Concluding that 9/11 is a Government Conspiracy is Grotesque

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by hisshadow

 

Was that Dan Rather the civil engineer or Dan Rather the physicist? Maybe it was Dan Rather the news reader who has no clue about anything technical. What did Ed Asner think? Surely he's an authority on such matters.

you're obviously either a troll, an agent, in denial, or haven't done much research have you?... Oh yeah I forgot we can't rule out brainwashing either.

It doesn't take much more than the obvious visual evidence, common sense, and basic research to see the towers, especially 7, was a CD.

But I suppose the difference between someone in denial and someone that has an open mind and isn't afraid to consider what they saw, may not have been what it seemed on 9/11.

Originally posted by Pathos
I have answered all of your questions in prior pages. Please feel free to shift through them.

After reading through all of the theories created to debunk the authenticity of 9/11, I have concluded that many of you are cynical and hollow. What many of you (not all of you) people have successfully done is turn 9/11 into a mini Holocaust. As I said in a previous post, I am always skeptical about our government. However, 9/11 is a very genuine experience, which did not involve any government involvement. You guys have a very-very low and hollow perspective of the events that went down. Out of all the events to rip apart, 9/11 should have been left alone. I am very surprise that some of you people consider yourselves a human being.

Most of the comments in this thread are based upon feeling betrayed. Since many people feel betrayed by Bush entering into Iraq, you managed to use it to taint the authenticity of 9/11. I find that to be a sick perspective.

After looking at the Pentagon theory closely, I found out that it was first theorized by the French government. I had to question all of the 9/11 theorists, and I could only find quacks and sickos. Congrats on buying into garbage planted by individuals who want to get rich. Always check your sources for authenticity. It would be pretty pathetic if someone in prison was feeding you guys this garbage while sitting in a cell.

I am finished with listening to these revolting 9/11 theories. I am very disgusted in knowing some of you people exist.

Have a nice day. See you around the forums. Case closed by request.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Pathos]

you obviously haven't done any of the research you claim to have done nor have you even presented a single shred of counter-evidence to any of the evidence you claim is false.

After reading through this thread and all your replies, its more than obvious you fit in all 4 of the categories suggested and that any rational, logical or intelligent debate on this subject, is a waste of time.

I truly feel sorry for you and you give new meaning to the word grotesque.

reply to post by CaptainObviousNIN11


Ive had extensive demolitions training and id venture to say the stuff you call research wouldn't hold up under scrutiny.Id be happy to over look any evidence you have showing there was a demolition,But let me warn you a demolition happens before a collapse not during once the collapse is in progress no need for explosives gravity is more than capable of destroying a building.In other words don't try to show compressive force as proof of a blast and for god sakes don't call them squibs. Just so you know a squib is used to ignite explosives you've seen them in action shots on TV shows there used to fake gunfire on a wall.There the equivalent of an m80 usefull do blow up a toilet but not building.

Originally posted by dragonridr
Ive had extensive demolitions training

So in your expert opinion, what caused WTC 7 to fall as it did considering it was NOT hit by a plane nor were there enough fires to melt the steel frame of that building... expecially considering no other fire in history has ever melted a steel core causing a collapse

Here are the fires minutes before the collapse



HOW DID WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 FALL?




[edit on 6-9-2009 by zorgon]

reply to post by Pathos

I am finished with listening to these revolting 9/11 theories. I am very disgusted in knowing some of you people exist.

Have a nice day. See you around the forums. Case closed by request.

I thought you were finish. I think the way you talk to people on your thread and how you refer people who know the OS is a lie, is disgusting!
If you are finished listening to these revolting 9/11 theories, then why are you still posting?
Oh, I know, you just like ridiculing and attacking people for their beliefs and you have no interest into discussing the FACTS that prove the OS is a lie.

For other uses, see Disinformation (disambiguation).

Disinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. It is synonymous with and sometimes called Black propaganda. It may include the distribution of forged documents, manuscripts, and photographs, or spreading malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.

en.wikipedia.org...

So stop spreading disinformation!
You are out numbered and out reason.

reply to post by impressme


Goes the same for me, go over the evidence presented. if you dont see a fallacy in the OS then you sir, need (snipping) glasses!

reply to post by zorgon


Okay, now find the photos that show the other side of the building. You know, the side that had large chunks of it missing from WTC1 clobbering it?

reply to post by Pathos


Dude wake up and smell the coffee!

