evolution?

I dont think religion is wrong. Ive said that many a time on ATS (ask AshleyD, a mod who is religious). What I do have a problem with, is when people like yourself come on here acting like you a better than everyone because you are religious, and enforcing your beliefs on everyone else, making them out to be "horrible" people becuase they share different opinions and beliefs from yourself.

In case you havent noticed, the motto of ATS is deny ignorance.....something you have yet to do. If you want to bag out science, there is other websites where you can go, where there are more ignorant fundamentalists you can agree with, without being challenged.

And yes, the bible is wrong in my opinion...ive read it, and i dont like all the contradictions within it. Thats my opinion, you have a different one, which you're allowed to have.....if you dont like my opinion then you can just

i didnt pinpoint that i was a high and mighty person you obviously take this personally i didnt say that you were horrible persons you will be forgiven obviously. im not forcing my beliefs on you were reading them with your freewill, cough cough which god gave you cough cough you can belkieve whatgever you want just know that the true christians and jews are here to help you not hurt you. and the fact that god doesnt start these wars people do much like your self who arent pure of heart or mind. the main cause of wars was because people eho were not benevolent got positions of power which they didnt deserve. people who do religion just to look good, do you understand that everything jesus said could apply to every different situation we preach peace not war.

I'm having serious trouble understanding if you are being ridiculously sarcastic or if you really are a super bible thumper...


*sigh... people like you scare me..

Edit: Oh ha, I was right you were being sarcastic, PHEW!

I didn't read your latest post

[edit on 8/28/09 by MoothyKnight]

Please watch these.
Oh em gee indeed.

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well lets start with this"The complete fossil skeleton of what could be an important "missing link" in the story of human evolution" what could be did you catch that? or the fact that these were different species much like are own after all how close are we gentically close to monkeys,ill telln youHumans differ from both common chimps and bonobos in about 1.6% of DNA, and share 98.4%. Gorillas differ somewhat more, by about 2.3%, from us and from both of the chimps. Humans differ from orangutans by 3.6% of DNA, and from gibbons and siamangs by 5%. so we are seeing that approximately in 1.6 percent of dna we are seeing a chimp turn into a human, or apes that are closer in size are approximately 3.6 percent away these numbers do not add and means evolution is wrong, they say we are apes when we arent even close 1.6 percent to 5 % IS ALOT OF DNA. i mean alot think about your odds if you had 1.6-5.0% chance of winning

Originally posted by make.changes
Ii didnt pinpoint that i was a high and mighty person you obviously take this personally i didnt say that you were horrible persons you will be forgiven obviously.

I know you didnt say it exactly, your words hint at it. I mean you just said right then, "you will be forgiven obviously"....i take offence to that.....again you are pushing your beliefs.

im not forcing my beliefs on you were reading them with your freewill,

Yes, I am. Im here to defend my beliefs, which you are so willingly happy to critcise, while promoting your own agenda. Lie I said I dont care what people believe in, until you come out and start carrying on about how wrong everyone else is

cough cough which god gave you cough cough you can belkieve whatgever you want just know that the true christians and jews are here to help you not hurt you.

Well you're obviously not one of those christians are you? You dont want to help, you want everyone to know what you think of evolution and why people that dont believe you (and scientists), are satanic tools.

and the fact that god doesnt start these wars people do much like your self who arent pure of heart or mind. the main cause of wars was because people eho were not benevolent got positions of power which they didnt deserve. people who do religion just to look good, do you understand that everything jesus said could apply to every different situation we preach peace not war.

Lets see then

The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire

en.wikipedia.org...

Yep, religious war

The French Wars of Religion (1562–98) is the name given to a period of civil infighting and military operations, primarily between French Catholics and Protestants (Huguenots),

en.wikipedia.org...

Yep, religious war

The origins of the conflict and goals of the participants were complex and no one cause can accurately be described as the main reason for the fighting. Initially the war was fought largely as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire,

en.wikipedia.org...

Yep, religious war

They resulted in the incorporation of Saxony into the Frankish realm and their conversion from Germanic paganism to Germanic Christianity

en.wikipedia.org...

Shall I go on? Or do you get the point?

Im not saying religion causes all the wars, becuase it doesnt. And I never said god caused the wars either.....but some of his alleged disciples sure did.

And also how about these guys



I sure hope you dont agree with them

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i dforgot to quote someone elses post and combined it with mine i was not being sarcastic i read the bible a lot and this is just touching genisis, you truthfully are an ignorant chump with no chance of understanding what life is about. because you are to caught up about your facts based on theories, but havent explained in one way how the bible is wrong or inaccurate.

im assuming that your talking about the time period of the language,so here you go if your talking about how the way a letter sounds when said referring to the way a certain letter is spoken as if we were talking about past present or future in a sentence then yes somewhat i couldnt say that i knew it in every language perfectly but hey neither do you.

