Iran: N. Korea Weapons Deal a 'Zionist Conspiracy'

Iran: N. Korea Weapons Deal a 'Zionist Conspiracy'

www.themedialine.org

Reports of a ship seized in the UAE with North Korean Weapons heading for Iran are nothing but a Zionist conspiracy, Iran says.

A ship reportedly seized a few weeks ago by the United Arab Emirates was shuttling weapons from North Korea to Iran, a diplomatic source at the United Nations said on Friday.

But Iran is rejecting these reports as a "childish game" orchestrated by Israel, and says the Western media is allowing itself to be influenced by what it calls the Zionist lobby.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Just thought I'd try and find out some peoples views on this, personally I don't know what to believe, if this is true I would like to see Israel to present some kind of evidence or at-least a photograph. I can't seem to find any main streams news sources for this so I'm wondering whether or not this could be propaganda put out by Iran itself? Who knows maybe it is a Zionist conspiracy but how can western media be falling for it when I can't find anything in the western media about it? As of yet !
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My aim here is nothing more than to find out more info, possibly a photo. At first I couldn't find anything mainstream relating to this, just one news source Ive never heard of and one blog, it turns out I should have been more specific in my search terms as an article from BBC news has now been brought up.

Personally I don't believe in many of these "Zionist conspiracy theories" but in this case I thought maybe some random "Abu, ali or Mohammad" had just put it outthere for whatever reason. Turns out I was wrong.

www.themedialine.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 30-8-2009 by deadoralive]

[edit on 30-8-2009 by deadoralive]

Heres a link for the BBC:

news.bbc.co.uk...

The United Arab Emirates has seized a ship illegally carrying embargoed North Korean weapons bound for Iran, diplomatic sources at the UN have said.

A diplomat told the AFP news agency that the UAE had informed UN officials responsible for implementing sanctions on Pyongyang.

Now, you can either assume that Iran is naturally lying, as this is a typical response to alot of things from them.."It's those pesky Zionists again"..

Or, you can assume that if six Jewish Companies own 96% of the worlds media, they might be telling the truth..

Personally, I think that as they have a track record for buying stuff off NK, so it wouldn't be a total shock if they got caught again.

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Why does the same things have to be worded in so many ways?

Anyway. Good job. thanks

This part of the report has some interest:

The prospect of a nuclear Iran is a source of concern not just for Western countries but also for neighboring Sunni countries such as the UAE, for whom a nuclear armed Shia power might prove a threat.

It should also be noted that Iran and the UAE have a territorial dispute over three islands - Abu Mousa, the Greater Tunb and the Lesser Tunb, over which both countries claim sovereignty.

Especially since the boat might have been found in UAE waters: see post in related thread.

...seizure took place in the UAE, but not the shipping hub of Dubai...

[edit on 30-8-2009 by dzonatas]

Originally posted by deadoralive
Just thought I'd try and find out some peoples views on this, personally I don't know what to believe, if this is true I would like to see Israel to present some kind of evidence or atleast a photograph.

ROFL!!

You want Israel to present proof against the mad ramblings of Fanatical idiots ?
How about Iran provide proof that their Ayatollah is not Gay with an S&M fetish ? I'm sure I can find a website that claims that he is! When do you think they are going to provide "pictures" to prove that he isnt ??

You are ridiculous!

If every Western nation had to respond to the mad ravings of every Abu, ali or Mohammad there would be unable to do anything else.

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by deadoralive
Just thought I'd try and find out some peoples views on this, personally I don't know what to believe, if this is true I would like to see Israel to present some kind of evidence or atleast a photograph.

ROFL!!

You want Israel to present proof against the mad ramblings of Fanatical idiots ?
How about Iran provide proof that their Ayatollah is not Gay with an S&M fetish ? I'm sure I can find a website that claims that he is! When do you think they are going to provide "pictures" to prove that he isnt ??

You are ridiculous!

If every Western nation had to respond to the mad ravings of every Abu, ali or Mohammad there would be unable to do anything else.

I read the OP and thought exactly the same as you. Well said!!!

As usual the regime will blame zionists for everything and anything.

Why can't the regime provide the evidence for its claims for a change!

[edit on 30-8-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by john124




Why can't the regime provide the evidence for its claims for a change!

which one?

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Now, you can either assume that Iran is naturally lying, as this is a typical response to alot of things from them.."It's those pesky Zionists again"..

Or, you can assume that if six Jewish Companies own 96% of the worlds media, they might be telling the truth..

Its always hilarious to see the neo-nazis and NWO fruitcakes continue to parade their blatant Antisemitism (no semantics please! ) through pretty much the same slogans they used to use 70 years ago. I'm sure they must sound more catchy in German!

It is fascinating how a company- whos sole purpose is usually for profit can have religious inclinations!!