In 1945 there was a B25 bomber flyinmng through NY in heavy cloud, the pilot lost his bearings, came down out of the cloud all most hitting a building, he swerved to avoid that one but ended up ploughing in to another. The Empire state building. This burnt for 4 hours on four floors, but no collapse!

With this in mind they designed the world trade centre towers to with stand multiple plane impacts from the biggest aircraft of the time. The Boeing 707.

I was once like yourself, when I was in the states I had some kids come up to me at a party and ask me if I believed the governments story of that day. I said I did (much to the relief of others around me) , and asked them to stop chatting bollox. I kick myself for that, because now i'm awake and i've connected the dots.

This is what done it for me, watch and learn- www.youtube.com...

Your having all this trouble getting your head round this!... What would you say if I said that the human race was genetically engineered and taught by aliens. - www.youtube.com...

Also- www.youtube.com... , really cool film!!

Research - masonic symbology and how it attacks us on a spiritual level(humans are spiritual beings having a solid experience), rothschilds/rockefellars, project mocking bird and how the media is used against us, how religion as we know it (had rammed down our throats over the centuries) is absolute bollox, ancient technology. There is sooooo much.
In my opinion it's not a case of were we engineered by aliens, I think it's a case of, by what race and what for?

When dealing with religion, i've been saying for years that humans are capable of so much more, we just don't realise it(because we've been dumbed down and got complacent about life) then I read this- www.egyptcx.netfirms.com...

If this has been lied about, what else has?- www.godlikeproductions.com...

I've always thought religion is bollox, since i read the bible when I was little, it just left me thinking, the bible has just as many holes in it as the official 9/11 story. Bit like a sieve. You get the idea.

So I didn't waste putting my energy in to it. Since i've put all the dots together and realised a few things, I can honestly say I feel something is there, I feel closer. Is it God, or is it Mother Nature? If I was going to worship anything it'd be Mother Nature! But i'm not going to, i'm going to put my energy in to faith and belief in myself and find christ consiousness, the christ within us all. And help others.
The only good thing to the religion we've had put on us is the 10 commandments is the only thing worth keeping!

I found this group on facebook that has some pretty cool photos with good write ups and religious art depicting ufo stuff, have a look- www.facebook.com...

Oh yeah, was hitler related to the rothschilds?

this is what caused the recession in the states- www.washingtonpost.com...

In the UK it was the boardroom at northern rock being full of freemasons.

Also i've seen on bbc news 24 at about 3 in the morn our politicians laying down the foundation of the nwo, when I went and looked for it on iplayer, it had been edited out!

From what I heard, we are proper rubber ducked!!! WAKE UP.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


okay, now you explain why most of the windows are still intact in a building allegedly "fully involved in fire" (where you can barely see any flame).
have a look at the madrid tower for an example of a building "fully involved in fire".
and, now explain how this building goes into absolute freefall for 2.3 seconds, and then slows to slightly less than the acceleration of gravity for the rest, with all four corners and sides descending at a uniform rate.
explain how every column in the building fails at the exact same moment, and the exact same rate.
explain how emergency workers were telling everyone to get back because the building was "about to blow up".

actually, nevermind. i know the only thing you can explain is the debunkers meme of the day.
just keep spinning your web of deceit, then. carry on.

reply to post by WHOS READY


Dude, do you realize that the difference between a B-25 hitting a building and a 767 hitting a building is comparing a skateboard stubbing your toe and a tractor trailer running you over? Not to mention that the Empire State Building was a much stronger design, interior load bearing walls, the masonry as opposed to the Towers which, other than the outer walls and the inner core had no walls similar to what is in the ESB.

And yes, once again the claim that the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a 707. Engineers claim stuff all the time and all the time we find out that their designs arent quite as robust as they think. Or shall we start discussing other engineering failures?

reply to post by billybob


Except all the windows arent intact. Watch some of the videos taken during the day, make sure you have the volume on. You will hear windows in WTC7 shattering.

have a look at the madrid tower for an example of a building "fully involved in fire".

Apples to oranges. The Madrid Tower had neither an airplane crash into it nor a building collapse against it. And, if I recall correctly, the Madrid Tower did have a partial collapse.....

explain how every column in the building fails at the exact same moment, and the exact same rate.

They didnt. Watch the videos. The penthouses collapse first, indicating that the building was suffering major failures in advance of the rest of the building coming down. The total collapse of WTC7 took a heck of a lot longer than 2.3 seconds.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

i didn't say the total collapse took 2 seconds, i said it was in freefall (accelerating at 9.8 ft/s squared) for over two seconds. the NIST was FORCED to admit this by a highschool physics teacher.
in order for it to be in freefall for over two seconds, there has to be zero resistance from below, which means that all external columns failed at the exact same time.

the point of the madrid tower is to see what a tower fully involved in fire looks like, not to compare their structural resistance to fire.
the wtc7 was NOT even CLOSE to fully involved in fire.