I never claimed to.
Nice attempt at dissuading the simple fact that makes all the difference when interpreting ancient texts. Or are you suggesting that the texts of the bible are not so ancient?

wow seriously thats pretty dumb of you to ask because basically what your talking about is how everbody got horrible at speaking and talking because they stopped learning, much like how most americans are? and if you mean understand, yeah i can understand what an american is saying when they dont speak proper english, hmmm...

Again another attempt at discrediting a question.
First and foremost, the languages spoken and the so called "lazy" dialects occur when, because of a language's foundation, other languages have words difficult to pronounce, so they are pronounced with the "drawl" of the language they are being spoken in.
Again rather relevant, because over time, the meaning of those words amy change, because of the mispronunciation.
Awesome spelling and grammar by the way.

well are you aware that alot of the romances have a lot of words in common this is because of latin not french, hmmm.. why french why not latin buddy i mean seriously thats were all of the names of plants and animals come from right? i mean i could be wrong but i sure as hell no they are not french.

This is becoming routine now.
Latin is the derivative of a the ROMANCE languages, However because of the french influence in the majority of them have been irrevocably altered.
I guess that the "Norman conquest of 1066" is lost to you.
ever heard of "William the Conqueror" or the "Visigoths between the 5th and 8th century"
Also to denote, that the modern Latin "binomial nomenclature" of plants and animals has anything to do with modern linguistic influence, and not with modern scientific naming standards is totally ridiculous.

they teach this stuff in highschool were im at you especially learn that knowledge when you take multiple different languages, not seeeming so smart now huh...
and for being the highest germanic language with french and latin, id say you were wrong and that latin was the highest language except for in the beginning. IN THE BIBLE. LOL

Learn some spelling and grammar for goodness sakes, or at least take some time to proof read.

Latin is a derivative language as I noted already, it is not the most modern, however it's influence is unmistakable.
And I suggest that you research English a bit more.
"English is a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian and Lower Saxon dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers and Roman auxiliary troops from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands[citation needed] in the 5th century"
Modern English is in fact, the most modern form of high German.

I must commend you on your efforts, but I do believe that you know nothing about anything you are talking about.
You may have read a bit on certain things, and because of your ego, think that you know the exact nature of the information you ave acquired.
Your ego is blinding you to the opportunity to actually learn something about the world you live in.
Instead of continuing this scenario with another rebuttal, why don't you actually do some research and come back to us more informed and tell us what you learned.
Thinking that you know something, and actually being knowledgeable are two different things.
You may find that looking for answers is half the fun.

Another thing, When attempting to convince anyone of anything, it's probably best not to try and make them know how superior you think you are.

I make no claims, I only offer the opportunity to think.

God Bless you brother.
You are going to need it.


I hope you can live up to your user name.



[edit on 8/28/2009 by reticledc]

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well certainly i dont hate fags i just relized that they made a wrong choice and forgive them, read romans and leviticus youll find your answers their god doesnt hate them he still loves them very much. he will forgive them but if they arent willing to be forgiven and are to caught up in their pride
well then they denoed the faith and forgiveness of god, and well you know that i know what will happen to them.

Originally posted by make.changes

Originally posted by reticledc
reply to post by make.changes

 

Are you even aware that you are typing in the highest/newest form of Germanic, with French, and Latin influences, not to mention the other simple words that have been added along the way? they teach this stuff in highschool were im at you especially learn that knowledge when you take multiple different languages, not seeeming so smart now huh...
and for being the highest germanic language with french and latin, id say you were wrong and that latin was the highest language except for in the beginning. IN THE BIBLE. LOL

i stated my opinion where i stated that i didnt think that english was the highest form of germanic language. plus english is a stupid language that doesnt even make that much sense to a regular person in fact even smart people think that its a dumb language you can ask all teachers that speak more then one language to clarify this. so highest no, dumbest yes!!! : )

i see that you are very atheist and im glad that you are willing to to say that you think i dont know what im talking about. but i turn the other cheek. : )

Originally posted by make.changes
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

well lets start with this"The complete fossil skeleton of what could be an important "missing link" in the story of human evolution" what could be did you catch that? or the fact that these were different species much like are own after all how close are we gentically close to monkeys,ill telln youHumans differ from both common chimps and bonobos in about 1.6% of DNA, and share 98.4%. Gorillas differ somewhat more, by about 2.3%, from us and from both of the chimps. Humans differ from orangutans by 3.6% of DNA, and from gibbons and siamangs by 5%. so we are seeing that approximately in 1.6 percent of dna we are seeing a chimp turn into a human, or apes that are closer in size are approximately 3.6 percent away these numbers do not add and means evolution is wrong, they say we are apes when we arent even close 1.6 percent to 5 % IS ALOT OF DNA. i mean alot think about your odds if you had 1.6-5.0% chance of winning

i suggest you post something to this....