Do these so called "Jewish companies" work like some Jewish Synagogue where they are led by a Rabbi and people volunteer their time ? Or are they ordained to work by some Rabbi for the furtherance of Judaism ?? Or created through capital invested by a religious organization ?

Thats enough of ATS' pro-Israel crew. You guys must have some kind of automatic alert system that allows you to flock to threads so quickly. I don't buy it.

Instead of saying hooray Israel and "let's kill the Arabs", lets take a minute to think through the consequences of it all. It's easy to have someone go on a board and make up anything about Iran to stir folks up, but it's not so easy to clean up the mess after somebody "pre-emptively" attacks another sovereign coutry.

Is a far out "what if" worth the consequences of millions of deaths?? Anyone can make up a "what if". I mean "what if" America pre-emptively attacks Iran with a nuclear weapon? Maybe we should sanction America before we do some airstrikes?

What will you eat after multiple nuclear explosions in the Middle East cause a global climate and air pollution plus radiation catostrophe? What will you put in your car when the oil is too much for you to afford? How will you pay your rent when the economy collapses and you lose your job?

Aren't any of you thinking straight?? For a fact, there are "anomalies" (meaning people that probably look just like us, but are not from the "here" that we "know" about, but rather are from "someplace else") that do start accounts and make posts on ATS. I have seen it for myself.

Don't let folks in cyberspace that may or may not be who you think they are make a monkey out of you. You may not be able to stop future events, but start the fight right here and right now, by saying NO to letting just anyone do the thinking for you.

Think for yourself, make sure that your thoughts are your own. Don't just buy anything that pops up on an internet message board from strangers.

And, no, the UAE isn't going to intercept a ship with "illegal" arms meant for Iran. Don't believe just any garbage that appears in the news, since the only thing it proves is that you are gullible and easily influenced.

Somehow, I don't think Iran is a reliable source of information concerning Israel - or Iran, for that matter. *IF* Iran got caught red-handed, what else would they say? The devil made me do it? That only worked for Flip Wilson.

There is no reason in the world for Israel to create such a diversion or plot as this. If Israel was involved at all, it had to be that they knew of Iran's deal with N. Korea, and told the appropriate authorities in the UAE so that the ship was searched. If that's the case, I say good for them.

For those who hate Israel, you should consider that one big reason our troops didn't face nuclear weapons in Iraq is because Israel made a surgical strike to take out Iraq's nuclear reactor. The whole world condemned Israel for that action, but it was one that at least forestalled nuclear war in the Middle East.

Now we've got Iran trying to make bombs. They say it's for peaceful purposes - energy - but we know Iran has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Sure, they need nuclear energy because they're running out of oil.

No, they're developing nuclear weapons, and they're arming terrorists. Iran probably won't lob a nuclear missile over to the US (*probably*; Amhadinejad is crazy enough that he might just do it, but I don't think his controllers would go along with him). But Iran would certainly be OK with giving a nuke or two to some terrorist group to use as they see fit. That could wind up in our own back yard if we're not careful. And really, it doesn't even have to be an atomic bomb. Just vaporize a few pounds of plutonium in a city, and you've trashed the entire city for years. Iran has the technology to give such weapons to terrorists, and the terrorist mentality to actually do it. Or, to be fair to Iran, its leaders have this. Iranians themselves are actually pretty reasonable, much like everyone else. It's guys like Ahmadinejad who are the danger.

Someone is going to have to do something to stop Iran, or there will be nuclear terror within the next few years. Once that happens, it's going to be mighty hard getting that genie back into the bottle.

My guess is that the US and other countries will sit around wringing their hands over Iran, never taking any effective action. Eventually Israel will strike out in self-defense and try to destroy Iran's nuclear program. Everyone will condemn Israel for its unprovoked aggression against poor Iran, but secretly will be glad that Iran no longer has nukes (or never managed to develop them in the first place). Same old, same old.

Originally posted by deadoralive
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...if this is true I would like to see Israel to present some kind of evidence or at-least a photograph. I can't seem to find any main streams news sources for this so I'm wondering whether or not this could be propaganda put out by Iran itself? Who knows maybe it is a Zionist conspiracy but how can western media be falling for it when I can't find anything in the western media about it? As of yet !

When someone makes a claim, it is up to him to provide evidence to support the claim. Iran claims that Israel somehow formed a conspiracy to make Iran look bad. Fine. Maybe Israel really did that. It is up to Iran to provide the evidence that shows that Israel was plotting against Iran. Just making claims doesn't cut it.

I say that Iran actually fabricated this whole thing, by having a ship from N. Korea get stopped in the UAE, just so Iran could blame Israel for a Zionist conspiracy. Should Iran now have to defend itself against my accusation? Of course not. It would be up to me to try to show somehow that my accusation had merit.

So far, Iran has only made the accusation, without offering a shred of evidence. All Israel has to do is to deny that accusation. Since no evidence was offered to support the accusation, no evidence is needed to refute it. It boils down to "Did too", "Did not".