[edit on 6-9-2009 by billybob]

Originally posted by Pathos
Serious: What would be gained from killing thousands upon thousands of people?

Maya432,
My words do not need translation.

[edit on 4-9-2009 by Pathos]

Scaring, fear mongering to get us into a war with Iraq, which in turn made lots of money for Halliburton, Rumsfeld, Blackwater, oil company cpo's.
What was gained by invading Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11, 4000 more of our people died. Thousands of innocent Iraqi's died for what? For the lies our administration told us.
I thought Mr. Bush was going to "get Bin Laden?" Guess invading Iraq was the real plan.
Why would Bush and Cheny not want to have an investigation of 9/11 and not want to cooperate fully with the investigation? Our President had to have Cheny with him to be interviewed "in private". If they had nothing to do with it , why all the secrecy?
How was the most powerful military fortress attacked by a civilian plane, piloted, by an amateur civilian foreigner?

I feel sick, depressed, and disusted too, from what these people in power did. Bush, should never been President to begin with. I don't believe he was elected once let alone twice, legitimately.

I will never "get over it"

reply to post by billybob


The failure started where the trusses over the ConEd substation were damaged. It radiated upward and outward from there, resulting in the collapse that we saw. Choose to accept the truth or choose not to.

reply to post by hypattia

Scaring, fear mongering to get us into a war with Iraq, which in turn made lots of money for Halliburton, Rumsfeld, Blackwater, oil company cpo's.

What was gained by invading Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11, 4000 more of our people died. Thousands of innocent Iraqi's died for what? For the lies our administration told us.
I thought Mr. Bush was going to "get Bin Laden?" Guess invading Iraq was the real plan.
Why would Bush and Cheny not want to have an investigation of 9/11 and not want to cooperate fully with the investigation? Our President had to have Cheny with him to be interviewed "in private". If they had nothing to do with it , why all the secrecy?
How was the most powerful military fortress attacked by a civilian plane, piloted, by an amateur civilian foreigner?

More ignorance. Or goldfish memory, not sure exactly what it is.

How quickly people have forgotten the following....

Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there.

We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

Those words were spoken on Sept 20, 2001 to a Joint Session of Congress. Saddam Hussein supported and gave safe haven to terrorists, including terrorists affiliated with Al Qaeda. He continued to do so after 9/11, thinking that he could play George Bush like he had played Bill Clinton. He underestimated that and got squished like the bug he was.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Okay, now find the photos that show the other side of the building. You know, the side that had large chunks of it missing from WTC1 clobbering it?

No problem Watch the video it shows the back side as well...

Hahaha... Wow! I get blamed for running with the masses, but I was told that I am out numbered. It never stopped me before.

I guess Jesus and I have something in common.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by hypattia
Scaring, fear mongering to get us into a war with Iraq,

We are NOT at war with Iraq... we are not there to fight Iraqi

It's called "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

We are there to LIBERATE Iraq from oppression... we did that... they are grateful

We are STILL THERE because internal 'baddies' are taking advantage so we have to PROTECT Iraq (and its treasures) from these 'baddies' or there will be another Saddam to take his place

In the meantime we will also protect all that oil

If it's so hard to get it straight about this 'war' in Iraq... how can we expect anyone to get it straight who did what on 911?

The sad thing is that even if stage two happens and there is a nuke dropped on a city in the US... it still won't be enough to wake up the sleeping giant... he has been doped up far too long to stir...

IT HAS BECOME APPARENT THAT THIS THREADS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BASH THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT AND DISCOURAGE ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS THE OS!

after reading this WHOLE thread, following it, posting in it, i have noticed a few people end up like this image... trying to explain the evidence to DEAF ears.

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Originally posted by zorgon
The sad thing is that even if stage two happens and there is a nuke dropped on a city in the US... it still won't be enough to wake up the sleeping giant... he has been doped up far too long to stir...

*Looks out window*
Wow! Stage 2?

Talk about a Paranoid Schizophrenic. Do you have a small aluminum cap as well? Don't forget to check for ninjas at night. You never know where they are lurking.

ugie1028,
I technically got off that train a while back. Once everyone started on the schizo trip to never-land, I had to get off the topic for my sanity.

9/11 government conspiracy? Only in their minds.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Pathos]