Originally posted by make.changes
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

well certainly i dont hate fags i just relized that they made a wrong choice and forgive them, read romans and leviticus youll find your answers their god doesnt hate them he still loves them very much. he will forgive them but if they arent willing to be forgiven and are to caught up in their pride
well then they denoed the faith and forgiveness of god, and well you know that i know what will happen to them.

What???!!

So, if they dont follow god, then you are saying they are evil? You're really far from being a good person.

You're just as bad as the Fred Phelps group if you take that attitude.

You're the one full of pride...isnt that a sin?

reply to post by OzWeatherman


im not saying they are evil if i did then i apologize im saying they are not right. not evil

god has faith in all people who are not righteous, they are giving time to change and if they dont its to bad, dont take that the wrong way. im one of the most loving people you will ever meet

i stated my opinion where i stated that i didnt think

I rest my case.

english is a stupid language that doesnt even make that much sense to a regular person in fact even smart people think that its a dumb language you can ask all teachers that speak more then one language to clarify this. so highest no, dumbest yes!!!

Well if it's the dumbest language, I see you have mastered it well.

i see that you are very atheist and im glad that you are willing to to say that you think i dont know what im talking about.

I am glad you drew that parallel about me being atheist from out of thin air.
I am a very spiritual person actually.
You have no concept about what a relationship with God is, that much is apparent by how obtuse you come across.

but i turn the other cheek.

I am glad to see that you are admitting to turning away from actual conscious thought. That is the first step of admitting your faults, and growing past them.

As I said before,
God Bless you brother.
You are going to need it.
Especially with that attitude and religious superiority complex.



Back to the original topic, lost so long ago.
We are still waiting for your research.
Please substantiate your finding, by offering empirical evidence.

I shall offer my opinion, accept it or deny it, or do neither.
Your understanding is irrelevant to me.
I persist, merely because it offers me the opportunity to organize my own thoughts. A combative partner in that process keeps me on my toes.
So thank you.

Religion and science have already laid their groundwork, and there is no reason whatsoever that an equilibrium cannot be forged between the both of them.
Even the Catholic church has recently acknowledged some modern scientific speculation, admitting the potential for extra terrestrial life. I love how the point was made that if ET life does exist, that God is potentially not lost to them nor need it be lost to us.
Most science as a matter of fact was the result of religious sanctions at one point.
In fact Modern science has it's origins in Christianity.
So evolution can in fact, coexist with any and all religious beliefs.
One does not simply have to ignore any avenue to make things work.
Blind faith is exactly that. Blinding yourself to other possibilities.
Be it in religion or science.
Much to your point of view, just as many scientists will block out any and all religious connotations.



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Originally posted by make.changes
cough cough which god gave you cough cough

You should do something about that cough. Standing in a cold puddle of ignorance won't help.

If you are going to try to argue against evolution, you probably ought to know the subject matter first. Just saying that evolution is completely wrong and doesn't exist because of what you believe won't work.

Biological evolution - what a beginner needs to know
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Originally posted by make.changes
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

im not saying they are evil if i did then i apologize im saying they are not right. not evil

But you are saying they will go to "hell" if they dont change right? Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt it a fundamentalist opinion that people that are gay are bad people? You seem to think us scientists are evil, or doing eveil things....right?

god has faith in all people who are not righteous, they are giving time to change and if they dont its to bad, dont take that the wrong way. im one of the most loving people you will ever meet

I seriously doubt that. If you were loving, you would respect other people opinions and you wouldnt be here bagging out science and evolution, nor would you be assuming that gay people are "wrong"...nor would you be thinking that you can change someones sexuality.....thats just ignorance.

You are one of the most self-righteous people I have ever seen here, and Ive been here 2 years...

It seems that most the members here agree with me, and not you, judging by the single flag that you have recieved. By the way, this thread will come under close scrutiny from the mods, as it appears you are preching your religion

most of you still have not answered ithe question i have posted about the genetic difference between apes and humans. because somehow chimps have approximately 1.5% difference and apes who are more similar are approximately 3.6% differently you still have no answer for it so quit avoiding the question.

and by the way answer me this, how come jesus could perform miracles.yet you cannot. ohh looks like you have to be close to god!!!!

