Fuzzy Math: Why Swine Flu Vaccines Don’t Add Up

reply to post by GigaloCool


I haven't read anything about a mark that it will leave, however, I have read a few things that have indicated that this may be a way of placing the RFID chip in people.

I don't know for sure how concrete that information is, but from what I understand of everything I have been reading and viewing lately, at the least this chip will be a great way to monitor people. I saw one video (I can't remember the name of it right off the top of my head...sorry) that said that this chip was programed so that any money we make gets electronically filed onto that chip and that it could be scanned when those who bare the chip are making purchases.

If that is the case, I'm not sure that a "mark" in the literal sence would be necessary at that point. It sounds to me like that chip would be the mark.

reply to post by Funshinez


I have the whole article saved on my computer, and those lines that you quoted are a part of the article itself. Like I said I can send it to you if you like. I copy/pasted it off the news site I found it on before I saw the post here. While we are at it I can also send you the one where it does say that these vaccinations will be made mandatory.

reply to post by psychekitty


Here is the chip info you were looking for.

Microchip implants ready for use with swine flu vaccine!!!

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily






A Florida-based company that boasts selling the world's first and only federally approved radio microchip for implanting in humans is now turning its development branch toward "emergency preparedness," hoping to produce an implant that can automatically detect in its host's bloodstream the presence of swine flu or other viruses deemed a "bio-threat."

VeriChip Corporation currently sells a small, under-the-skin Radio Frequency Identification capsule, or RFID, that patients can opt to have implanted, containing a number computer-linked to their medical records, enabling doctors with a special reader to access the information even if the patient is unconscious or unidentified. The company boasts its microchip, roughly the size of a grain of rice, is the only such implant approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

But VeriChip has also turned its attention to other uses for the technology, including microchips that be used to tag and log human remains after a disaster and implants the company hopes will be able to warn if their host is infected with the H1N1 swine flu virus, the H5N1 bird flu virus or other pandemic agents deemed to be a "bio-threat."

VeriChip is working with a Minnesota company, Receptors LLC, to develop the virus-detection technology.

"As we continue to build on our partnership with Receptors, which started with the development of a glucose-sensing RFID implantable microchip, we are moving beyond patient identification to sensors that can detect and identify illnesses and viruses such as influenza," said Scott R. Silverman, chairman of VeriChip, in a statement. "This is an exciting next step for the future of our healthcare division."

According to a joint white paper released earlier this year by both companies called "An Integrated Sensor System for the Detection of Bio-Threats from Pandemics to Emerging Diseases to Bio-Terrorism," the research's goal is to transform existing glucose-detection technology into pinpointing viruses instead, then couple it with an "in vivo" – meaning implanted inside a living organism – microchip that can alert others of the virus' presence.

The ultimate goal is to develop an implant that can also diagnose which virus is infecting the host.

VeriChip has also announced earlier this month additional forays into emergency preparedness through its VeriTrace system.

According to a statement, the company sold a VeriTrace system, including 1,000 RFID microchips, to Kentucky's Green River District Health Department "for disaster preparedness and emergency management needs."

The company explains that VeriTrace, a separate system from its virus detection or patient records technology, was created in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, where it was used by the Federal Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team. The system includes the microchips, a Bluetooth handheld reader, a customized camera that receives both RFID scanned data and GPS data wirelessly and a web-based database for storing information and images captured during emergency response operations.

The microchips are implanted in human remains following a disaster or, according to one report from the Katrina catastrophe, duct-taped to bones, in order to maintain detailed records, particularly in events that result in hundreds or thousands of fatalities.

"This database ensures the precise collection, storage and inventory of all data and images related to remains and the associated evidentiary items," the statement boasts. "This also allows the recreation of an accurate and complete reconstruction of a disaster setting, crime scene or similar setting where recreation is necessary."

There it is.

