Thirteen Goals of a Witch

Originally posted by Hazelnut
reply to post by Dr Love

 

Agreed.

But that is where I got the list. I wonder how many religions have a list of goals? I have no idea.

The Ten Commandements?


I have been a witch for a couple of years not that long ago, it was an enlightening experience. Witchcraft is great for the good and responsible person but it becomes dangerous for the many weak witches who end up going dark.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Thanks for the encouragment. I'll give it some thought and see what I can come up with for an OP. I can't spend alot of time here anymore either. And the way so many threads wind up in a mud wrestling ring, haven't been wanting to lately. Was a joyful thing to find this thread after having been away for a couple of weeks! Have enjoyed chatting with you and KarlG and Jax too.

reply to post by TheOracle


I don't view the Ten Commandments as goals.......they are commandments: do or else. the 13 goals of a Witch are a more positive response to the 10. mpov anyway.

reply to post by brightlight


Hey - the entire post was what we call 'sarcasm'.

It was to make a point about stereotypes.

reply to post by brightlight


And again.

My original point was to make light of the absurdity of:

STEREOTYPES........

But please - my humble thanks for you pointing out my ignorance....

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Originally posted by missvicky
reply to post by TheOracle

 

I don't view the Ten Commandments as goals.......they are commandments: do or else. the 13 goals of a Witch are a more positive response to the 10. mpov anyway.

Oh I dont think it matters if there is a 'or else' in the equation
A goal is a fixed objective, whether it is personal or dictated, still a goal!
Are you a wiccan by the way?

reply to post by TheOracle

Well Yes i suppose your right. However I think it's more of a feeling about it maybe......and a dash of semantics: With a commandment, the goal is to not fail.....yes, a negative way of saying live up to the commandment. And it's external...given to someone by someone else. A goal is more like "this is my mission should I choose to accept it", and so an internal thing. Probably really hitting on the personal issue of control vs choice here that Wiccans/Pagans are so touchy about!

Yes.....I know Wicca gets alot of flack from all sides...but i love it. Me and my husband practice our own tradition.


(edited for clarity)

[edit on 2-9-2009 by missvicky]

reply to post by missvicky


That's the way to go!
What's great about witchcraft, it gives the knowledge and skills to self improvements. I am practicing my own way too.

I have to bung my two pence in here.

I have alot of respect for traditional witches, They were midwives, herbalists, village doctors for want of a better word.

Wicca is a load of grown ups wishing fairies were real.

Wiccans bleat on about magical power, but where is the evidence of such power?

There is no evidence, because there is no power, you can prove me wrong if you can, I'd love to be proved wrong.

Any "power" that does seem to be raised is, imo, from the abilities of the human mind, not from waving a little twig about with a crystal stuffed in the top!

If I put a post on this forum claiming to have ufo evidence, it would be ripped to shreds by other members, and quite rightly so, so as to get to the "truth".
But if people start going on about wicca, witchcraft, fairies etc, (all religions to be totally correct) of which there is no evidence, no one rips it to shreds?

Surely the ethos of this site should be "No Evidence, No Case"!!
That should apply to all topics on the site, including religion

The objective discussion of religion is a taboo, because it can not stand up to scientific, intelectual or rational debate.

IMO

Yeh, its kinda saddening to see kids grow up with Harry Potter and playfun with their toys. Magick to me is like a toy. When you wave your wand, you draw the symbol you created. When you speak incantations, your speaking the muddled sentence of your objective. Then you see your work, just as you had wanted it to, or not work and you see why, then laugh it off because in actual fact the spell you just made was exactly what you requested in your own language. There's a whole world out there to play with, but there's no money to be made out of it - besides silly movies like Harry Potter (OK. I love Harry Pot)

reply to post by die_another_day


LOL star for you!
Very good point.

reply to post by Jim Scott


pagans can't have churches because of christians. If a pagan built a temple today it would be burned down by Friday. Thanks to all the stereotyping.

And, we don't exactly go out knocking on doors and harrassing people. It is believed that you have to come find it, it doesn't come find you.

And monotheistic religions have been so ingrained in people's minds that they just don't know how to pursue another course.