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i can still be loving and tell you that you are wrong. thats exactly what parents do, the correct and guide you. yes i know many gay peaople and i certainly dont hate them i could talk to them easily with no problems. your just gonna have to take my word because im like this with all of the people i meet, i just come across different when typing over when i actually talk to people.

Science is not evil, nor is science of the Devil. However, evolution is the biggest fraud and conspiracy ever perpetrated on mankind.

Evolutionist scientists get all the government money. Creation scientists are privately funded. The gov. "gravy train" has many more passengers. Who would have guessed? The gov. money goes to research, TV programs, and documentaries that are pro evolutionist.

People are being brainwashed by programs on Nova, Discovery, National Geographic, etc. when they air programs that are pro evolution. These programs, as well as the MS news media, constantly make comments that brainwash you into believing evolution is a proven fact, when in fact it is not a proven fact.....it's just a theory!! Sure, they offer some truth, only because they know the best lies, and the best brainwashing methods, require an element of truth. They also know that if you tell a big enough lie, "loud enough and long enough" the masses will come to believe it as truth.

Evolutionists and Creationists use the same evidences to support their beliefs. Get that? The evidences are the same. It's the explanations for the evidences that differs.

Creationists say the evidence supports their belief in intelligent design and special creation.

Evolutionists say the evidence supports their belief in natural processes bringing about order from chaos and life from non-life (which took hundreds of millions, or even billions of years).

Both groups require faith. Evolutionists place their faith in natural processes operating over eons of time. Creationists place their faith in an intelligent designer/creator.

When I examine the evidences and look at the explanations from both sides, I conclude that the creation model is more reasonable and logical. IMHO the evidence fits the creation model much better, and without the need for excuses and secondary assumptions.

My decision has nothing to do with religion. Religion involves calling out to God and trying to win favor with Him through all manner of worship, rituals, rites, and practices....which I have nothing to do with. If God wants me, he can come calling for me. He knows where I am.

Now, you flamers can fame away. But you are fighting a loosing battle with me. I've been here before. I've read your articles. I've read your explanations of the evidence....and I conclude you are following "bought" scientist. Bought and used as pawns to spread the biggest delusion and conspiracy of all time. It's amazing to see otherwise intelligent people play dumb and hold to a delusion in order to collect a paycheck.

my belief is science is from satan directly contradicting gods rule to make sure that god wouldnt necessarily win. those who believe in science generally stop believing in god. and those who use faith interface is part of the devils back up plan to directly relate science and god to make sure that the devil at least partly wins.

in conclusion evolution doesnt exist and science is the by product of the devil trying to win the giant power struggle thats been here since the beginning.

You seem to have a strange picture in your head of "science".
Science is not a group of people, a lifestyle, or any specific opinion, science is amassing of knowledge through observable evidence.
So, being on this forum you obviously are using a tool of satan? Or how do you think computers are possible? Oh, and I guess you deny modern medical services?
You don't have to believe in science, you can see results in our technology, and observe phenomena in the world around you.
You may have criticism of specific scientific theories, but it's quite irrational to write off all science like that.
God wants us docile and ignorant, huh? How dare mankind wants to understand the world it lives in.
If knowledge is part of satan's plan I might just have to sign up, seems like a cool guy afterall.

id say it was an ordinance set by god to defend the body from bacteria. the whole world involves the circle of life. they live in harmony they were created perfectly to be able to co and interdepend off of each other. if they couldnt they would be to independent and the world would be chaos. all if these things have to be planned out to work. ill give you an example take a lake, in the lake you have multiple fish and multiple plants. they remain balanced they have natural predators and natural prey no interference. no fish added by humans. and there is enough fish for humans to survive at a correct poulation along with the other natural predators. i.e bears etc. the harmony is perfect the animals know what is right and what is not right. to take out of it. now we throw in some factors. we increase the poulation dramatically. we start over indulging on the fish . and the population goes down. so to correct this the humans start adding diffirent fish to the lake something non native. its a predator it eats everything thats meat it has no natural predator in the lake this throws off the whole circle of life in the lake, all of the fishes start getting eaten now to counter act this they throw in another predator one thats bigger to take out the other predator fish etc... you know where this is going another chaos cycle. a whole knew eco climate must be made just to maintain a harmony. we have to leave it natural the way things were. when we get involved with these lies like evolution, and believe in science we opened up pandoras box and created complete chaos no way to reverse it we have to leave it where it is at and let god fix it. everything that man has created has led to chaos but everything that god has made has been perfect. yes im bringing god into this!!!

So we were not created by god obviously, because he doesn't create flawed things?