DHS: Expect your computer to be seized without suspicion

Fine then, they'll take my laptop.

they'll open it, turn it on.

But it wont be what they expect.....

rick rolled on every file they open.....

and tubgirl....

probably worthy of some jail time...


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reply to post by IDK88


So can I torture you in international borders? Just asking. If I was to rule NZ one day will I be able to torture people for information and get away with it? Ops New Zealand has no borders, stupid little Island. Anyways, it is funny how the world turns every day, I'm amused.

Here comes the paranoia and over excitement from ATS.

Relax, no one's going to take your computer. But just in case they do...you better hide your nasty adult material

reply to post by Raist


Thanks for the link. Now, if I ever need to travel, I know I'm safe.

Not that I'm worried I do anything illegal. But, it seems someday (at the rate we're going), even ATS is gonna be illegal.

reply to post by Tentickles


I do not know why the goverment is releasing infomation like this anyway.With the secret access codes from the software producers and anti virus producers the goverment can access any computer they like and see everything you have on computer.They can even plant incrimminating evidence on your computer without your knowelege and then come anytime to arrest you on false charges.What kind of material could they plant in your computer.Pornagraphic material.Sercet military infomation and photos.They can even plant a nasty virus in your computer which would overnight turn your computer into a sitting useless piece of junk.Most of the time they just put in a back door j7 to monitor your internet activity and downloads.Nasty people.

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Hmm the part about no suspicion being needed troubles me, doesn't that just give them unlimited power to harass anyone?

reply to post by projectvxn


Now why would they need authority 100 miles inside the US? Planning for martial law perhaps, taking peoples computers away thereby depriving them of info.

reply to post by GORGANTHIUM


I've often wondered, with viruses and everything, how would they know it's from you? I mean there's worms out there that e-mail your contact's lists and infect other computers and so forth. Who's to say that somewhere hidden in those viruses some "cyber-terrorist" hasn't already planted illegal material on our computers?

I recieved an e-mail the other day from my cousin. Only it wasn't my cousin. It was someone asking for money for a dying relative in Europe. I know my cousin doesn't have any relatives in Europe. Since then, my computers have been acting a little strange but every virus scan comes up empty.

Sorry to go off topic. Proceed back with the DHS searching everyones computers.

The 100 mile Constitution-free zone has been discussed by the ACLU since it was first spotted. I'm shocked that there are Americans who do not know this!

Of course, the government says this isn't intentional, it wasn't what they meant, and to "trust" them.

Funny, they say that, and then they start check points within the country, and *just within* that 100 mile zone. Also convenient that it covers just about every major urban area.

Well done America, this is what happens when YOU don't pay attention to what your own government is doing.

Forget about "File Protection" people! What about RIGHTS PROTECTION!?!? I could care less if those stupid drones want to look at my laptop - fine, have a look! But we are really talking about here is a complete abrogation of an individuals Constitutional rights. I wasn't aware of "Consitution Free Zone" - never heard about it. Now I'm simply pissed!!!

My advice would be don't travel with a laptop with questionable material - especially when you don't have to. Load sensitive media onto another device like a thumb drive! But, again, this isn't about that as much as it is about training you to give up your rights.

The more I read about these things the more convinced I am that the Tree of Liberty is dying of thirst!!!

Apologies if someone else mentioned this, but I forsee this legislation being used and abused to catch illegal file sharers. If you've got an mp3 player or other multimedia device on you, make sure you own the content.

For me this is the final straw. I now know I will never voluntarily visit the US again, which is a real shame as two of my closest friends live over there. Can I be renditioned from the UK...Help...

Don't you think these "cracks" in your constitutional protections are just the beginning? Your rights are being eroded slowly in such small increments that most people don't notice. By the time that the majority of the population wakes up it will be too late. You won't have enough rights left with which to fight or defend yourselves.

America has already gone a long way down that slippery slope. I believe its too late already. There is no way for you get back up to where you were.

Get ready for the ride folks. The further you go the faster your rights will be flying past you to oblivion. That's a one way (fast) track down!

reply to post by sharps That's a very good point.
Maybe the DHS needs to change its name to Dept of Tourism Reduction. Strange too, after we had the Governator almost pleading for our money on screen...

The 100 mile zone is unconstitutional for taking any rights. You do not get your rights based on the piece of land you are sitting on, you get them because first off you are human, but also because you are an American citizen.

It doesn't matter if you are in Europe, as long as you are an American citizen the US government is not supposed to have any choice but to make sure your rights are protected.

Any talk of such a zone is 100% pure crap. And that obviously doesn't mean "they" might not try it, but as far as the constitution and law of the land goes it is unconstitutional to even think of such things.

Any discussion on the constitutional rights of US citizens is moot because the US constitution was voided by the Patriot Act and other similar legislation that was enacted during the Bush years and continues in force in the Obama years.

