Video: Bush and Reagan school addresses were very partisan compared to Obama school speech

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Our district is and there putting all the kids in the auditorium for it, anyone who does not wish to participate gets to go to a study hall, so i guess our next recourse is finding a definitive way of knowing just how many schools are going to be showing it?

I must say it seems the school districts are leaving it up to individual schools and to the teachers and from all the districts ive seen no one has explicitly refused or accepted showing the speech

i think a clear sign that schools dont want to deal with the "angry" parents .. hell i wouldnt either ... some parents get real protective over their children

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reply to post by HunkaHunka


Well I just bringing up the fact that you seem convinced that these other presidents utilized the school system to broadcast to a captive audience when in fact the means to do so did not even exist in the time frame you give us.

You say you saw the challenger in school along with other shuttle launches as well as these speechs.

I say you are just exaggerated in defense of your leader not unlike the necon dogs that would always come to the defense of their leader. The players change but the game remains the same.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Exactly. How is the author of the article comparing something that hasn't happened yet?

From article in OP:

In my earlier writings discussing the nationwide school addresses of Presidents George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan it turns out I was wrong on one point. It turns out in watchings some clips of the two addresses they were actually very partisan. This new fact makes the conservative hypocrisy toward the neutral Obama school speech even more glaring.

Sounds more like socialist dribble, or Ryan Witt has a time machine and has already seen the future Obama speech. I put my money on dribble.

Everyone running around in a panic because they don't want their kids to hear Obama's speech must have time machines as well.

response to HunkaHunka
"So you seem to LOVE obama."


HunkaHunka's reply.
"What? I don't think you see my point. What I love is intellectual honesty. And when people are outraged over this without condemning Bush and Reagan at the same time it reeks of partisan hypocrisy."


haha, riiight, you do realize we can click your user name to view every post you have put up...

your one of the biggest Obama supporters on the site, and i am guessing a die hard democrat.

just another pawn falling for the partisan trap.

please open your eyes, you may see past the left-right paradigm and realize you've been fooled for most your life.

edited quotes,

[edit on 9/6/2009 by Alaskan Man]

reply to post by Angus123


Well when you see the video of celebrities pledging service to obama, advocating stem cell research and to be fair some real values... i mean what says there wont be a convoluted agenda in the mix

and yes i know obama didnt make that video but parents wont make that distinction, Obama dug his own hole on this one by surrounding himself with controversy...With healthcare reform with the people he appoints, i mean he created the controversy these people are just trying to sheild their children from it ... and your going to call them Hypocrites? sounds pretty partisan imo

my bad you didnt call neone a hypocrite i got that from someones previous post but the point stands
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Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

And I suppose you teachers asked you to write Regan?

Actually, yes we were asked to write to Reagan in my government class, after watching one of his very partisan speeches, and later to Bush Sr.

And yes, I remember watching live shuttle launches myself, the biggest memory being the challenger. The whole school was watching, everyone in their own classes, for those who did not have televisions, they squeezed into classrooms that did. When the shuttle blew up, everyone was quiet for about twenty seconds, then the whole school erupted into a cacophony of screams and cries. Before the end of the day the school was inundated with counselors for those students who wanted them.

I remember the look on my teachers face, and thought that he was going to pass out.

No, I don't remember what channel we watched, but I do remember that it was not always the same depending on what we were watching.

I don't remember that every speech we watched were live, some were, some were not. Quite often in government class we would watch speeches, asked many of the same questions that it seems Obama wants children to be asked, and of course many others. Then we would write letters as well have have week long discussions sometimes depending on the subject. Though let's make it clear, we learned about many other government officials as well, not just the presidents.

Oh, and we were made to read books about Reagan and Bush Sr. as well. Guess what? We also read books on other presidents.

Our letters would then be critiqued in class, and rewritten. My instructors were very clear in that we had to back up our opinions, why we had the ones we did. I guess I was lucky, in that in my government classes, the instructors really tried to teach us to think and become involved.

It would at times get very intense, but what I do remember, is that even when we did not have the same opinions as others in the class, we still got along. We were taught how to disagree without hating each other for it.

Maybe that is what is wrong with some of you, sadly maybe you never had the opportunity in school for such a class.

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

and isnt obamas address going to be in every school in the nation?

Sigh

Again, ONLY THE SCHOOLS THAT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE.

Just like when I was in school, mine chose to participate. Seems others did not.

Get a grip!

Originally posted by finemanm
Neither Bush nor Regan is President today. If they were and if they wanted to make a speech to my child I would be just as pissed.

I have to say "no you would not".

Chances are you would cheer and support a republican president talking to your children.

My husband said the same thing you are saying, so I asked him, when Bush gave speeches that our daughter watched in school did you care one wit? He thought about it and sheepishly said "uhm no".