Originally posted by psychekitty
reply to post by Funshinez

 

I have the whole article saved on my computer, and those lines that you quoted are a part of the article itself. Like I said I can send it to you if you like. I copy/pasted it off the news site I found it on before I saw the post here. While we are at it I can also send you the one where it does say that these vaccinations will be made mandatory.

I don't really care who wrote the article, or that the government is apparently trying to make the vaccine mandatory, none of that is relevant to my posts. I specifically posted about the logic of the hypothetical scenario proposed and the math used to support it.

Oh and as to wether i belive the CDC.

One of the ten CDC meetings being held around the USA asking for the public's input on the "swine flu" vaccine issue took place in the surreally bizarre architecture of the Spokane County Pubic Health Building in Washington State.

This is where we two from Seattle reported for the CDC's"Public Engagement" Forum on Saturday, August 29, at 9:00 AM.

However, we soon realised that, in spite of all the fanfare, our opportunity to raise questions about the toxic jab and forced vaccinations would be severely restricted by subtle and not so subtle methods.

Upon signing in and joining our assigned groups, it became apparent that the CDC was using the Delta Technique pseudemocratic group process for mind control developed in the Soviet Union during the latter part of the 20th century:

1) No one was allowed consistent access to the microphones except CDC "medical experts" and Keystone (Cops) Events coordination contractors;

2) There was virtually no time allowed for participants to confer with each other, even at lunch, which was spent working in small groups;

3) Dissenters were separated from the larger group and subjected to constant surveillance/lectures from CDC "medical experts" circulating between the small groups;

4) All questions were framed to conform to the CDC agenda of legitimizing their vaccine pogrom;

5) I was told at the outset that I would not be permitted to hand out my subversive literature to anyone at the conference because it would be violating "social etiquette" (?!).

It soon became evident that six out of eight members of my own small group were health freedom activists, and the other two women, one a nurse, were receptive to our ideas. We were called, synchronistically, Group No. 6, apparently in honor of the freedom-loving rebel "Prisoner No. 6" in Patrick McGoohan's classic BBC television series, The Prisoner!

When the CDC "medical experts" found this out, their Keystone Cops told us that we would be separated from the rest of the group during the small group sessions and banished to the chaotic, noisy outer lobby, where they obviously thought it would be harder for us to focus and carry on audible dissenting dialogue. They also assigned us a loud, voluble, control-oriented female facilitator seemingly hostile to our views.

The CDC began the event with a suitable dog-and-pony show that featured, among other nuggets of fools' gold, a half-hour propaganda video with a numbingly wooden female CDC physician; a CDC "communications specialist": a noticeably blonde young woman, who could not accurately read her cue cards; and a local female public health official/physician who told us that "the government intends take care of (us)", whereupon I broke into resounding laughter, pounded my fist on the table and exclaimed, "You sure as hell do!", occasioning further mirth in many of those assembled. This did not include, however, the CDC handlers or Keystone Cops, who looked visibly agitated.

The opening festivities also featured another CDC official/physician/older white male authority figure who informed us with a straight face that mercury has not been found to be toxic when added to vaccines as a preservative, to which I retorted, "That's a lie!", causing further murmuring throughout the audience of approximately one hundred participants.

As the small group sessions bagan, Group No. 6 moved was banished into the lobby's outer darkness, where there was soon weeping and gnashing of teeth. This did not, however, come from Group No. 6, but from the CDC "medical experts" and Keysone Cops assigned to constantly surveille/double-team us as we debated them during the small group session to put them repeatedly in rapid retreat.

I had memorized all of the pertinent facts, dates and names involved in the CDC's Simpsonwood Conference in Norcross, GA in June 2000, wherein 52 officials/
representatives of the CDC, WHO, IOM and pharmaceutical cartels conspired as to how they could most effectively suppress all of the numerous devastating reports implicating vaccines in epidemics of all kinds, particularly autism in children.

I kept coolly pulling up fact after fact that they could neither refute nor respond to without inciminating themselves. Karen, the libertarian rancher, played dumb like a fox and kept acting like she was confused, asking the same unanswered questions over and over again with theme and variations, while Larry and Danny kept bringing up the evidence of criminal intent against Baxter from Jane's court case, which they continued to ignore at their imperious peril.

