evolution?

i have come to inform you that evolution is completly wrong and doesnt exist,. we will first start with the fact that scientists state that evolution is based on the supposed truth that evolution is supposed to be for the need to change fyi monkeys walking upright son they could see further and into the bushes. ill state that this is impossible because humans are the dominant species killing off multiple species and the ones that need to change would be the animals, but the animals arent evolving are they. they are being killed off at an alarming rate. fyi would supposedly mean that they would have to evolve faster. they are not evolving one bit they remain in there origional forms. and scientists are stating that humans are gonna evolve which doesnt make sense with their theory, because humans would have no need to change because of their dominance over other animal.

this means in my opinion that genisis was real everything that was said in genisis is real.

science much like scientology was made up just to make people think that they knew about something they could never know without the faith which some athiests state is to hard to have; because they could never hold conviction for something that couldnt be proven except for the person that created the universe.

science is inaccurate here it could be inaccurate in every other case too.

my belief is science is from satan directly contradicting gods rule to make sure that god wouldnt necessarily win. those who believe in science generally stop believing in god. and those who use faith interface is part of the devils back up plan to directly relate science and god to make sure that the devil at least partly wins.

in conclusion evolution doesnt exist and science is the by product of the devil trying to win the giant power struggle thats been here since the beginning.

You don't expect animals to evolve in such a short time do you? evolution takes millions of years. Humans will evolve as we begin to rely more on technology and our changing enviroments.

~Renarism

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I think you need to find a really good book on evolution for beginners and read it. Try to understand what evolution is, not just what you think it is. Don't try to use creationist sites to get information on evolution because most of the time, it's misinformation.

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i have come to inform you that evolution is completly wrong and doesnt exist

I look forward to your publication in Nature.

Evolution is based on the two main processes, change in genetic information (through random mutation, etc) and natural selection (inc. sexual selection and others).

You say that evolution isn’t true because animals are not currently evolving in response to human actions, that is not true; for example African Bull Elephants have evolved smaller tusks generation upon generation due to the action of human hunters. As the males most likely to survive a generation were those with small tusks it was the genes that produce small tusks that were past on. That is evolution in action due to human action.

You may say that this is micro evolution thus not really evidence of evolution which you might equate to macro evolution. This isn’t true in the scientific sense as both are considered evolution. However speciation has nevertheless been observed as well.

You also say that humans could not be evolving because they dominate other animals. You misunderstand the drivers for evolution. As above evolutions is caused by genetic change and natural selection; any genetic change that benefits the organism in relation to its ability to survive and reproduce will be passed on. Whether a change is beneficial or not does not have to be defined in relation to interaction with other animals. For example if a species lives in a temperate climate that becomes a very cold climate the members of that species that, for example, developed dense fur would survive whereas those that didn’t would die out. Note that this does not involve any other species.


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I can sense this post evolving into a slugfest.

All I can say is do some reading.
We see changes no more than we see the grass grow.
Only after a period of time of non observance do changes become apparent.

The USA was only discovered a few hundred years ago...

We're still very young, a few hundred years ago, electricity was the #! We just got this stuff! How cool is that.

Evolution is actually very cool and interesting, we can't imagine millions upon millions of years, but we can try.

For example, as we have computers and smaller enviroments, Myopia is spreading rapidly, it wasn't always so, see China, since they've been in factories and such, myopia among it's people has shot up 60%, that's a quick evolution.

Myopic people can see things very close in HD, to the extreme, but when lasik or contacts and glasses that ability goes.

Now tell me this. Do you think in 1,000,000 years, that's along time, but not even close to what it took to make us. Do you suppose we'll all look the exact same? (well besides becoming one race lol) What would we look like.

I hope you don't say that we'd all be the same in 1,000,000 years as we are now.

We'd be very different, and the animals then will be like something out of a sci-fi.


Edit to add: If you have the time, Check this out.

