, under an oath of secrecy, our officials meet with the Elites of other Nations, and while policy is discussed – illegal under the Logan act – the corporate media refuses to even mention it. Odd, considering that anytime there’s an American Idol reunion the media hounds are all over it….
If anyone hopes for change in this world, it is time to come together. Dismiss the Truthers as you might, their movement, so far, is the only chance we have at getting our country back. It is time to put the political divides aside and stop fighting over frivolous issues which only further distract from more serious affairs.
We can promote a real change in this world that is both novel and inelaborate. There are several resolutions that I believe we can all agree on. First, I think we can all agree that we need much more transparency within our government. By this, I suggest that all elected officials constantly face a panel of civilian journalists and reporters, not press officials who read from a script. By this, we hold their feet to the fire and order (order is the proper word as our elected officials do work for us, and paid by our tax dollars) them to answer all of our inquiries. We should be able to ask questions regarding the attendance of the Bilderburg Group, and we should receive an answer at exactly the same time we receive proof of citizenship…just because we can.
We then should begin to repeal a great many of our laws, nobody likes them anyways. And in my opinion, which is founded in experience, we should start with the drug war. Not only is it destroying many lives and families here at home, it is a failure as far as it’s efficiency is concerned, not to mention it is creating monsters out of usually non-violent offenders by subjecting them to harsh prison sentences.
But out of those rudimentary measures, the number one thing I believe we should do is being drawing more towards an isolationist policy. It is not the job of the United States to police the world, and it is only fanning the flames of hatred across the globe. Even if you do agree with all the wars, the fact is: few others do. We support democracy in other Nations by supporting civilian uprisings, not by invading them.
These are rather conservative ideals. And I don’t think anyone would view them as radical. Please give this message a great deal of thought. Don’t shun those who are actively protesting governmental atrocities while you sit down at home, turn on the T.V., and refuse to listen to alternative claims. That is an immoral act.

INVESTIGATE IT FOR YOURSELF, AND FOR YOUR FAMILY!

I consider it a privilege that you have chosen my beloved Texas to be your home. God speed and may blessings be with you and your kin....and peace with those that didn't make it.

reply to post by bufordny



Well, today (9/11/2009) is my 50th birthday. I remember watching the horror of this day 8 years ago. I have not celebrated my birthday for 8 years because I remember watching 3000+ people die at the hands of Al-Queda.

My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who lost loved ones that day. My wish is that they have peace in their lives and in their hearts. I only want Bin Laden's head on a silver platter delivered to the White House with the media present to record the event or I want him captured or killed. That would make for the best birthday present ever.

Have a Great Day everyone !!!

My thoughts and prayers are with you and all the others that were touched by this senseless act.

God bless America.

I hope that the whole world remembers and that the truth will be revealed!

It was a real honour on this day to even read the words of a firefighter who was there. I greatly appreciate your post.

8 years ago on this day people went to work, as we all do, and no-one would ever think this was possible. These were not casualties of war, and it is not an image of a building falling. Please remeber that whatever happened innocent men, women, children, of many nationalities were murdered, and families were destroyed.

Im in Southern Ontario and when ill be telling my grandkids about the day i was in school and we heard the news, the world stopped. Its not my country but its my fellow citizens, it was people i see all the time, they were no different than any of us. We were all crushed on that, and this day, and hopefully today the world has no borders and we can all have a day together to remember.

To the OP, my heart goes out to you and to all of the families and victims. I pray that you live long enough for simple joys in life to blot out some of the pain that will never go away from today.

Much Love,
Ash

Most people I talk to remembers what they were doing on this exact day 8 years ago. Personally I took a nap after work, it was 15:00 here in Denmark when my mom called and said turn on the TV.

The same time here in Denmark as im writing this post.

While watching the event and for several days after I felt a deep sadness in my body, it was like I felt the whole world was feeling sad... I really think we are all connected.

3 vidows pushed for an official investigation, and they got the 9/11 commision report. Half the 9/11 commision members are saying the report is an outrage, 70% of the 3 widow's questions were never answered.

NIST gave us the explanation for the collapses only, but the computer model they made cant be examined by others, its under NDA. Engineers have asked to see it, or meet with NIST and talk it over. NIST refuses.

Even if NIST's theory of why the towers fell is right, there are still the 70% unanswered questions the 9/11 commisioners could not answer, because NORAD, CIA, FBI etc did not give them the answers! This is from the 9/11 commisioner's own mouth... 911summary.com

The media have always focused on the borderline conspiracy theories.

The media should focus on the unanswered questions.

This is a day to remember the victims, but also a day to not forget the questions.

[edit on 11-9-2009 by conar]

8 years. Wow. It has been so long but it seems like only yesterday.

