A conversation between Obama and Aliens

Originally posted by admriker444
there are plenty of resources to end poverty and suffering in our time. we could build homes from syntheticc diamonds to last forever.

That's a horrible idea. Diamonds are flammable. Diamonds ARE NOT forever. If you have a house fire, your gold rings will melt down and can be recovered but diamonds will go up in smoke. This was just talked about in a Popular Science magazine actually.



But your story was great -- so true.

reply to post by sol34now


glad to see some agree with me.

im hopeful that eventually people will stop looking to an election to fix the world's troubles. I know a lot of people thought maybe Obama would fix things but he is no different than Bush, Clinton, Bush SR, etc.

The deck is stacked in the elite's favor. They own most of the world's resources. They own most of the land. They run most of the schools. They control all major media. And they have the power to create unlimited wealth by simply turning on a printing machine.

These men choose who will be presented to us to vote for. The choice of course is an illusion as both candidates are bought and paid for. Both candidates went to an elite run college whcih taught them globalist ideology.

And if somehow a miracle happens and an outside candidate got elected, he would stand little chance of changing things. The entire system is designed to supress dissent.

You cant prevent men from being corrupted. You cant get an honest man elected to change things. and corporations will continue to find ways to destroy the planet because they were out to make money.

It always surprises me that the public is actually shocked when some corporate crime is discovered. A company who's entire focus is to make money should surprise us when they dump toxic waste into our drinking water ? we should be surprised when a company sells vaccines to africa knowing that they are tainted with the aids virus ?

These corporations are doing what the system intended for them to do.

and of course the biggest money-maker in the history of the planet is war. as long as money has been around, so has making war. Because of the system of money and forced scarcity, mankind finds himself constantly fighting over resources.

The dirty little secret they dont want us to know is that there is plenty of resources to go around.

They purposely pump less oil so prices rise. nations start hoarding oil by storing it in reserve tanks and this further drives up demand and prices. The colleges and think tanks write reports about the world running out of oil. The media reports to the public. And when a nation goes to war with another country that happens to have oil we all cover our heads in the sand. People are dying but hey we need the oil right ?

food is another example of artificial scarcity. govt pays farmers to grow things like cotton or tobaco to lessen the supply. and if that doesnt work, they pay farmers to literally burn their crops.

There is such an abundance of food because nature has this great system of seeding. Produce a crop and that crops gives back seeds which produces more crops. Its an infinite system to supply us with food forever and its cheap.

So in steps in govt and corporations to make food scarce. They make farmers buy modified seeds which dont reproduce more seeds. these seeds require lots of pesticides. These seeds dont produce a large crop. Oh and theyre very expensive.

And if that isnt enough to break a farmer, the govt simply raises property taxes. soon the farmer sells his land to a large corporation. Less land is used for farms as another multiplex or walmart is built on rich farmland.

Most farmland is now in the hands of a very few giant corporations. Their sole purpose is profit, not to feed the world. as abundance means less profit, its their goal to restrict food to drive up prices.

I can go on and on. Every single market works this way. and it will only get worse as competition slowly dies out. as david rockefeller once said "competition is a sin"

prices will continue to go up. supply will continue to go down. people's instincts to hoard will increase. its an endless cycle and it will never end unless we do one thing....

get rid of money and share our resources.

I must admit I havent had the time to read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been discussed.
Just to play devils advocate somewhat how do you think an alien race would combat over population? Because if they can do it without suffering then that would be worth knowing.

Originally posted by Ebaneeza
I must admit I havent had the time to read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been discussed.
Just to play devils advocate somewhat how do you think an alien race would combat over population? Because if they can do it without suffering then that would be worth knowing.

one of the chief reasons people have children is money.

goverments pay benefits to women with children. The more kids, the larger the paycheck.

Farmers have lots of kids because thats more hands to work the fields.

And of course the lack of money to pay for birth control options means lots more children born.

Take money out of the equation and birth rates on earth would plummet.