People who dislike Israel will believe Iran. People who like Israel will believe Israel. Without evidence, there is no way for anyone to make an informed decision. It's pure speculation, nothing more.

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I find it difficult to take any stance on the issue where both heads are part of the same snake.

You have the zionists on one side (which are not all jews) and you have the equal nut jobs like Ahmadejead (sp?) on the other who are looking to usher in the new age of the mahdi...

Zionists who are looking to fulfill biblical prophecy and extremists looking to fulfill zoroastrian 'prophecy'...

All I know is America needs to get the hell out of that entire area and let them fulfill their prophecies on each other...

Hasta lavista! Sayonara! Nice to know ya! See ya on the other side Jack!

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Why would they buy from NK when they get their weapons from Russia? It is just non sense. Russia supplies them with even missiles and you seem to think they would go all the way to the other side of the sea and buy from NKorean junk. They have trade with Russia so I don't believe Russia will hesitate to say no.

Originally posted by IAF101

Now, you can either assume that Iran is naturally lying, as this is a typical response to alot of things from them.."It's those pesky Zionists again"..

Or, you can assume that if six Jewish Companies own 96% of the worlds media, they might be telling the truth..

Its always hilarious to see the neo-nazis and NWO fruitcakes continue to parade their blatant Antisemitism (no semantics please! ) through pretty much the same slogans they used to use 70 years ago. I'm sure they must sound more catchy in German!

Yeah, keep bashing those Germans!
BTW, why do you have a German Black Cross in your signature?
I think you are the Nazi (Nazi = National Zionist)



Heil Hitler!

[edit on 31-8-2009 by Haunebu]

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In the video he claims to have never harmed an ant. What of his recent call to prosecute to deal with seriously ie: the highest degree for treason, the "leaders" of the opposition parties who claimed and protested against electoral fraud in the last election?
No, he maybe hasn't personnaly harmed anybody, but I have no doubt that his orders (even those "suggested") have harmed.

Iranian president: Prosecute opposition leaders
The Associated Press Fri. Aug. 28 2009 6:15 AM ET
"Serious confrontation has to be against the leaders and key elements, against those who organized and provoked (the riots) and carried out the enemy's plan. They have to be dealt with seriously," Ahmadinejad

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by deadoralive
Just thought I'd try and find out some peoples views on this, personally I don't know what to believe, if this is true I would like to see Israel to present some kind of evidence or atleast a photograph.

ROFL!!

You want Israel to present proof against the mad ramblings of Fanatical idiots ?
How about Iran provide proof that their Ayatollah is not Gay with an S&M fetish ? I'm sure I can find a website that claims that he is! When do you think they are going to provide "pictures" to prove that he isnt ??

You are ridiculous!

If every Western nation had to respond to the mad ravings of every Abu, ali or Mohammad there would be unable to do anything else.

Lol. I've only just read through and realized what I put, I was meant to put Id like to see Israel demand evidence from Iran, and not vice versa. I wondered what the hell people was on about at first, but now I realize I it's not a good Idea to sit up til the early hours drinking JD and posting on ATS Ouch my head hurts

Originally posted by chiron613
There is no reason in the world for Israel to create such a diversion or plot as this.

There is not a reason for Iran to create such a diversion, either.

Most likely, neither Iran nor Israel were involved in this one. However, we know Israel blames Iran no matter, and that makes Israel involved.

Isn't that what the boat is suppose to do? Get you to blame Iran. Looks like it worked like suppose to do.

Sheesh... I fear the sheeple.

[edit on 31-8-2009 by dzonatas]

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It's a known fact that many of Irans missiles are based of NK designs they purchased. This is something even the Iranians do not deny. I think you should do your homework before spouting off.

And just to be clear, I'm not sitting on either side of the fence here. I think Israel is a bully and slightly deranged and I think Iran is a nasty piece of work and slightly deranged. But this is hardly news, this article. Iran has been importing missile technology off NK for a long time.

The Shahab-3 missile is a carbon copy of the NK No-Dong missile.

IRSL-X-2 is an indigenously designed missile derived from the NK NKSL-1 rocket technology sold to them.

Shahab six, another indigenously designed rocket derived from the NK NKSL-X-2 rocket technology sold to them.

UAE intercepted ship with weapons. Some source in UN claims it was NK weapons going to Iran. I fail to see Israel in between. Why Israel has to prove anything if UAE got the ship and someone in UN claims it was bound to Iran,with cargo from N. Korea??
I mean - come on - official Israel is not making any claims about this ship. UAE is not saying that they did not stop any ship. UN is not denying anything. But Israel somehow got to prove it now.
And then , lies about "96 percent" of Jewish families... Check any name in his post, people do not work in their positions anymore, some for over 10 years.
A little sense. Some see Israel and all logic is down the drain, only emotions rule.
Iran and UAE (not to mention Saudis) are not much bigger friends then Iran and Israel.