Timewave Zero - Nazi Germany and ( the current) United States - Correlation

I agree. I mean, showing how remorseful Germany is today (nowhere is more anti-Nazi than Germany), I would guess idk, maybe only 10% of Germans would have supported the actions of the Nazis had they known what was going on at the time?

Originally posted by pizzaguy
As I recall from the history I had read, the German propaganda machine was incredible. Most Germans had no clue what their government was doing or the reasons why as published later in history books. Most did not know of the active genocide the military was doing. Most believed Hitler was doing the right thing. The efficiency of the Nazi party was hailed and admired worldwide before ...well the end.

So the questions in my mind and likely many others is.....if the correlations are scarily so similar, what IS going on that we don't know? What will history say about the USA and its population when this era ends? And finally, what power is it that could possibly be playing this game over and over so much so that many of humanity's most brilliant minds and personalities can do nothing but participate?



PG

I really appreciate your input PG. I wish I had answers for you and for me too. I think that there is an awful lot of torturing and killing going on in the name of America right now. I think that history, if presented honestly, will undoubtedly be a lot more unkind than most of us are in regards to what we believe about the U.S. I'm still grappling with the idea of a ruling 'Elite' that transcends, trumps, and produces the world 'leaders' us peons really think we answer to. The folks around here are nudging me, sometimes dragging me, kicking, screaming and fighting every inch. I want so much to hold on to what I've believed, but it makes less and less sense every day.

So, if May 1942 = Aug 2009, then Aug 1945 = Nov 2012....

pretty close, but does it correspond.

Surrender of Japan, September 2, 1945 = Dec 2012

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I agree with PenandSword also Sanchoearlyjones is right on the money too.

Great thread OP, I give you a flag for your work, it is very interesting.

There has been alot of good replies worth reading but we must keep in mind that we should be nice to each other and not just reply to win an argument.

We are at the cycle of time now where we can let go of the ego.
The sooner we do this the sooner we can evolve.

PEACE and LOVE...

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To be quite honest, the comparison can easily be made. They are taking the strategies right out of the Nazi play book.

-Government control of corporations (namely defense (see GM and John Deere) and banking industry)
-Corporate special interest control of Government
-Inflation of the currency through rampant spending and control of the money supply
-Propaganda machine and Government control of the news
-Global War mongering
-Demonizing of another religion (this time the Muslims)
-False Flag attack to take away freedom in the name of security (see reichstag sp?)
-Most of the national budget being spent on militarization
-Obama's health care plan is almost identical to the plan Hitler would not even try to pass until he was in the middle of a war.

Which of course the Nazi's used previous tactics that worked from previous take overs of a country.

Interesting we are being compared to 1942. That is the year America ramped up and went to war with Germany outright and head-on. Of course Japan and Italy as well.

Ironically this time I believe it will be Americans again who will have been arming themselves (see guns sales over the past year via American citizens) and who will take down the latest edition of the Fascist / Nazi-Socialist regime.

The reason this pattern keeps repeating itself is because it is the same people who continue to engineer these global events to try and consolidate more power and control through the financial system, war, and subversion and corruption of representative Governments through out history and through out the world. One needs only to study history a little more closely to see the pattern repeat itself in all parts of the world and see who is behind it every time.

None the less fantastic thread! I hope Evasius does weigh in on this thread and topic a lot more. I always enjoy reading his posts.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
So, if May 1942 = Aug 2009, then Aug 1945 = Nov 2012....

pretty close, but does it correspond.

Surrender of Japan, September 2, 1945 = Dec 2012

I'm going to go out on a limb here, Free and say the correlation is pretty spot on. The Surrender of the Japanese in WWII matches up pretty well with the end of the available wave.

Here is the date of the surrender marked on the wave.

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And here is a not very exact, but IMO, pretty dang close correlation in 2012.

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The difference in these two slices, is obvious. The one in 1945 IMMEDIATELY starts a huge upward climb. The one in 2012 just dissolves.

This isn't an area I focused on, but I appreciate you bringing that to our attention.

My own ( awkward) personal experience with some control groups or watchers, is that they manipulate others like remote controlled chess pieces. Possibly, or more likely also connected to that Montaulk chair or Throne.

The timewave, which I'm not really familiar with, peaks may than also represent their power they have over us and our world like their own Signature. I suppose we might also find other historical writings which describe similar events, such as weather etc. even further back throughout our known history. Maybe even geological and in the ice cores?

Any planetary allignments as well? This could be from some other planet or solar system.