Harm None
Peace

A Democratic Republic is one in which all parts support each other for the good of the Republic and that which it stands for.

I read that in your sig....

just so you know, we are NOT a democratic republic

we are a constitutional republic..

big difference

reply to post by amazed


So what happens when the kids Democrat parents dont want him seeing the address? I dont want any president addressing my child while in school ... If someone is going to tell my kid to stay in school and do their homework its going to be me

and anyways ... This is politically motivated , Its always a pr stunt no matter what ... democrat or republican it never changes its always for some kind of gain

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reply to post by titorite


Well I just bringing up the fact that you seem convinced that these other presidents utilized the school system to broadcast to a captive audience when in fact the means to do so did not even exist in the time frame you give us.

What do you mean by this statement? The "means to did not even exist in the time frame"?
What are you talking about? When I was a kid we watched ALL the Mercury and Gemini launches, JFK assasination coverage live and assorted closed circuit programs all the time. We watched live TV and closed circuit programs all the time. please explain! HUH?

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Angus123

 

Well when you see the video of celebrities pledging service to obama, advocating stem cell research and to be fair some real values... i mean what says there wont be a convoluted agenda in the mix

and yes i know obama didnt make that video but parents wont make that distinction, Obama dug his own hole on this one by surrounding himself with controversy...With healthcare reform with the people he appoints, i mean he created the controversy these people are just trying to sheild their children from it ... and your going to call them Hypocrites? sounds pretty partisan imo

my bad you didnt call neone a hypocrite i got that from someones previous post but the point stands
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No, you are correct, I can be very partisan. However my support for the president not withstanding, I have been very disappointed in his performance. He hasn't lived up to his promises of transparency and has in fact continued many of Bush's ill-begotten claims of secrecy and dare I say abuses of power.

But most of the criticisms from the right have been so far removed from reality it borders on insane.

Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Well I just bringing up the fact that you seem convinced that these other presidents utilized the school system to broadcast to a captive audience when in fact the means to do so did not even exist in the time frame you give us.

Once again, here are the quotes from the newspapers at the time discussing the fact that it was indeed broadcast on CNN at noon, and schools were encouraged to carry it, and many of them in fact did.

volokh.com...

On WESTLAW, I looked up other news stories about the speech. It was reported as 10 minutes in some reports and 12 minutes in others. It was carried live on CNN, PBS, and [the NBC] and Mutual radio [networks]. The Secretary of Education sent a letter urging schools to have their students watch, but I didn’t find any evidence of how many schools followed that recommendation. And most striking: Bush laid out goals — to increase the graduation rate, improve student competency and better prepare students for entering school — and said, "Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one. Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals."

Here are some excerpts:

10/1/91 USA TODAY

President Bush takes to the airwaves today to promote his education goals, a day after the Education Department released a bleak report on students' achievement. Bush is scheduled to make a noontime speech to be carried live by CNN, PBS and Mutual Radio. He'll speak from Alice Deal Junior High School, in Washington's affluent suburb of Chevy Chase, Md.

10/2/91 Cincinnati Post

Bush told students to write him to let him know how they were doing in school and to suggest ways to help achieve his national education goals — to increase the graduation rate, improve student competency and better prepare students for entering school.

10/4/91 Washington Times

Majority Leader Richard Gephardt said Wednesday the Education Department was financing "paid political advertising" by paying technical costs of broadcasting the president's 12-minute speech from Alice Deal Junior High School. . . .

Public Broadcasting Service and Cable News Network televised the speech live and Mutual Radio carried it on its network. Educators had been alerted by mail to encourage classroom viewing.

10/2/91 Baltimore Sun

Yesterday was one of those occasions White House image-makers love.

They gave their boss the hated task of reading a prepared speech from TelePrompTers but put him into one of his favorite places to do it — a small classroom.

Walking casually around the room as he spoke, President Bush gently exhorted 27 rapt eighth-graders — and pupils watching his televised performance throughout the nation — to take control of their own destinies by making sure they get the most out of school.

The effect was part bully pulpit, part campaign ad. Mr. Bush was simultaneously employing the power of his office in the drive to improve American education and making another bid to focus voter attention on what he considers the centerpiece of his domestic agenda.

"I'm asking you to put two and two together," Mr. Bush told Cynthia Mosteller's history class at Alice Deal Junior High School in Northwest Washington. "Make the connection between the homework you do tonight, the tests you take tomorrow, and where you'll be five, 15, even 50 years from now. . . . You're in control." . . .

In one of the few ad-libbed lines of his 10-minute appearance, the president added: "I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid."

Mr. Bush's speech was part of a broader effort to promote the goals of America 2000, a program that calls for vast improvements in student learning levels by the end of the century. With little new money to put toward the cause, the Bush administration has focused on encouraging students, parents and communities to pressure their schools to meet higher standards.

You say you saw the challenger in school along with other shuttle launches as well as these speechs.