[edit on 27-8-2009 by Republican08]

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science has not been here for millions of years to know that evolution exists. the bone fossils they find show a drastic change impossible for science to explain. they go from not being able to walk upright to being able to walk upright magically with no in between stages, sorry but that would take something beyond science to explain. even after they fully learn all of the the genomes in the body they will never be ablke to explain what happened. sorry but evolution is a lie just think about it. it doesnt make sense.

Originally posted by Republican08
The USA was only discovered a few hundred years ago...

We're still very young, a few hundred years ago, electricity was the #! We just got this stuff! How cool is that.

Evolution is actually very cool and interesting, we can't imagine millions upon millions of years, but we can try.

For example, as we have computers and smaller enviroments, Myopia is spreading rapidly, it wasn't always so, see China, since they've been in factories and such, myopia among it's people has shot up 60%, that's a quick evolution.

Myopic people can see things very close in HD, to the extreme, but when lasik or contacts and glasses that ability goes.

Now tell me this. Do you think in 1,000,000 years, that's along time, but not even close to what it took to make us. Do you suppose we'll all look the exact same? (well besides becoming one race lol) What would we look like.

I hope you don't say that we'd all be the same in 1,000,000 years as we are now.

We'd be very different, and the animals then will be like something out of a sci-fi.

that still doesnt explain why humans would still be evolving and animals wouldnt. and yes i believe things will be a lot diiferent because of all the new chemicals we are making , and all of the genetic research and changes we are trying to make to the body. yes soon science will be turning your eyes blue to brown. and because of this new diseases will start up. because its wrong to defile the temple god would say. but this is another topic, but its weird why gods answer works yet sciences doesnt.
your myopia is not evolution thats is illogical what need would we have to see things like flowers up close.

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i dont read creationist sites i read the bible much more accurate.

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could it be that maybe its not your genomes randomly mutating which actually makes no sense at all be cause it supposedly needs some reason to change. right? like your example of the weather getting colder and the development of denser fur. doesnt sound random to me.

its probably more like god had to change the bisons tusks because the bison coulnt do it its self.

its like a house that you have built its perfect there is no need to change the house until there is a need to change it the wall cant just magically shift itself into a different shape. can it? no the designer of the house has to go through all of the plans and figure out how to make it better.

Originally posted by Renarism
You don't expect animals to evolve in such a short time do you? evolution takes millions of years. Humans will evolve as we begin to rely more on technology and our changing enviroments.

~Renarism

[edit on 27-8-2009 by Renarism]

Evolution happens every day. Viruses and Bacteria evolve to defeat our defenses and we evolve to fight them. Our children are often born with our enhanced defense mechanisms. It is a continuous evolution.

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that still doesnt explain why humans would still be evolving and animals wouldnt. and yes i believe things will be a lot diferent because of all the new chemicals we are making , and all of the genetic research and changes we are trying to make to the body. yes soon science will be turning your eyes blue to brown. and because of this new diseases will start up. because its wrong to defile the temple god would say. but this is another topic, but its weird why gods answer works yet sciences doesnt.
your myopia is not evolution thats is illogical what need would we have to see things like flowers up close.

Well as humans we've created a whole new scenario for us to live in.
With advances in technology, we become lazier, and may lose a few things we don't need anymore.

I were green and blue contacts, because honestly my eyes are pitch black like the devils, lol just kidding, couldn't resist, no their just dark brown.

Well, we'd have to be able to look at minor details better, I mean in crowded enviroments, we would need it, basket weavers would need that ability to make a better basket, ask a far sighted person to knit, and she them cringe.

I have a tribal tattoo on my left bicep tricep. I've desecrated the temple of god oh no. I can name tons of priests with tattoos, and I can name you quite a few people who have had their eyeballs the eye itself tattooed, although that's a bit much for me... no needles in my eye, at freaking all.

I guess if you wanted to say, Swine flu, is an evolved 'being' if it's not too much. It's adapted.

You must accept first that said question, won't be filled with an answer on one page, it'll be many pages, of for some very boring #. I assure you it isn't, it's amazing.

The evolution you are thinking of is, genetic manipulation, that's man made evolution if at that, what natural evolution is, is more along the lines of natural selection.

