Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.

reply to post by thetruth777



LMAO!!!! Idiots Can't Read



The bill is talking about a National Medical Device Registry

To facilitate an analysys of postmarket safety on things like PACEMAKERS.
"device that is implantable, life-supporting or life-sustaining"

The actual bill is on the internet and you can scroll down to find the pages

energycommerce.house.gov...
Pages 1003-1004
I know most of it is hard to read, but this part about the "implanted devices" is pretty clear....NO THEY AREN'T GOING TO MICROCHIP YOU
They're trying to protect you ...unless you'd like to have unsafe medical devices put in you....


....and you can google alot of things, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true..

The FDA already does this...
FDA definition of Class II devices

Class II: General Controls with Special Controls Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance. Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.

Examples of Class III devices which require a premarket approval include replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants (with the exception of root-form endosseous dental implants which were recently reclassified as Class II

Simple research people.

As soon as I saw the terms class II and class III medical devices I just did a search, you know...to find out what a class II/III medical device is.

I'd also like to say, that as RFID implants exist today, none could be classified as a medical device. (Well, maybe a Class I device)

Medical Device

Class I: General Controls
Class I devices present minimal potential for harm to the user and are often simpler in design than Class II or Class III devices. These devices are subject only to general controls. General controls cover such issues as manufacturer registration with the FDA, good manufacturing techniques, proper branding and labelling, notification of the FDA before marketing the device, and general reporting procedures.[2] (Most Class I devices are exempt from the good manufacturing practices and/or the FDA notification regulations.)[2] These controls are deemed sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of the safety and effectiveness of the device; or the device is not life-supporting or life-sustaining and does not present a reasonable source of injury through normal usage. Devices in this category include tongue depressors, bedpans, elastic bandages, most hand-held dental instruments, examination gloves, and hand-held surgical instruments and other similar types of common equipment. Depending on the "stated/purported use" of a device, it may be necessary to obtain a Premarket Approval or 510K for the device, which is otherwise classifiable as a Class 1 device. Such devices are referred to as "reserved devices". The electrically powered arthroscope (which is really an endoscope powered electrically) is a case in point. While endoscopes are Class 1 devices, the electrically powered arthroscopes need a pre-market notification (510K) although the manual arthroscopes do not. Pre-market notified devices are marketed as "at least as safe and effective, that is, substantially equivalent, to a legally marketed device."

[edit] Class II: General Controls with Special Controls
Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.[2] Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.

[edit] Class III: General Controls and Premarket Approval
A Class III device is one for which insufficient information exists to assure safety and effectiveness solely through the general or special controls sufficient for Class I or Class II devices. Such a device needs premarket approval, a scientific review to ensure the device's safety and effectiveness, in addition to the general controls of Class I. Class III devices are described as those for which "insufficient information exists to determine that general controls are sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of its safety and effectiveness or that application of special controls ... would provide such assurance and if, in addition, the device is life-supporting or life-sustaining, or for a use which is of substantial importance in preventing impairment of human health, or if the device presents a potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury."[3]

Examples of Class III devices which require a premarket approval include replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants (with the exception of root-form endosseous dental implants which were recently reclassified as Class II).

Do just a minor amount of research before you go all chicken little on everyone and claim the sky is falling.

[edit on 11/13/2009 by ThaLoccster]

I would have thought you would have given up this silliness by now.

Let's assume, though, for a moment that you're correct. How do you really think this is going to be done? Do you think that every American is going to go get microchipped voluntarily?

The doctor's will do that without your knowledge you say? So now your saying that a few hundred thousand doctors (perhaps millions) will keep this all hush-hush, right? Fat chance.

Stop being so paranoid, these chips are not banned currently, meaning they can be implanted today - so why do you think that a law needs to be passed that doesn't really mention them but somehow mandates them (without mentioning them)?