Yes, the day the challenger blew up I was in shock as I sat there in school and watched it... we all were.

I say you are just exaggerated in defense of your leader not unlike the necon dogs that would always come to the defense of their leader. The players change but the game remains the same.

Whatever man...

Originally posted by Alaskan Man
response to HunkaHunka
"So you seem to LOVE obama."


HunkaHunka's reply.
"What? I don't think you see my point. What I love is intellectual honesty. And when people are outraged over this without condemning Bush and Reagan at the same time it reeks of partisan hypocrisy."


haha, riiight, you do realize we can click your user name to view every post you have put up...

your one of the biggest Obama supporters on the site, and i am guessing a die hard democrat.

I have never voted democrat before the last election. Shows how good your ability to read someone is. I was a Republican until W ran for office, at that point I voted for Nader in 2000. In 2004 I watched both conventions and when Obama gave his speech, I said right then, "That is the person I want to run for office... I don't care what party he runs as I will vote for him."

In 2004 I did not vote for Kerry, and I did not vote for Bush.

In 2008, I voted for a Democrat for the first time in my life. Not because I am a democrat, I'm not... far from it.

just another pawn falling for the partisan trap.

Hardly... I think for myself. Do you find it so difficult to believe that someone who thinks for themselves can actually come to a different conclusion than you?

please open your eyes, you may see past the left-right paradigm and realize you've been fooled for most your life.

My fellow ATS'r we are all fooled every day we open our eyes and believe we have a self.


But you know what... this isn't about me... it's not about you, it's not about the grand illusion that reality ultimately is. It's about the hypocrisy and ad hominem attacks from folks like Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck. They are quick to chastise their opponent for for the very same things that their venerated leaders did.



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reply to post by Angus123


just to let ya know bud i was hung up on another poster about the partisan and hypocracy thing .. you never said anything of the like i just wanted that to be clear

heh i guess in my head i was responding to two people but i think ill just retract the last sentence of that paragraph seeing as its pretty unnecessary and i didnt mean to get you confused my bad

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Well Hunka decry what George H.W. Bush, Sr. said and did in his speech all you want, but if you ask me your furthering his cause.

I had the worst dream last night that George H.W. Bush, Sr. was trying to get me to agree to come to work for him, had to suffer through a dinner with him at a gentlemen's club in Houston (I hate going to Texas) and his secretaries pestered me all throughout the dream.

I blame you for this dream Hunka!

Very clever appearing to be a Democratic Disnformation Agent while in reality it's obvious you are a Republican, New World Order disinformation agent!

Hunka works for George H. W. Bush, Sr.!



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reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


That's hilarious!

Somehow I feel no guilt for your dream!

I had one where my neighbors yard was full of groundhog holes, and their front porch stoop had a 2 story drop off to a driveway below...

I said " might want to put a railing there!"

Are you my neighbor?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Sure deflect and avoid having to admitt that you posted those links to force everyone to watch the George H.W. Bush, Sr. and Regan speaches again!

I am on to your game now Hunka, by pretending to be so liberal you are actually only doing it to encourage people to turn conservative republican!
All the while, bombarding them with Republican propoganda you claim you don't approve of!

Busted.

Shouldn't you be checking on your neighbors porch buddy? That could be a prophetic dream warning you of imminent danger, if I were you I would have the neighbors check out their porch!

It was a truly awful dream Hunka, that grading feminine voice, that 1950's haircut, the Brooks Brothers Suit. Awful I tell you awful!

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Angus123

 

just to let ya know bud i was hung up on another poster about the partisan and hypocracy thing .. you never said anything of the like i just wanted that to be clear

heh i guess in my head i was responding to two people but i think ill just retract the last sentence of that paragraph seeing as its pretty unnecessary and i didnt mean to get you confused my bad

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No offense taken

Great thread Hunka.

As a former professional drinker, I've been involved in 12 step programs for the past 10 years. During that time I have NEVER witnessed the kind of denial I see surrounding this issue. By virtue of your facts and proof being dismissed and ignored, it is obvious you have stuck a nerve.

I suspect the Republicans miss the "America They Grew Up In" (Code speak = segregated)

They miss the 3 R's.

Not: Readin', Rightin', Rithmetic. More like Racism, Rhetoric and Ridicule.

Keep up the fine work!

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This is sort of off the subject but I just want to let everyone know that earlier today Fox News said that the Presidents speech to the school kids will be on cable channel c- span Tuesday.

so I read the first page of this drivel and realized, that this is the basic Obama apologist garbage we're used to seeing. It does nothing to address the real issues here and picks a strawman argument to try to make everything look better. Spindoctoring as usual.

See, here' sthe thing, the other speeches may have been more partisan or whatever, but they weren't near as manipulative and indoctrinating as this Obama farce is. ... and that is the real issue. The issue not addressed.