We have seen case after case where law enforcement just gets oh so frustrated with the rule of law and protection of liberty, so a simple “Hmmm, this is terrorism / kiddie porn related (wink wink)” and all those protections that you thought you had just evaporate.

Innocent until proven guilty? Pshaw! Sex offender registries where people are added because they are suspected (not convicted but suspected) of sexual offences, terror watch lists you can't get off even if you are a six month old infant or a decorated active service military officer with a top secret security clearance, massive monitoring of your email and phones combined with extensive data mining of your finances to find out if you are not a right thinking individual, Quakers being added to the the FBI dangerous criminal list because they were arrested at a peace rally. The list does go on....

In 2009, if you are a US citizen, you have the right:

1. To be monitored, investigated and spied on by your government without your knowledge, even without suspicion that you have committed a crime and without recourse.
   
2. To be tasered, beaten and imprisoned for not complying quickly enough or pleasantly enough to the whims of a police officer.
   
3. To be imprisoned without charge and held without trial if the government decided to revoke your rights, and you do not have any recourse or appeal if that happens nor do you have the right to know why it happened.
   
4. To be tortured.
   
5. To be permanently placed on various lists and registries at the whim and pleasure of various levels of government, lists that will dictate where you may live, work or travel.
   
6. To be medicated into a stupor with drugs that are generally less effective than placebos but produce high profits for the drug companies.
   
7. To get obese on food raised in factory farms with negligible nutritional content but sick full of sugar, dyes and coloring agents made by food mega corporations while organic and local producers are increasingly shut down with restrictive regulations
   

America was once the land of the free, but no more. The US is not moving towards socialism, it is sliding rapidly into being a police state run for the pleasure and profit of Monsanto, Blackwater (oops sorry Xe), Haliburton, General Foods and the rest.

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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
This sounds good, but what I don't understand is, if they could see the 30GB file before you opened it and entered your password, once you enter your password so they can see inside the 30GB, why can't they then also see the 10GB file also before you enter your password too? Seems to me like they could unless I'm missing something.
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Because the 10GB hidden drive is within the 30GB drive, but you only see it if you have the hidden drive password, otherwise all you see is a 30GB file.

reply to post by GorehoundLarry

Relax, no one's going to take your computer. But just in case they do...you better hide your nasty adult material

Try telling that to Paul G after USDA agents broke into his house and stole his computer records and trashed his computer. (from private mail to me) It happens but no one ever hears of it. Farmers have found out just how far a government agency will go to harass law abiding citizens who do not agree with the government "party line" It is not just an isolated case either.

Henshaws

Falliace “The farmers have no rights.”

Stowers - a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM.

PA Church Ladies Raided by ‘Food Safety’ Cops

reply to post by Bunken Drum


Thank you and I agree with you on the tourism thing.

I'm convinced that part of their agenda is to prevent tourism, and dismantle the worlds airlines. These are industries that they have already shown they are happy to attack. TPTB want us to eventually have no means of travel and this includes their war on the automobile. Ideally for them we would go to work, be productive at work for little pay and for the rest of our lives stay indoors at home, ordering all our food and retail purchases through our TV sets. We are just economic units to be exploited for profit and power.

Even though I'm in the UK I listen most days to Thom Hartmann and agree with most of what he says, but he is happy to discuss all the issues we discuss here provided no one mentions conspiracies, TPTB, or secret elites. Well he was discussing 911 the other day and his argument against it being a false flag operation was that there were much easier, cheaper, simpler and much more effective ways of terrorising the US populace. However he missed completely the point that TPTB never do something for just one reason. they have multiple motives in anything they do and so apart from insurance claims and buying and selling airline stocks, 911 was used to weaken the airline industry through fear and also to make the physical aspect of travelling ever much more difficult and expensive through increased checks, paperwork, bureaucracy etc.

reply to post by Tentickles


Heh, that's the beauty of it all. if they decide they you just don't "look right" they can search, seize, and rifle your electronic equipment..specifically targeting laptops in my opinion.

Just get a good lawyer because those laws violate constitutional rights, they are trying to make their federal laws override constitutional rights..all in the name of feeling safe. They try to make it sound like we need these laws to stem down illegal immigration but won't confess to terrible job they are doing with the laws already in place. Power corrupts, so true power...

Honestly, i'm more concerned about being shot when i get some gas at the gas station (they do get robbed) and the drunk drivers than Al Queda.

reply to post by Decoy


Thank you for all your delicious maple syrup.

Really I am thankful.

If you have vista ultimatum you already have system wide encryption. Mines disabled though

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reply to post by ShiftTrio

The 100 mile "border" includes the oceans, so yes port cities are included. That is why I listed them. I saw the map a year ago and do not have the URL