There are plenty of good reasons to oppose ObamaCare, we don't need to make stuff up about it.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by shrike071]

This is an article from 2006. It's old - but specific to what is happening on a larger scale. We know now that this is being used for dementia - as a reminder to take medication - etc -

I personally have a very hard time believing that this is not what there is in mind for the future of the masses. Especially if medical is government run.
It looks pretty clear to me - it's not a stretch -

And it's not ok - something like this should NEVER be made a mandatory requirement for medical care - etc - ever.

www.verichipcorp.com...

Tiny implant puts portable medical April 24 2006

The technology would allow physicians and medical personnel access to personal and medical records in cases where patients are unconscious or otherwise noncommunicative.

By Tyler Chin, AMNews staff. April 24, 2006. A small but increasing number of people are getting a portable health record in an intimate way -- by having a computer chip implanted in their arms.

When read by a scanner, the chip, the size of a grain of rice, would give an identification number physicians and hospitals would use to log on to a secure Web site containing that patient's identification and medical information. The chip and technology is produced by VeriChip, whose corporate parent owns another company --

Digital Angel --that has sold 6 million similar chips implanted in dogs and cats since 1991. Former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson is a VeriChip board member and has pledged to get himself "chipped."

How do we know these chips arent already in the swine flu vaccine? The problem is we dont.

This is yet another case of Distrust of our Govt.
When those crooks can start being honest the world will be a lot better.
By them not being honest, people will start not doing what they should and it will only hurt the general population.

Crooks, theives, and cold faced liars, that is what you have representing you in DC.
Throw all the bums out, clean the slate.

If they do Project Bluebeam or a fake alien invasion, guess what happens next...? Chip all citizens for their own safety, we must unite, etc..all the BS... this is not funny..just because it isn't mandatory now, doesn't mean it never will be...people should act and resist it now, not when times up and we become slaves...if that happens, then im leaving this planet with my alien friends..or kicking some government butt with bullets

[edit on 15/11/09 by Cybernet]

pg. 1001 on the HR 3200 IH
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...:h3200ih.pdf

It says that the registry will be implemented even if regulations have not been finalized.

Can anyone find reliable information about whether it will be mandatory for people to get micro-chipped?

(2) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The Secretary of
16 Health and Human Services shall establish and
17 begin implementation of the registry under section
18 519(g) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
19 Act, as added by paragraph (1), by not later than
20 the date that is 36 months after the date of the en21
actment of this Act, without regard to whether or
22 not final regulations to establish and operate the
23 registry have been promulgated by such date.

I have to get my dog chipped.. by order of Army. It is about the size of piece of rice. Goes in back of neck. It's pretty common to chip animals now. Gives me the creeps.

I'd say babies are next.

Originally posted by excalibur2009
pg. 1001 on the HR 3200 IH
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...:h3200ih.pdf

It says that the registry will be implemented even if regulations have not been finalized.

Can anyone find reliable information about whether it will be mandatory for people to get micro-chipped?

(2) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The Secretary of
16 Health and Human Services shall establish and
17 begin implementation of the registry under section
18 519(g) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
19 Act, as added by paragraph (1), by not later than
20 the date that is 36 months after the date of the en21 by not later than 20 the date that is 36 months after the date of the en21 actment of this Act
actment of this Act, without regard to whether or
22 not final regulations to establish and operate the
23 registry have been promulgated by such date.

So the bill goes through filibuster on 12-21-09 and the government is already beginning preparations for the new laws and regulations as the bill being passed is now simply mere formality. 36 months later.........

This is awfully close to the 12-21-2012 time frame.

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Red Cloak]

Originally posted by thetruth777
There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.


The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...




Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."



This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.




So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????




SOURCE: www.opencongress.org...

Sorry if this has already been known but listen to this guy...

at 1:12 into the video.

www.youtube.com...

Strangely enough this is coming out in our news today. And yes, someone here read it wrong too, because, they're stating in 2013 USA citizens under Obama-Care must comply with implants. Just sayin.