There is a reason why witches has been haunted and in many ways misunderstood. This is the real thing and more or less the only things we need to know.

reply to post by Jim Scott


You can never have the pagan thread without the Christians frantically throwing a bible at you.

We all know about the bible, I used to be a very devout methodist.


you know how many coven leaders used to be priests?

reply to post by A Fortiori


Very well put and something that this website needs more of. For the most part religions teach forgiveness, patience, peace and love. Most wars and death are caused through evil people manipulating this to their own ends. I'm tired of this judgemental 'you're not my religion so you're wrong' crap. I have my religion and i genuinely dont care what religion you have, wicca, witchcraft, muslim, jew, whatever. as long we can all get along, party, love and enjoy the universe.

hating on folks is never the answer.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by Hazelnut

I'm shocked that you haven't realize that, basically, witches ARE hags, people living in the woods and Luciferians. If you truly believe that going sky-clad is a way of being more connected to "nature," then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

This is not "good old advice." This is a list of glittering generalities which does not help anyone achieve anything. I'm sure you could find a verse from the Bible, the Torah, and the Qur'an for each and every one of those "goals." The difference between Wicca and the "mainstream religions" is that mainstream religions don't teach you to worship a tree, or a pile of dirt, or a pool of scum water.

Notice how Wicca changes itself to fit with pop culture. With the feminist movement there's more emphasis on the "Goddess," while people don't realize that the "Goddess" and nature worship really represent the NWO.

And I like how you characterize people who disagree with you as violent and hateful.

I have no idea where you are coming from with this post but I have dealt with people like you many times in the past. Your deliberate misinterpretation is mere agitation with no real substance to the claims you make.

Since I made it perfectly clear on the first page of this thread that I READ AND STUDIED the bible thoroughly in my late teens and early twenties. I am probably more familiar with the discrepancies and flat-out mistakes in the Bible than you are "friend".

I have searched far and wide, suffered great losses that would have shriveled the soul of such as yourself, yet I survived. Not only survived, I thrived despite the cruel, evil, hatred spewed from the hearts of men and women such as yourself.

Do not come to me with your hatred and nasty twisted thoughts attempting to insult and ridicule the most honorable path a human can take. Responsibility for one's life, actions, thoughts, words and desires is the goal of witches. What is yours?

Originally posted by missvicky
Some of you were sharing books to read awhile back in the thread. There is a book that I would suggest to everyone: Knights Templar Revisited. Traces Christianity back to the ancient Egyptian religion and shows that it really could not have come from the Jewish religion. And it's backed up with
a bibliography you won't believe. I beleive the scapegoat mentioned earlier is a Jewish practice and not a Christian one.

Another important book is Triumph of the Moon.....wonderful history of neo paganism and addresses Gardner in a very different light. Written by a Rhodes scholar whose name I cannot remember now.

I have been delighted in finding so many witches on ATS! Merry meet to you all! I wonder about a thread on sharing traditions, practices, beliefs of the wheel, circle, elements, etc?

I would be delighted if someone wants to start a thread on sharing traditions, practices, beliefs of the wheel, circle, elements, and herbals!

Thanks for recommending those books, I'll have to get them now. The Knights Templar fascinate me. As far as published works by recent authors, some I take with a grain of salt, and others touch me deeply. I use this practice as a way of honing my own internal wisdom through intuition. I've learned through the years of experience that when I listen to my internal "voice", my life is much happier, runs smoother and provides happiness. Going against it results in pain one way or another.

reply to post by LoneGunMan

Jesus was a Witch and practiced the craft. In fact he was crucified for it. Why is it that only Jesus could perform "miracles" and for all others it is forbidden?

Its because the people that control us to this day did not want an empowered mankind because they cannot be controlled.

It is more complicated then that,You are only allowed a portion, imagination is limited, you are the sum of your experiences, imagine something no one before you has imagined.

Limitation have been set upon us, something else is really running the show, we only get a glimpse.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Yes they are labels, just words, points of contact, rituals, incantations, invocations, prayers, all the same, different label.

Curse tablets and binding spells
books.google.com... ms4&hl=en&ei=xZueSobbE87znQfemcSrDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

When do you think it changed from cursing to blessings and harm to no one?




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