NASA and the Moon War: Say no to the bombing!

reply to post by weedwhacker

That shows that you do not read the links that are posted on all these threads.

Bad weedwhacker!

reply to post by ArMaP


I have a mind like a screen door.

I think it's all the neutrino emissions from HAARP.

Got me some ole' gaps in me neurons, I does.

Selahobed: "Long time ago, in a galaxy far away" is actually appropriate here when it comes to where the "Moon Men" came from. People of Earth came from Mars via the Moon, and in times long before that they came to Mars from elsewhere. The Human race seem to be the most widely spread race of creatures in this and other galaxies. Human life did not start on Earth, but it survived here from elsewhere. This is the reason you can find links to the Humans of Earth in the Pleiades - or rather representations of Pleiades - here on Earth and on Mars. For some examples on this see thehiddenrecords.com...

People whom seriously think layouts in ancient ruins such as this is a coincidence certainly do not know enough about "coincidences". A "coincidence" like that would be hard enough to happen in one single site, here we have evidence of it not only on several sites on Earth, but on Mars as well.

-Maggador

reply to post by IX-777

People of Earth came from Mars via the Moon, and in times long before that they came to Mars from elsewhere.

ORLY???

Did these 'people' from Mars also bring all of the flora and fauna on Earth with them, too? Because, a lot of biologists, biochemists, anthropologists, just to mention three scientific disciplines (well, ALL will, except maybe one or two, those who believe in "Inteligent Design" or some such rot) are going to tell you it's rubbish.

IF we did not evolve, over the course of hundreds of millions of years, on THIS planet, then our DNA, amino acids, all the building blocks that make up our cells, our life, would be entirely different from all the other life on this planet.

We share over 98% of our chromosomes with the Chimpanzee, for chrissakes!!! The evidence of a distant, common ancestor is overwhelming, and completely trashes this fantasy you've been reading.

Ya know, if it looks like SF and sounds like SF, it's SF.

Check out a movie, "Mission to Mars", from a few years ago. THAT is where this idea probably came from.

The mere fact that this thread title mentions a "Bomb" on the Moon in the first place, invalidates all the rest as nonsense, in the second place.

...well, I believe the moon is ours (humans) we found it circling our planet and that makes it ours. If we want to shoot projectiles at it we should. If something is there....its their fault.

Weedwhacker: You are working with assumptions again. Did you ever consider that all life shares DNA for the simple reason that it all comes from a common source? Perhaps you will be stunned the day "aliens" are discovered and it turns out the DNA between humans and "them" are closer than that of humans and chimps. The same goes for other lifeforms in the universe and their common DNA.

If you look at the DNA, since you mention it, you will also find that Humans have interesting "junk genes" as well as a large amount of genes that do not have any required predecessors on the evolutionary tree indicating it was introduced rather quickly and not through long time evolution. So the DNA is in fact different, approximately the mentioned genes are 65% the difference between humans and chimps.

This is also the reason the "missing link" will never be found as there is none to be found. Humans did not evolve through a natural process. Humans are not truly "Earthlings" nor are they "aliens" but a hybrid mix between both.

-Maggador

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For those whom want some more evidence on Moon civilization and NASA coverup I recommend watching "MOON RISING" at youtube as well as the other links I have previously posted around in this thread. This also shows further evidence on NASA image tampering.

-Maggador

reply to post by IX-777

If you look at the DNA, since you mention it, you will also find that Humans have interesting "junk genes" as well as a large amount of genes that do not have any required predecessors on the evolutionary tree indicating it was introduced rather quickly and not through long time evolution.

At the risk of staying off-topic, that is a load of hoakum.

The concept of Human genome having been "engineered" is ludricous when examined correctly.

Or, whoever is behind the "engineering" should go back for additional training, because they sure did a lousy job.

Leaving us with vestigal tails (the coccyx). Appendix. "Wisdom" teeth. The list is large....

The following may also be of some interest:

In 1979, Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA," he revealed, "but nobody has talked about it until now."

Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident. "According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public-because NASA censored it. "

According to another Soviet scientist, Dr. Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the lunar surface.

Maurice Chatelain also confirmed that Apollo 11's radio transmissions were interrupted on several occasions in order to hide the news from the public. Before dismissing Chatelain's sensational claims, it is worth noting his impressive background in the aerospace industry and space program. His first job after moving from France was as an electronics engineer with Convair, specializing in telecommunications, telemetry, and radar. In 1959 he was in charge of an electromagnetic research group, developing new radar and telecommunications systems for Ryan. One of his eleven patents was an automatic flights to the Moon. Later, at North American Aviation, Chatelain was offered the job of designing and building the Apollo communications and data-processing systems.

Chatelain claims that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin-flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

Source

Weedwhacker: It is equally ludicrous to use an argument like you just did to try debunk such "engineering". Probably it will not be too long until Earth scientist are able to do similar things with animals - unless they already can which would not surprise me. Things like widsom teeth, appendix and so on which you mention is just a silly argument against my claim, and certainly far from any evidence at all that such engineering did not happen. It would basically be as silly as me saying the same things are evidence FOR genetical engineering.