Originally posted by KSPigpen

It wasn't my intention to compare Obama, or ANYONE with Hitler, really...I think Hitler was probably as much of a figurehead as anyone else. The extreme use of propaganda really preceded Hitler into office anyway.
One of the points was the comparison of the 'mood' of the people then and now. Things really stunk for most people in Germany and along came some promises and some guys that really seemed like patriots. The resulting empire was a lot different that what the people of Germany had bargained for.

How was the mood at that time and what makes you think so that that was the mood in Germany at that time? I know that Germany was in a very good mood, there was only war abroad at the beginning of World War 2. for Germans the real war started on May 30th 1942 with the Bombardment on Cologne but it didn't kill their spirit, that was done afterwards as they were framed with something also known as the Holocaust!

I have now seen the famous German leader and also some of the great change that he has caused. Whatever you think of his methods, - and there are unquestionably not such as in a Parliamentary country - there is no doubt that he has accomplished a miraculous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude to each other and in their social and economic appearance. For the first time since the war, there is a general feeling of safety. The people are cheerful. It is because in the whole country is a general happiness noticeable. It is a happier Germany. I've seen it everywhere, and fellow country people I've met during my trip to Germany were well aware of the changes and were deeply impressed. One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a sincere intention, a resolute will and a fearless heart. (Lloyd George, former British Prime Minister about the German Reich Daily Express, September 17. 1936)

I have spent the past 25 years keeping a daily graph of the 8 Chinese aspects of my health along with a daily journal. In my journal I list the Moon Phase, the Astrological Sign that the Sun and Moon are in, and any events in my daily routine that might have influenced aspects of my health (such as diet, amount of sleep, stressors, etc). Over that long of a segment of time, I have noticed distinct influences and trends that are not related to any external stimuli in my everyday life. Originally I considered the possibility that these would correspond with Bio-rhythms, but over time it is clear that they do not (and in the process dispelled the concept of Bio-rhythms as being universal), although they are definitely cyclical. There is an alternating 27.5/29-day cycle that repeats (most likely Lunar), a 42-day cycle that repeats (possibly hormonal), a 366.5-day cycle that repeats (I found it odd that it wasn't exactly Solar, although it was close) and a 7-year cycle (biological).

In this Microcosmic example, my response to events that occur in my life can be determined with accuracy according to where in those cycles I fall.

It would entirely stand to reason that on a larger scale, Civilization would have similar cycles and responses to events that occur in the course of that Civilization could be determined with accuracy according to where in those cycles it fell.

Although the cycles may be repeating, the responses aren't always going to be identical, although they will have startling similarities. The responses are going to be tempered by Cultural differences, but they will follow similar trends.

Whether the concept of Timewave Zero is entirely accurate or not still has not been satisfactorily determined, but the premise of cyclical patterns in time I am satisfied is a sound enough premise.

One of the 7 Universal Truths is the Principle (or Law) of Rhythm. ''Everything Flows Out And In; Everything Has Its Tides; All Things Rise And Fall; The Pendulum Swing Manifests In Everything. The Measure Of The Swing To The Right Is The Measure Of The Swing To The Left; Rhythm Compensates.. This Hermetic Axiom is reinforced by modern Science by Planck's Wave Theory (now considered a Law and the basis for Quantum Physics). Modern Science however, considers Laws of Physics to only pertain to Physical Matter and fail to realize, unlike Ancient Hermetics, that Universal Constants or Laws pertain to all things, including such things as Sociology and Anthropology.

However, there is another part to Planck's Wave Theory that was not considered by the Ancient Hermetics, that being that when two separate waves are generated, one at the frequency of the maximum amplitude of a wave, and one at the frequency of the lowest amplitude of a wave, then that original wave will become negated.

Why do I mention this?

Because that is the way that a Culture can free themselves from being influenced by these Cyclical Rhythms in Time!

The Law of Causation, or Cause and Effect is another Universal Constant that we cannot avoid. When stimulated in a certain way, we will respond and that response tends to be in a certain way. As we cannot escape this Universal Constant, we can influence how that Cause stimulates a Response and thereby change the Effect.

When we recognize that Time, just as everything else that exists, exists in Waves, and acknowledge these Cyclical Patterns, we can utilize those to modify not only our own responses to Causes, but the responses of Society.

The point of it all, is that I don't think the OP is very far off from the Mark, and the Theory is sound. This is precisely why it is paramount as a Culture that we must never forget the lessons of the Past...so that we may condition ourselves so that we may have a different response to a similar Cause when the same Cycle reoccurs all over again.

Originally posted by Haunebu

How was the mood at that time and what makes you think so that that was the mood in Germany at that time? I know that Germany was in a very good mood, there was only war abroad at the beginning of World War 2. for Germans the real war started on May 30th 1942 with the Bombardment on Cologne but it didn't kill their spirit, that was done afterwards as they were framed with something also known as the Holocaust!