I don't think you even need to be able to read Italin to gleam the meaning, but I'll give you a hint. It reads implants will be 'obligatory' -

a proposito del disegno di legge sulla salute presentato da Obama e che a partire dal 2013 renderà obbligatorio per tutti i cittadini statunitensi l’impianto di un microchip Rfid che contenga tutte le informazioni relative a ogni americano.

SANITA’ DI OBAMA’: DAL 2013 OBBLIGATORIO MICROCHIP SOTTOCUTANEO

What's my point? If this is based on wrong info or no - I've a feeling it's more aimed at putting out 'feelers' to see how well this will be received in USA and World wide.

peace

So, whomever wrote this article didn't bother to do any research at all, in fact, they blatantly falsified information about the bill in order to 'validate' their particular agenda.

In short, the author of this article lied, and should probably be sued for slander. At the very least they should be forced to print a retraction.

For any of those of you interested enough to actually look at the bill, what the author claims as their source, it can be found here:

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...

If your not interested in reading all 1100 pages in legalese, here are the relevant paragraphs the author 'references'. Forgive me because I actually bothered to provide an accurate listing of the bill's relevant contents. I think Slander and lies are the tools of the deceitful and that the truth and honesty are for those that can stand the light.

If you take the time to read the initial paragraph below and pages 1001 to 1004 of the actual bill it becomes clear that the "National Medical Device Registry" is intended as a statistical analysis about the effectiveness of certain medically implanted devices, such as pacemakers, artificial hearts, atrificial joints, etc. In the entire 1017 pages of the bill, RFID appears no where. The only place the term CHIP appears is in reference to "Children's Health Insurance Plan", a reform of medicaid to permit newborn children without any other applicable health care coverage to be covered by Medicaid immediately after birth. NOT in reference to any sort of RFID Chip.

Don't present lies to us as the truth. I shall not swallow them.

"Subtitle C—National Medical Device Registry
SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.
(a) REGISTRY.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is amended—
(A) by redesignating subsection (g) as subsection (h); and
(B) by inserting after subsection (f) the following:
‘‘National Medical Device Registry
‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—
‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and VerDate Nov 24 2008 01:43 Jul 15, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 01000 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD with BILLS

1001
•HR 3200 IH
‘‘(B) is—
‘‘(i) a class III device; or
‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.
‘‘(2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall, in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordi9
nator for Health Information Technology, and the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods for—
‘‘(A) including in the registry, in a manner consistent with subsection (f), appropriate information to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by type, model, and serial number or other unique identifier;
‘‘(B) validating methods for analyzing patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and for linking such data with the information included in the registry as described in subparagraph (A), including, to the extent feasible, use of—
‘‘(i) data provided to the Secretary under other provisions of this chapter; and
‘‘(ii) information from public and private sources identified under paragraph (3); VerDate Nov 24 2008 01:43 Jul 15, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 01001 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD with BILLS

hope this helps the conversation

Originally posted by Atlantican
Thanks for this. You have HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD and found what exactly 100% of us have suspected would come down the pipe at some point. Whether by way of economic or medical means.

*THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN FOLKS*

Suddenly, "the crazies" don't seem that crazy anymore.

nope, the OP posted just more republican BS...gee, what a shocker!....doesn't the voting public get tired of this?...it seems you have to check everything the right says, and then after a while, like the boy who crys wolf...nobody believes anything they say.

Originally posted by IMSAM

hope this helps the conversation

some businesses in the security field have already had these implanted into employees...but booga, booga...now it's Obama's healthcare that is ENTIRELY responsible for this.

Originally posted by IMSAM

hope this helps the conversation

so is it the usa goverment saying we need chips?or some corporate business?

reply to post by thetruth777


There will be war over this issue.

reply to post by Cybernet


This is not going to happen in the US.

Not only do we get CHIP'd but we get to pay higher taxes as well.

I hope you Obama voters are happy now!