Originally posted by make.changes

i have come to inform you that evolution is completly wrong and doesnt exist,. we will first start with the fact that scientists state that evolution is based on the supposed truth that evolution is supposed to be for the need to change fyi monkeys walking upright son they could see further and into the bushes. ill state that this is impossible because humans are the dominant species killing off multiple species and the ones that need to change would be the animals, but the animals arent evolving are they.

What the?

Evolution takes millions of years, not decades. And no, monkeys did not evolve to see further in bushes. You obviously as ignorant, as your argument is weak

they are being killed off at an alarming rate. fyi would supposedly mean that they would have to evolve faster. they are not evolving one bit they remain in there origional forms. and scientists are stating that humans are gonna evolve which doesnt make sense with their theory, because humans would have no need to change because of their dominance over other animal.

Same argument worded differently.....yep you're completely ignorant

science is inaccurate here it could be inaccurate in every other case too.

Ummmm, you dont seem to know enough of science to be able to have an opinion on it

my belief is science is from satan directly contradicting gods rule to make sure that god wouldnt necessarily win. those who believe in science generally stop believing in god. and those who use faith interface is part of the devils back up plan to directly relate science and god to make sure that the devil at least partly wins.

Again, you are wrong. Many scientists believe in god, so you are saying that god-believing scientists are satanists?

in conclusion evolution doesnt exist and science is the by product of the devil trying to win the giant power struggle thats been here since the beginning.

What the again?

You didnt prove anything. There nothing more to say, as your ignorance and one track mind is obvious. Stop polluting the ATS boards with your BS preaching....Its a good thing that not all Christian/ catholics etc have the same view point as you

And for this ridiculous, borderline idiotic post, you get a nice big facepalm

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Are you a linguist?
Are you fluent in Latin, Germanic, Arabic, Hebrew, French?
Do you understand the associative of the time period with the common language paraphrasing and markers?
Do you understand the "lazy" dialects of each as they become assimilated into another culture, either though conquering or intermixing from trade?
Are you aware of the French influences, on much of the higher languages, and dialects?
Are you even aware that you are typing in the highest/newest form of Germanic, with French, and Latin influences, not to mention the other simple words that have been added along the way?
Are you aware of anything to do with the common societal structures of the time period, that the bible is referring to?
Have you mastered a thesis in symbolism, and interpretation of metaphor?
Have you ever even looked at the philosophies of the elder cultures, and applied them to your findings?

With the myriad of researchers that have been trying to do just those things, amongst a needle stack of other disciplines needed to be applied to the interpretation of the bible, it brings us great pleasure to see that a layman has discovered the answers that have eluded so many for so long.
Could you post your clarifications, references and research so that all of us may better understand your prodigal work of intellect?




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could it be that maybe its not your genomes randomly mutating which actually makes no sense at all be cause it supposedly needs some reason to change. right?

No an organisms genome naturally mutates regardless, it happens all the time, just look at the plethora of genetic diseases we have for proof, we know this happens, we can and do observe it directly.

The majority of changes are neutral, some are negative and a few are beneficial. This is where natural selection, which is not random, takes over. In my prior example a random mutation would cause increased hair growth, in the temperate environment this would probably be neutral or negative thus it would not necessarily be passed on (it probably wouldn’t) in which case the species does not change. However if the climate changes and it becomes cold then this mutation is beneficial, members of the species who don’t have this mutation die out and so the mutation spreads. This process repeats itself (random mutation followed by natural selection) until the resulting population is so genetically different from its original form that members from both groups are incapable of exchanging genetic information (mating). Of course since the changes must necessarily be beneficial the original form is unlikely to last and will probably die out unless the two are separated such as would be the case if a group of fish is isolated in a lake due to seismic activity; this group, due to the impact of the different environment would take a different evolutionary path to members that were outside the lake.



In addition; I don’t think discussing current Human evolution is very relevant when it comes to determining whether evolutionary theory is correct. The reason being that our own evolution is so divorced from natural forces and so closely connected to our own conscious manipulation of the process that it isn’t really comparable to the process that affects other species or humans prior to modern understanding.