The word 'mood' was just my typical human reaction...trying to label things with a word that makes 'sense' to me.

I know the German people were feeling pretty fine about then...If I HAD to speculate, which I will, in 1942, the war had been raging for some time. I would be willing to bet a couple dollars that there was growing, if not sparse disillusionment, much the same as we are experiencing now.

Perhaps it was even more widespread than what the typical German citizen may have been aware of...again, maybe much like the US now...

I am not going to get into defending, or bashing Hitler. Although he happened to be the 'leader' of the Nazi party at the time, his presence is merely a footnote in the overall discussion at hand. His abilities as a leader, or the validity of his party are not the focus of this discussion and I won't delve any deeper into that.

This is also not the place to debate the occurrence of the Holocaust. There are other threads for that. If we wish, we can completely ignore that event, or 'non-event' what ever your beliefs are, and still not impact the discussion. That one event, though referenced in the Op, is again, just a tertiary item and not really pertinent to the discussion.

Thanks for your input.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by KSPigpen]

I haven't posted much on this board (yet), so I'm still a novice

However, I think the OP is on to something here. Also, considering that there is an established fact that Wall Street financed the rise of Hitler and Nazi-Germany. This may not be what we are tought in class though, for obvious reasons...

So, it seems that the same players are playing the same ball-game all over again...and why shouldn't they? After all they own the ball-park, the referees, the players, the spectators and the scoreboard. Whatever the outcome - they win



[edit on 26-8-2009 by Koyaanisqatsi]

I wonder what the timewave looks like comparing the beginning of the depression to the beginning of our economic crisis i.e. sept 08 and (?) 29?
Or maybe we could compare our current timewave and the period directly before the civil war,many think we are headed toward civil revolt and there has been some talk of secession.

Certainly dont want to derail the thread,very interesting read.

August 26, 2009 - December 21, 2012, matches exactly, May 14, 1942 - September 9, 1945, the date most the Japanese in Asia surrender to the Allies.

A few of the spikes in the chart:
July 14, 1942
September 21, 1942
January 22, 1943
March 25, 1943
October 6, 1943
December 8, 1943
August 19, 1944
December 26, 1944
September 9, 1945

Draw your own conclusions.

I am not sure just where to start or even how to express my views here, bear with me. First I too have a hard time trying to gather up and factualize this data. Being human we sometimes place things in an order that while it makes sense carries no weight. There definitely are correlations that place us in certain parallel aspects of the Third Reich. There is also beginning to be a shift in the conscienceness of the population. The split is widening quickly and an escalation in events sf evident to even the lesser observant of the population. However it is hard to bring to mind that TPTB are as advanced in their planning and development as appearances dictate.

Unlike Sancho my religious beliefs coincide with what is taking place. [we must agree to disagree here, but I think we can come to terms without name calling or hissy fits] I cannot say that he is wrong, but I do see a differing side to his argument. The esoteric shift that is starting to appear may be from areas or reasons that could be beyond our understanding, but it is still there.

We have all come to the conclusion that someone or something is higher up on the chain of command. To those here it is a logical step, but hard to come to grips with. How can someone or something have so much control but remain so well hidden?

whatever the case may be we truly are living in interesting times. I just hope that our paranoia is not kicking into overdrive and we are seeing things that are not there. On the over hand we are advised to be ever vigilant and to prepare. There just appears to be to many coincidences that are happening way to fast to be just mere coincidences. There is something in the air and it smells putrid.

Thanks for letting me rant and perhaps place another idea into the discussion.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

I couldn't help but notice on your timewave overlay that they are essentially the same form, only that one is a compressed version of the other. This also fits in nicely with timewave zero as we accelerate towards the endpoint of 2012. great thread pigpen.

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Your study of cycles is truly an ancient knowledge. I am fascinated by your findings...

How do you define your cycles? How you felt through out the cycle on an emotional level? A physical level? Was it financial?

I guess what I am asking what aspect of your life did you find to be cyclical as it corresponds to the cycles that you said you discovered in your life?

Originally posted by KSPigpen
I don't WANT to compare the United States to Nazi Germany. What I see happening is very frightening to me. I've been in a daze for a week, trying to make sense of it.

I don't think Obama is Hitler, or that Bush is Hitler, or that Americans are Nazis. What I honestly DO think, is that Americans are being led down a very dangerous road. The typical American is extremely patriotic and dedicated to his country. That is being taken advantage of. I just can't escape the feeling that we will be looking back, ashamed of how we were duped as a nation, just like the Germans.