Some links on gene anomalies in Humans:
Mysterious genes found in 70% of Humans

Doctor says 223 human genes are of extraterestrial origin

Scientific facts and theories on the 223 "mystery genes"

I am presenting a couple scientific papers above which confirms the mysterious genes found in human genome as well as some more down to earth theories on what can have caused this - but mind that those theories are only theories and obviously scientists working on this will look for an earthly origin and explain it that way rather than speculating in off-world origin.

Of course there are scientists whom have been thinking about the off-world possibility but these are not exactly covered much by mainstream news etc, but there is at least one example in the above links.

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"Maurice Chatelain" has been debunked years ago. You have been duped!!!

The following is from a forum, posted back in 2002:

I googled a little bit (thanks his name is not John Smith or something like that) and found:

"when James Oberg contacted Chatelain's employers he learned that Chatelain was no longer employed by them when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. If he was no longer an employee of a NASA sub-contractor then he could not have been present in any so-called "secret room" where he could overhear the confidential communications of the astronauts on the lunar surface. He was a low-level engineer who worked for a NASA sub-contractor who built the Apollo communications systems. His status as the "head of communications" (as some UFOlogists have claimed), is entirely false."

at ronrecord.com...

Maybe JimO will comment on this.

Harald


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According to our best information, Chatelain had little if anything to do with Apollo, and worked only as a low-level technicial for a subcontractor prior to operational missions. However, he has made quite a name as a UFO writer and speaker. His followers, including "Cosmic" Dave Cosnette, have even elevated him to "Chief of Communications" at NASA.

There is considerable evidence that he would have had no first-hand experience with any communications on any Apollo mission.

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There is no "bombing" of the Moon for any "war". It is a scientific endeavor.

Suggesting otherwise doesn't make it true.

Charlatans and scoundrels post bad, misleading information and outright lies on the Internet all the time. This is no exception.

Same with the biology nonsense. IF there was actually anything valid in the Human genome argument, it would have been discovered many years ago. It's not the sort of thing that would have been kept secret, not at all.

I suppose you did not read the papers I just linked to, the human genome research discovery is not a secret, in fact, as I stated, they are trying to find out what it means and are applying "rational theories" to explain it. It is well-known and not any "conspiracy theory" but a fact.

When it comes to Chatelain I do not know if he was actually there or not as I certainly was not so I cant say. Have no idea about what status he had when he worked there either, or if the information you supplied about him is true or not for that matter.

There are many other witnesses than him though, and lots of photographical evidence. Would you care explaining why hundreds of seemingly stable people whom have worked in NASA and other parts of the governments want to risk their reputations and jobs by claiming their involvment and knowledge of extraterrestrial life, artificial structures on Moon and Mars etc, and even wanting to testify about these things in court, if there is nothing to their claims?

And as mentioned, there is enough photographical evidence alone to strongly indicate unnatural structures on both Mars and the Moon.

Originally posted by IX-777
And as mentioned, there is enough photographical evidence alone to strongly indicate unnatural structures on both Mars and the Moon.

If you are not going to discuss the photos please stop talking about them, that is almost the same as saying "I have proof by don't want to talk about it".

The photos are out there publicly available for everyone. I have provided several links already to both websites and videos presenting some of these.

-Maggador

reply to post by IX-777

Yes, but I don't think it's a little like baiting people with all the talk about the photos and saying that you will not discuss them.

I say this because I never saw any sign of image tampering in science photos from NASA (or ESA), and if they do it we cannot see them, I am not a professional and I changed a photo that was not detectable as altered when I posted some months ago, nobody could say what I had changed.

But if you stop talking about the photos I will stop too.

I never said I do not want to discuss the photos, in fact I welcome you to check through all the links I have posted, look at the photos, watch the videos, and then come back and explain to me how these things can be explained as NOT having anything to do with image tampering, hoaxing, artificial strcutures etc to do. In other words, how could these things shown and mentioned on the said websites and videos be "natural formations" and "image faults" - or whatever explanations you have for them.

Also, as I have requested and asked 2-3 times already now, I would like to hear some probable explanations on why hundreds of government employees, including NASA people, have come forth claiming they know NASA hoaxes images because they have been part of it themselves, they have been involved with alien technology, and so on, even wanting to testify in court about this? We are talking about people whom risk their reputations and jobs with something like that. In addition main stream news do not even mention a huge event like that, even though something like that should have been top news around the world. At least in my opinion - even if they are all lying it certainly would be worthy mentioning.

-Maggador

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Well I go with the blatantly obvious explanation: NASA have lied, lied, and lied some more. On one of those sites it said "a liar must have a good memory". I say a GOOD liar must have a good memory. Nasa's compound lies don't even stack up. Im beginning to think they suck at lieing.

Thanks for those links IX. I was always a bit suspicious of those bull# artists, and it was good to find sources exposing them. Now do we really need to worry about them causing damage to aliens? Seriously, won't those aliens have some superior arse technology and laser the projectile to powder or something similar?

IX, I say NO to the moon bombing, but how is people saying "no" to it going to stop it? say NO to the USgovernment #ting all over your constitution. Say NO to an increasingly totalitarian government. They will just keep doing it anyway...