Originally posted by make.changes

i have come to inform you that evolution is completly wrong and doesnt exist,. we will first start with the fact that scientists state that evolution is based on the supposed truth that evolution is supposed to be for the need to change fyi monkeys walking upright son they could see further and into the bushes. ill state that this is impossible because humans are the dominant species killing off multiple species and the ones that need to change would be the animals, but the animals arent evolving are they. they are being killed off at an alarming rate. fyi would supposedly mean that they would have to evolve faster. they are not evolving one bit they remain in there origional forms. and scientists are stating that humans are gonna evolve which doesnt make sense with their theory, because humans would have no need to change because of their dominance over other animal.

this means in my opinion that genisis was real everything that was said in genisis is real.

science much like scientology was made up just to make people think that they knew about something they could never know without the faith which some athiests state is to hard to have; because they could never hold conviction for something that couldnt be proven except for the person that created the universe.

science is inaccurate here it could be inaccurate in every other case too.

my belief is science is from satan directly contradicting gods rule to make sure that god wouldnt necessarily win. those who believe in science generally stop believing in god. and those who use faith interface is part of the devils back up plan to directly relate science and god to make sure that the devil at least partly wins.

in conclusion evolution doesnt exist and science is the by product of the devil trying to win the giant power struggle thats been here since the beginning.

make.changes,

I appreciate your zeal for your faith, I think that's wonderful.

Please though take this as constructive criticism and not a personal attack when I state that your thought process is incorrect in a few areas.

1) "Science" is not something that can be "made up". Why? Well science is based on logic and reasoning and in order for you to claim that "science is not real" is to contradict yourself because you used logic and reasoning to come to that conclusion.

2) Satan did not create science (which contradicts your first claim that science was "made up"). Why? Well Satan has no creative powers at all. If you knew the Scriptures you would know that Satan can do nothing on his own, he's on a leash....a very short one.

3) Science does not "blind" Christians and science and God can co-exist happily together. In fact there is a slew of Christians who are brilliant scientists. Ever hear of Louis Pastuer?

Again, hope you take it as constructive criticism and not an attack and perhaps re-think your points.

id say it was an ordinance set by god to defend the body from bacteria. the whole world involves the circle of life. they live in harmony they were created perfectly to be able to co and interdepend off of each other. if they couldnt they would be to independent and the world would be chaos. all if these things have to be planned out to work. ill give you an example take a lake, in the lake you have multiple fish and multiple plants. they remain balanced they have natural predators and natural prey no interference. no fish added by humans. and there is enough fish for humans to survive at a correct poulation along with the other natural predators. i.e bears etc. the harmony is perfect the animals know what is right and what is not right. to take out of it. now we throw in some factors. we increase the poulation dramatically. we start over indulging on the fish . and the population goes down. so to correct this the humans start adding diffirent fish to the lake something non native. its a predator it eats everything thats meat it has no natural predator in the lake this throws off the whole circle of life in the lake, all of the fishes start getting eaten now to counter act this they throw in another predator one thats bigger to take out the other predator fish etc... you know where this is going another chaos cycle. a whole knew eco climate must be made just to maintain a harmony. we have to leave it natural the way things were. when we get involved with these lies like evolution, and believe in science we opened up pandoras box and created complete chaos no way to reverse it we have to leave it where it is at and let god fix it. everything that man has created has led to chaos but everything that god has made has been perfect. yes im bringing god into this!!!

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Who is that directed at?

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lol the best evidence of evelotion is desiese, it adapts at the fastest rate possible and is why antibotic stop work if used to much.

IT EVOLVES TO BE IMUNE!!!!

And for this ridiculous, borderline idiotic post, you get a nice big facepalm

lol too true

this means in my opinion that genisis was real everything that was said in genisis is real.

it may intrest you to know that those stories were stolen from the sumerians and changed to the name of one god. the 7 days of creation was origionly 7 tablets of creation. even noah was writen in their texts

unfortunaly those tablets are keep under lock and key so noone can translate the rest of it, typical