Meanwhile, the CDC's supposedly bright idea of isolating us in the lobby had badly backfired: everybody and their brother and sister was walking by to and from the restrooms and to lunch, lingering to listen as we cut apart our controllers in the ongoing debate that raged throughout the two-hour small group period!

They heard me clearly ask how, in a tax payer-financed public event taking place in a tax payer-financed public building, the CDC controllers and their Keystone Cops could justify violating my First Amendment right to distribute public information about vaccinations. They then also heard the CDC controllers quickly back off from this position, telling me I could distribute my subversive literature as long as I personally passed it out, rather than leaving it out on a table, which I immediately proceeded to do when we rejoined the larger group.

Moreover, it was becoming apparent that our initially hostile facilitator was beginning to take up our side in the way she was recording our opinions to report back during the plenary session later in the afternoon!

During the report-back portion of the final plenary, our facilitator did indeed do an excellent job sympathetically announcing our opposition to vaccines, as well as to the CDC's attempts to manipulate group process and the framing of questions at this forum!

This was followed by the CDC attempting to distract us their latest miniaturized computer toys: playing card-sized voting keypads, with which we were to answer their narrowly framed questions using a process of faux-populist run-off rather than binary type of voting on deliberately narrowly-framed questions. During this vote, Group No. 6 laughed, cheered and high-fived with delight as we watched those holding the position of "no vaccines at all" mount from 20% to 26% to 29% to 32% to 36% -- all to the obvious dismay of our CDC/Keystone Cop controllers!

After this auspicious US government-sponsored event concluded, I was surrounded by approximately 20 healthcare freedom activists from this forum, who invited our two-person Seattle delegation out to coffee at a nearby Perkins Pancake House, where, after pushing four large tables together, we organized a EFV Network for Washington State during an impromptu two-hour meeting!

This was all the more remarkable, as the vast majority of those present were not independent green progressive esoteric Christians like our two-person Seattle delegation, but libertarian/traditionally conservative pentecostal Christians/Ron Paul for President supporters with whom we shared an overriding common belief in human freedom! Also remarkable was the fact that our waitress also requested some of our subversive literature before we all adjourned to go our separate ways early on that gloriously sunny Saturday evening!

reply to post by Red Dawn 09


yeah, I would say that pretty well covers it. Thanks for being so quick on posting that up!

I've said it before; I'll say it again. - It's all about the Benjamins.

Since 9/11, the who's who in this country (probably others, as well) have cleaned up quite well.

-oil
-auto
-banking
-war (contracts - think Halliburton)
-pharma

Billions on top of billions have been handed out to these institutions, and they're lining up to clean us out.
And if they have all the $ in their corner, what purpose does the middle and lower class serve, in their vision?

reply to post by orderedchaos


And every time you say it my friend, another person wakes up to this fact and so on and so forth.

reply to post by orderedchaos


I'm sure that depends on what part of the middle and lower class you are referring to. If by middle/lower class you mean the sheeple that will follow blindly what ever orders they are given out by these people, then it's simple. They stay the middle/lower class that pays their taxes compliantly and keeps their heads low like the good little slaves they have allowed themselves to become.

As for those of us who stand up against them and their BS...That's the frighteningly grey area. It could be that we are just the ones they will continue to use for as long as they can as "examples of dissention". Which then turns to target practice most likely. Since we can't be controlled, then we are the lucky ones that (if we can't wake enough people up) get to set an expample of what happens if you don't eat your chemically altered food and bleat "obaaaaaaaaama" mindlessly with the crowd.

reply to post by Red Dawn 09


S+F for a great factual post.

There's no way I'm getting the vaccine, not after all the bad(substantiated) things I read about it on ATS. I'll rely on my immune system.