Got some more links for me to read? thx Ink.

Inkrin: Indeed, they have lied and people have fallen for it. But in my opinion the evidence is very clear, and people should be able to use a little bit of logic to see through the lies by studying something as simple as the photos released from Mars and the Moon etc.

Now it is probably a bit too late to try stop NASA from their current ongoing mission, but perhaps we can manage to do something about future missions - and indeed the whole government needs to be changed including every branch of it, the corruptions runs very wide and deep.

When it comes to the Moon people I am not very sure about their technology, but I know they have been chasing away Earthlings before and hopefully they are many enough and with good enough technology to stop anything that should be stopped.

If you want some more evidence on NASA tampering with the images check www.goroadachi.com... - here you have some very good examples on how NASA changes the colors of the images to hide details. Among other things, green and blue will show up as simply brown in their official images hiding a large amount of details. Personally I have "fixed" several NASA images in a similar way as described on the website, and that have given me much better details and correct colors. No doubt the Martian sky is blue, and there certainly are more colors than the general red and brown we usually see.

A longer article on Mars and the colors can be found here (several pages)
www.enterprisemission.com...

Also, some people are not aware of it but the Rovers on Mars actually do have color filter cameras, and several different types of filters, they can take both color photos, infrared photos and black / white photos. The quality of the images themselves should be an indicator that something fishy is going on - we are still presented with images that are almost worthless when it comes to quality and detail, not much better than what they provided 30-40 years ago with the first missions to both the Moon and Mars. Even in todays modern world 90% of the images made public are black and white - something which is rather ludicrous considering the technology we have now compared to 40 years ago.

This also goes for the very first moon missions, what we have there is some rather incredible awful quality videos in black and white even though they did have color video cameras back then - video footage from within the space craft is in great quality and color. There is no reason the quality of the video from the Moon should be that bad. Except if it was to hide something.

-Maggador

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reply to post by IX-777


All of your posts, and insinuations about NASA show nothing more than a lack of knowledge and understanding about the true technical aspects of how the images are produced, and processed.

Your link to the dudes talking about the various Mars images also draw incorrect assumptions. They seem to purposefully mislead, as well, in order to make their "claims". But, enough about them, don't wish to provide them with additional web 'hits'...

Your comments here:

This also goes for the very first moon missions, what we have there is some rather incredible awful quality videos in black and white even though they did have color video cameras back then - video footage from within the space craft is in great quality and color.

...show the lack of understanding I mentioned above.

First, your phrase "the very first moon missions". I assume you mean the MANNED Apollo missions? Let's clear up some facts.

The video cameras, the color video cameras, used inside the spacecraft were NOT the same devices that were specifically designed to be used OUTSIDE, on the Lunar surface.

Second, Apollo 11's video camera was a fairly last-minute afterthought. The idea of having a camera mounted in the MESA compartment, able to be triggered by the Astronaut (Armstrong) on the Lander's 'Porch', top of the ladder on the LM leg, so that the descent down the ladder and step on the Moon could be shown live. NOTE, the word LIVE!!! This is 1969, man! Just do some research, look at the SIZE of the cameras used back then, for good quality video reproduction!!!

They did not have the room, nor the weight allowances, so they were forced to use what would fit, small and light enough to do the job.

Third, for Apollo 12, a better quality color video camera designed for the EVA was developed, and it flew with them. Unfortunately, Alan Bean accidentally ruined it, while adjusting it in the Lunar regolith, on its mount. He left the lens cap off, and while wiggling it, pointed it at the Sun, which burned out the CCD.

Apollo 13? We all know about that.

REST of the four missions all have great color video footage.

Back to Apollo 11, there was a 16mm film camera mounted inside the LM, pointing out one of the Pilot's windows, which was aimed where they planted the flag. This stuff is available for viewing, if you took the time to search for it.

Really, what's happening here is fantasy...people start these websites using intentionally misleading information, just to promote their pet "theories", and people fall for it, by not doing more thorough research into what really happened.

BTW, most images today, and many then (not sure when it began) are processed through JPL, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. ALSO, a huge amount of today's image work is done at the ASU, Arizona State University Astronomy department. I suppose you'll have to include all of the independent professors, post-grads and students there, too, as "in on it"???

Everybody loves a 'conspiracy', even where none exist.

Now, you started with the term "Moon War" in your title. VERY misleading, dontcha think? People who aren't savvy to all the details, and there's a lot of technical stuff that makes eyes glaze over, so they don't always search deeper, but accept at face value what they're fed.

Thus, the disinfo train goes 'round and 'round.......

reply to post by IX-777

Also, some people are not aware of it but the Rovers on Mars actually do have color filter cameras, and several different types of filters, they can take both color photos, infrared photos and black / white photos.

ArMaP knows a lot more about the technical aspects of this, and from what little I know, especially from reading some of his posts, what you THINK there about cameras is incorrect.

People nowadays confuse film, as in B/W versus color films, and how they work, compared to electronic imaging tools.

Perhaps some looking into the science behind how your typical digital camera made by Sony actually works will help in your understanding.