As far as what Glk Glk and his society does, no idea but i would think population isnt much of an issue when they have technology to colonize other planets.

we have the technology to colonize our moon and mars so population isnt a problem really for us. we dont even utilize the earth to full capacity (it just feels that way because of artificial scarcity).

I read somewhere that we could take every single human on this planet and give them 1/4 acre of land and it wouldnt fill up Australia.

population isnt the problem, the monetary system is

I love how people think that money is the "Root of all Evil"

Money is not the problem...Greed is, as well as Lust, Envy, Sloth, Pride, Anger and Gluttony.

Take away money and another form of currency will take it's place. Kill the guy that invented currency and somebody else comes up with it in a slightly different form....Lots of good that did and you just became a murderer, Good Call

The fact is we are all sinners and have been since the beginning of man and civilization...until we can become a sinless society (never going to happen) you will have societal problems, inequality, racism, bigotry, elitism, etc.

Just the way it is folks...sorry to break it to you on a UFO/Aliens forum

[edit on 6-9-2009 by 750Aero]

Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by daniel_g

 

China is not doing worse than the states... .where do you get your info - Fox News?

And your comedy is probably exactly what a lot of Americans thinks of China - provided they can even find it on the map.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Copernicus]

Oh no, I'm very proud to say that my source is not Fox news, in fact, here you go:
www.china.org.cn...

Mind linking to a source that proves chinese quality of life is better than the US? No? I didn't think so. Yes, they are improving, but mind researching why they are improving?

reply to post by 750Aero


Religion does nothing to help the human race evolve either.

Sorry, guy.

Originally posted by d2che

Religion does nothing to help the human race evolve either.

Sorry, guy.

I never said it did....I just pointed out what the real problem was and it isn't money...It's Humans

Originally posted by admriker444

 

solution - each person gets a home. each town gets a distribution center where we get whatever we need.


we would probably need only 10% of the population to work to support the whole of humanity.

And who decides what we need? If I want a 50" inch plasma TV, will they just give it to me? Or does someone decide I don't need it, so I can't have it. Well, I want it, and am willing to work to get it. But what could I do, and for whom would I do it for, in order to earn my TV? It takes hundreds of people, nay, thousands, to ultimately provide me with that TV. Should I work for thousands of people doing odd jobs for years and years, or just use an economy based on currency that eventually filters to those thousands of people in order to buy one? Which seems more practical?

If we were all willing to simply live with absolute basics, then it would work.

Originally posted by admriker444

 

You cant prevent men from being corrupted.

This one sentence, which I agree with, spells the death knell for your vision of a moneyless utopia. As great as what you are advocating is, the problem isn't money, or the economic system. Money and the system we are under are mere constructs that have materialized from our collective minds. Blaming money for our problems, or even the desire to make money, is putting the cart before the horse. The real problem, the very core, is greed. And we cannot be free from a certain level of selfishness. Not ever. It is human. We will always be corruptible, and will always want more than we have.

i think the real argument should what the OP would say differently,
and if you think your conversation with an alien being would be different than a politician, explain what makes you a better or more compassionate human being then the president [or any other politician]

[edit on 7-9-2009 by deadlysponge]

Originally posted by admriker444
Alien Glk Glk - and what happens to a human that doesnt have this currency ?

President Obama - well he will likely be in a prison. he wont own a home and probably will be very unhealthy because he cant afford to buy nutrient rich foods and have medical care.

Any objectivity you might have had ended, right there.

No star, no flag - no point. At all.

funny conversation i like the idea

Heh, I'm surprised Glk Glk didn't respond to the request for weapons with "Yes, we have weapons and we can certainly help with your little population problem -- it shouldn't violate our ban on murdering sentient creatures given your responses"

Originally posted by deadlysponge
i think the real argument should what the OP would say differently,
and if you think your conversation with an alien being would be different than a politician, explain what makes you a better or more compassionate human being then the president [or any other politician]

[edit on 7-9-2009 by deadlysponge]

what would i say differently ?

Well for starters I wouldnt ask for weapons.