If on 9/11 8 years ago you would ask me:

Q. Will there be another attack like 9/11 before Bush's term runs out?
A. For sure.

Q. Will Bush be reelected?
A. LOL well he was never elected in the first place so ... NO!

Q. Will our next President be named Barack Hussein Obama? Considering we are now at war with a guy named Hussein in Iraq?
A. Impossible!

Q. Will it be 8 years and more before any type of Memorial is built at ground Zero?
A. 8 years?! No way! They will have a memorial or Building rebuilt in 2 years just to show the terrorists you cant knock us down. We better or else we fail! EPIC FAIL.

Its amazing the way things turn out.

reply to post by Strype


My thoughts exactly...This anniversary is nothing 'special' for me..

It seems like a day never passes for me without thinking about 9-11-01 in some way or another.

Because for the past 8 years every day has just been a continuation of the actual event; bogus wars, patriot act, etc..

Until the real perpetrators of this treasonous act are finally brought to light, 9-11-01 will continue to shape our future..

With the new revelations that are starting to appear on msm, I think the truth about what really went down that day will be revealed
in the near future......(I'm hoping anyway)

PEACE and LOVE..

I lost something on that day, I have yet to define it, to name it. All I know is I still feel a black emptiness over that day and what has happened since.

That day 8 years ago is still so clear to me. I was sitting at work in the office I shared with 2 other guys. For a brief time it seemed like just another day, but then we found out about what was going on and everyone in the building just put work aside and were either glued to a television that had been set up in one of the conference rooms or trying to find news websites that weren't bogged down to the point that they weren't accessible. At lunch we decided to venture out and eat at a sports bar that has many large screen televisions mounted on a wall. By the time we left one of my coworkers, one of the best people I've ever worked with, was in tears. I think all of us were feeling very sad, but he couldn't keep his emotions back.

I spent the next few months with the television on when I was at home so I could watch how things unfolded as a result of that day. It took some time, but I eventually began to wonder about many aspects regarding how the WTC site was treated and the way the government reacted to it. In short, it was that day 8 years ago that opened my eyes to the fact that our government isn't the ruling body that they would like us to believe.

Not long ago I watched a video clip showing some guy out in the streets of a big city asking people if they knew which month and year that 9/11 took place. I couldn't believe how many didn't know. It was sickening. The way people can push such monumental events out of mind is startling, but I feel that it's an unfortunate product of our society. People don't want to concern themselves with reality as much as they should. It's much easier to sit back and get sucked into reality shows on TV, the latest celebrity gossip, and all sorts of other mind numbing rubbish that is thrown at us every day.

You'd think that after such a dramatic event as 9/11, people would have changed and become more passionate about meaningful parts of life. But as I sit here writing this I can help wondering...has anything even changed?

As long as we dwell on negative events in the past,our future will be impacted in a negative sense,the past means nothing.

Concentrate on what remains.

All of the legislation,the freedom stealing war on "Terror",etc...etc...
did nothing to make things better.

It has been eight long years,and a lot of people are still arguing and speculating on how all of this was allowed to happen.

How about concentrating on the future,a future not negatively effected by events like this one in the past.

Move on,nobody lives forever,death is a fact of life regardless of how one's death comes about.

Let's get unstuck,the families have all been compensated,or gotten over it,being reminded of it every year doesn't help,and never will.

I get so tired of reading about this long past stuff constantly.

I remember when the first plane hit. We all thought it was pilot error or something and then the 2nd plane hit and we knew it was more than that. I can still remember it like it was yesterday. I remember the worst part for me was watching the buildings fall with all those people inside. I remember how dumbfounded everyone was all day that day. No one knew what to do. I'm sure everyone here remembers the sick profiteering following.

Anyway, my heart goes out to all the victims of 9/11. God Bless!

I thank OP and everyone and anyone who did, has, or will sacrifice in order to help other victims of the attacks eight years ago.

I was fortunate to only be one of the millions of observers, safe at home, thousands of miles away from the attacks. I will never forget that day.

Speedy recovery/continued improvement to you, OP, and everyone else suffering.

reply to post by bufordny


Hi there,

I'm from across the pond and yes what happened that day will be remembered for a very long time i think... those families who lost someone close will be re-living the whole event again as i'm sure many do each day...

I really think the Conspirators should leave this day alone on the conspiracies and try another forum!!

Hope you manage to sort your health out and be well....

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


I can see what you are trying to say but some people will never forget that day!!

Plenty of lives were wrecked that day... especially those directly involved... there are children without fathers, children without Mothers, Wives without Husbands, Husbands without wives... do you expect these people to forget?

They rang three bells at 9:59 for the south tower "collapse".
May I recommend six bells to ring for the 6 seconds it took to fall down.
And a special core beam burial to forever hide the truth.