You`re writing as though deaths are the only cost to a national viral pandemic; they`re not. There are actual tangible costs associated with complications resulting from influenza strains which place a huge burden on our healthcare system. The group that is most susceptible to these predominately chronic respiratory diseases are the elderly. The flu vaccine does a fairly effective job at reducing the number of hospitalizations and complications resulting from the infection. If you don`t want a bunch of old people suckling at the tit of America`s medicare system, which will drain millions upon millions for years to come, the vaccine is probably a good start.

Another obvious adverse effect resulting in a monetary loss for the country would be the extra sick days taken as a result of a more severe bout of influenza. The vaccine doesn`t only protect against death, nor does it guarantee that the person vaccinated will not contract the virus; it may not be a perfect match. If it does not protect the person from contracting it, the match is typically close enough to greatly reduce the effect of the virus. A pandemic of this (possible) magnitude can result in billions lost to a countries bottom line (GDP).

Anyways, there are other costs...

And the 1% figure your giving for deaths is quite low... proportionately so to the abysmal vaccination rate. Higher vaccination rate would mean fewer deaths, lower infection rate, and quite possibly make financial sense as well.

Let's cut to the chase and get to the heart of the matter.

Who exactly is "Big Pharma"?

Follow the downline: who has built the biggest stock portfolios on the pharmaceutical industry?

Historically, who started and owned the hospitals?

Who is really hiding behind all the corporate umbrellas?

Haven't religion and medicine always been linked?

reply to post by GorehoundLarry
It would be ironic. But what would be even more ironic would be if the vaccine, say the last injection, made the flu worse, thus reducing the world population, as outlined on the Georgia stones.

I, for one, will not be taking the vaccine. There is something funny about this whole shootin' match. I'm just not convinced everything is on the up and up. A lot of the nurses I work with feel the same way, and most of them have said they will say "no" to the swine flu vaccine. They may take the seasonal vaccine. Most of them are still not sure.

swine flu smells to high heaven.....i see it a potential deflection technique which will be used to divert the public anger toward when the economic recovery falls on it's face.....people with a grasp of economics realize things are very bad and all the spin is just that.

could be a good opportunity for govt's addicted to kicking the can down the road...as the road ends

how easily could the media exploit say 1000 H1N1 deaths....i can see the headlines now "pandemic" "out break" i can see their perception filters trying to compare this with 1918......and talking about the "scenario's that could unfold should this or that mutate"

they will blame swine flu for a economy going from bad to worse....

4t'h Q earnings estimates predict a upswing in earnings....not just the "less bad news we have rallied on".........consumer's are not getting loans /credit ........either are small businesses....consumer's are re-trenching......not spending MORE......small businesses will be further bent over when commercial real estate loans sour and the SMALL banks go under.....they will see credit lines cut and unemployment will rise .......wether the U3 unemployment accurately depicts it or wether you will have to look at the U6 broader measure of unemloyment ....since more and more people who are out of work ...and benefits run out...still can't find jobs....but POOF they are no longer considered unemployed.....now they are not even considered in the "work force".....thus the unemployment numbers becomes even MORE of a LIE. Point being the 4'th Q earnings season is poised to reveal the emporer (recovery) is not wearing any clothes.. the big financial firms would have to triple down on FED handouts to prop up the stock market in the face of the poor earnings that will miss to the downside. PE ratio's would need to rise tremedously and the manipulation would be blatant. It may just be easier to blame everything on the swine flu and allow the markets to tank.......and perhaps let the big banks trading desks short the market.

Swine flu as a opp. to micro-chip the population now that idea has potential .....heck the paid off gov't could kill so many "birds" with this swine flu "stone".........that enriches big pharma pockets....deflects their failed economic policy's

reply to post by Red Dawn 09


The jails yes are overcrowded to the point of being dangerous, but they have been saving the Fema jails, pristine, empty,most of them, and ready for us.(except like Microsoft and Diebold voting machines they have a back door.



























Diebold

reply to post by Red Dawn 09


By back door, I mean the useless eaters check in but they don't check out