I would ask that Glk Glk give the technology of medical cures and free energy to the masses. If he handed it over to a govt agency it likely would end up on a shelf somewhere. Id print the technical manuals on the internet to ensure it doesnt get supressed.

Oh and Id ask Glk Glk to send a few thousand more ships in to disarm all the world's nukes (theyve shown they can do this). Id bet the rothschilds would rather have a nuclear war to destroy everything rather than give us our freedom.

I never said it did....I just pointed out what the real problem was and it isn't money...It's Humans

Exactly. Our problem is that we are still very primitive in thinking. If you really think about it, our countries are like huge tribes. We fight and bicker with each other in this never-ending quest for power. We may think we are intelligent, but we're not.
A massive change such as actual free countries, ends to currency, alternative fuel sources, etc. wont happen in our lifetime or even our grandchildren's lifetime.... As history shows, our race make advancements very slowly. So something like that wouldn't happen for at least another couple thousand years. If we even make it that far without killing each other.
The only alternative for that to happen quicker is with some outside help to get a better understanding of how we should act.

This proves alot of my point. America is judged and ran by our government, we as citizens of this so called amazing county must oblige but these laws. Without laws there will be no order correct? wrong over 100 percent, i doubt an average American would go around doing drugs, etc just because there's no law against it. We have technology to create a alternative fuel such as a cheap solar panel around 20 dollars, but we don't do it because it goes back to our government all in all we have no say, it's tough to admit. We are judged on our government.

Hey atleast under Obama's plan even the aliens can be covered. Wait will they be considered illegal immigrants?..lol

reply to post by The_Truth818


and thats why the elite wont allow disclosure in my op. because once that cat is out of the bag questions will follow.

the elite dont want us to find out that there are other options besides a monetary system. Many times ive seen others discussing disclosure or alien stuff and its been mentioned that money is a foreign concept to aliens (cliff stone, the disclosure project, and others).

i believe that aliens have such technology that scarcity was solved long ago for them. i wouldnt be surprised if they had replicator technology like on star trek.

Can you imagine if we had replicator devices ? with one word you could replicate anything.

It would be like that episode where Star Trek Voyager picked up alien Neelix. They give him a room to clean up. He starts replicating flasks and tubs full of water because it is such a rare commodity to him. Soon though he realizes how silly it is to stockpile that much because he can make more anytime he pleases.

This would be us. The first few humans would replicate gold, diamonds, and jewels. After a while it would dawn on them that its pointless. and money would go the way of the dinosaur.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by admriker444

 

thats because in Glk's society technology solves all problems. they use it to share all resources and create abundance.

Sorry, I dont mean to sound rude but its 'Glk Glk', not Glk.

I totally agree with this, clearly thereis more to life than working to get currency, spend currency etc. But I did try and think about this the other day, before currency there was still currency, just in the form of direct barter - this goes back to the beginning of man kind.

So in Glk Glks world money does exist, currency does exist because someone had to build the spaceship/craft that he came to Earth on, and back on his planet, someone had to have built his house that he lives in. Now, everyone there must have to eat, but the space ship builder does not have enough time to build spaceships and grow his own food, so someonbe else grows food, so he must get the food from someone else, AKA trading. The ship builder trades his free time to construct ships, the farmer trades his time to grow food. Its an age old system, that life cannot live without.

If we all downed our tools tomorrow and stopped working, and said lets put an end to currency. Then everythhing around us will begin to crumble and break, because no one is working to fix or build things. No one is growing food to sell to others. And immediately people will begin to trade goods for goods in payment, just like it has always been since the beginning of man, and how it will always be, in 1 million years, in 1 billion years.

A system without barter is just not possible if we want to evolve, it would de-evolve.

You cant just expect humanity to work like that. If tomorrow theres no money, no jobs everything gets reset. Within minutes you would be purchasing and selling goods. When you go to build your first house, and so is the guy next door, you have no nails, he has loads of nails, he has no wood, you have loads of wood. You trade with each other. Its the fact of life.

Just my thoughts.