When I was a small child my Great Grandmother on my mother's side told me about the horrors of Nazi Germany. She and the families of her sisters were Austrian and came to America after the War. After being told the stories of the German atrocities that the Austrians were complicit in, being only 5 years old I still condemned their complicity and had a lot of anger about it. My Great Grandmother insisted that at the time they, just like many Germans, didn't know what was going on, and that the horrors that were being committed weren't discovered by many of the German and Austrian people until towards the end of the War. I could not understand how someone could be ignorant of those things going on around them, and stand idly by while they happened. I held a lot of animosity towards my Maternal Great Grandmother for that reason, even though I knew she was a good person, with a good heart, and strong moral character.

It wasn't until the aftermath of 9/11 that I began to understand what my Great Grandmother and the rest of her family had gone through. I saw earnestly good people fall into the trap of Nationalistic Patriotism, hook-line-and-sinker, and stand idly by while their government did horrific things in their name. I now understand all too well how it can happen to us all over again, when we should have learned the first time and been wise enough to prevent it from happening a second time.

People aren't bad by nature, and Americans aren't bad because of the things our government does in our name. However, one has to ask the long, difficult question of how could we silently stand by and let our government kill Liberty, Justice, Freedom and Democracy? And still, right after 9/11 no one tried stopping our leaders until many years later! Even today, no one has brought them forward for their crimes! Are we so apathetic that we cast our vote of approval through our inaction?

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...and when you are asked to make a compromise for those seemingly good intentions, it's easier to surrender a little bit of your rights to get something else in return, justifying the means with the end. However, after you've done that enough times you find yourself somewhere you would have never chosen to be in a million lifetimes, a silent partner in crimes and atrocities you would have never committed yourself or allowed to happen if you hadn't been led there unknowingly with baby-steps along the way.

Divided and conquered
Gripped by fear
Wishful thinking that it can't happen here
It's well underway but nobody knows
A repeat of history
That's how it goes

Tell the people that they're under attack
By man-eating foes from Mars or Iraq
Mobilize outrage
Muzzle dissent
Send in the troops
Strike to pre-empt

Control the airwaves
Fuel the reaction
Use every weapon of mass-distraction
Turn active people into passive consumers
Feed 'em bogus polls and hare-brained rumours
Cut back civil rights
Make no mistake
Tell 'em Homeland Security is now at stake
Whip up a frenzy, keep 'em suspended
Don't let 'em know that their Liberty's ended

Everything goes in the desperate states
The veneer of Democracy rapidly fades
Wreak total havoc on all opposition
In any event fulfill your mission
Totalitarian media sensation
You will give them domination

Never mind they call you a liar and thief
By now you're undisputed Commander-in-Chief!

~Stars and Stripes, KMFDM

[edit on 26-8-2009 by fraterormus]

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I've always seen exactly what you've said as a HUGE factor for "them" starting these wars, invading and occupying various countries. The same has been said about why we went into Vietnam.

reply to post by fraterormus


Your input, as always Frat, is greatly appreciated. Without schmoozing too much, I have to say that your words make a lot of sense to me.

People aren't bad by nature, and Americans aren't bad because of the things our government does in our name. However, one has to ask the long, difficult question of how could we silently stand by and let our government kill Liberty, Justice, Freedom and Democracy? And still, right after 9/11 no one tried stopping our leaders until many years later! Even today, no one has brought them forward for their crimes! Are we so apathetic that we cast our vote of approval through our inaction?

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...and when you are asked to make a compromise for those seemingly good intentions, it's easier to surrender a little bit of your rights to get something else in return, justifying the means with the end. However, after you've done that enough times you find yourself somewhere you would have never chosen to be in a million lifetimes, a silent partner in crimes and atrocities you would have never committed yourself or allowed to happen if you hadn't been led there unknowingly with baby-steps along the way.

I suppose this is where I was trying to go, without really knowing how to get there. It would seem to me that our 'patriotism' almost gives license to those that would commit these crimes in our name. We are so quick to make sure we are on the right end of the angry, pitchfork-wielding mob that reason and manipulation are the last thing on our minds.
'Don't make waves.'
'Don't get singled out.'
If you protest too loudly, then you are the enemy.
I was thoroughly intrigued by your representation of the cyclical nature of your own life as I had a small epiphany along those lines this last week. I noticed not only was the world seemingly moving in a pattern, my life and events around me seemed to be as well. I would very much wish that you could expand on that for us. In a way, it made me wonder about the application of a similar wave to my own life and I think you have some very valuable information that is applicable to our individual journeys and I so hope that you will be willing to donate a little of your time to helping us all understand that a little better
Thank you very much for your contributions, Frat.