Timewave Zero - Nazi Germany and ( the current) United States - Correlation

Originally posted by Wachstum
I really have no clue what is going on here. The OP seems to think, that the USA, a nation of utter democracy is comparable to the horrors of Nazi Germany. Everyone in this thread approves with this notion and the last poster publicly reveals himself as a fascist, with his "Heil Hitler". A remark, by the way, that is in germany illegal.

It's not funny anymore

Psst.. the USA is a republic.. not a democracy

Exactly how germany was til hitler took power

as to the 'horrors of nazi germany' not being anything like what the USA is? I agree. we streamline it better.

How many iraqis have died so far in the war over there? how many afghanis?


I get your point, I really do. Just pointing out that there's a certain "spirit" of things that gets involved in these cycles, and if you look at things from an objective standpoint, the similarities are in existence.


Does not make it right. Just there.

Edit to add :

By the way, if you still think we are an 'utter democracy', i'll point out to you how the whole bailout bill situation went. were we an actual democracy and things worked how they're supposed to, those bills never would have come to fruitiion. The american public was overwhelmingly against them.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by Jomina]

It is not just Hitler which correlates but Napoleon as well.

Below is the timewave in Napoleons rule.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4557a3ba92fa.jpg[/atsimg]

Which is also the same image as Todays graph. Napoleon ruled from 1804 to 1815. So it would resonate in the coming months.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/80da260a75ef.jpg[/atsimg]


Now when you compare the Nazis on the graph in 1942 you also get the same graph pattern. Most specifically between May 1942 to September 1942.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0c20c9ece8e8.jpg[/atsimg]

So I would say that the next few months may resonate with Imperial ambitions.

(Sorry if the graphs aren't definate enough)

The 'news' outlet in Germany was the "Wolf"
We have a FOX

The OP has some valid ideas to whats going on. Lets not ruin the thread with foolishness on whos a nazi and whos a socialist. When you do that you are playing into the shadowy talons of the elite. There Motto has always been "Divide & Conquor". Your fear is giving them the energy they need to exist.
On a more lighter side.
"obi-wan...don't give into hate, that leads to the darkside".
Yeah you might laugh and say theres another SW person. But if you look closly you might just learn some truths even written by SF writers.

So good job on the thread OP, and keep up your searching for the truth.

OK.

It is almost impossible for you to NOT find a correlation between periods of time. There always will be some bad dude, some bad # happenning, thats our world, and its never going to change man. So, 1 year from now, another guy will post here another thread about a correlation between @$¨¨ and $#¨&& ... lets see if my magic powers will predict the future

reply to post by Faiol


It's not just the "bad dude and bad stuff happening" that is the kicker to all of it, Faiol


It's that the whole flavor of the events are the same. the same "theme" if you will. That adds a whole new element to it all, and is NOT just some "random" stuff

INTERESTING alittle T.M.I. but history does keep repeating itself ! not strange ! the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results ! the whole world has gone mad ! lol !

Originally posted by JayinAR
Hey, I'm sure this will make a great thread. And I don't want to distract from it too much. Also, I haven't read it.

However, I did make it through about two paragraphs and thought I might point out that we had journalists observing battle, and writing about it, during the revolutionary war.

Just a part of war.

Yeah. I know that journalism has been part of wars, in one way or another, probably since wars have existed..what struck me as odd was the obvious need to 'spin' the war...this isn't a new practice either. Thanks for your input.

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Nice Post OP!!! That's crazy, it matches up identically.

Here's something odd for you guys. I was showing my work mate the Timewave when he said wait a minute, he then showed me the Dow stock trends he was looking at and, wow !!it is incredibly close to the Timewave .
Have a look, it's a 5 year trend. You can put your cursor at any point on the chart and it will tell you the date.
moneycentral.msn.com...

Originally posted by Faiol
OK.

It is almost impossible for you to NOT find a correlation between periods of time. There always will be some bad dude, some bad # happenning, thats our world, and its never going to change man. So, 1 year from now, another guy will post here another thread about a correlation between @$¨¨ and $#¨&& ... lets see if my magic powers will predict the future

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the timewave based on fractals? so wouldn't you expect to find patterns like these all over the timewave? add that to the confirmation bias and you get this thread...

Originally posted by Haunebu
When do people start to open up their eyes?
Comparing Obama with Hitler is comparing Apples with Peaches!
I don't understand how most of the ATSers that question everything else, don't question the events of WW2 and before. I also think that the comparison on the timewave-table is wrong, I think you should use another starting date, like 1933, the year Hitler was elected.

Heil Hitler!

It wasn't my intention to compare Obama, or ANYONE with Hitler, really...I think Hitler was probably as much of a figurehead as anyone else. The extreme use of propaganda really preceded Hitler into office anyway.
One of the points was the comparison of the 'mood' of the people then and now. Things really stunk for most people in Germany and along came some promises and some guys that really seemed like patriots. The resulting empire was a lot different that what the people of Germany had bargained for.

Originally posted by Wachstum
I really have no clue what is going on here. The OP seems to think, that the USA, a nation of utter democracy is comparable to the horrors of Nazi Germany. Everyone in this thread approves with this notion and the last poster publicly reveals himself as a fascist, with his "Heil Hitler". A remark, by the way, that is in germany illegal.

It's not funny anymore

Wow. Perhaps I made the post too long to read. There is a correlation between the propaganda used by both of these empires, and whether you choose to believe it or not, they are both walking down some very similar roads when it comes to policies, foreign and domestic. It certainly doesn't mean I think that the US is the same as Nazi Germany. What it means is that Germany was led astray. Why do you think 'Heil Hitler' is illegal? They were made promises by 'patriots' and watched as their rights were eroded, in the name of 'protecting' them from the group that had been made out to be the 'monsters.'
We have our own 'protectors' today and our own 'monsters.' If you feel like doing a little exercise, look up Nazi propaganda. Read a few of the speeches, and substitute the word 'terrorists' for the word 'Jews.' It's no different.
This isn't an argument about the Jews. It's an argument about what happens, when you combine a made up villain with made up patriotism.

reply to post by Persicoana


Wow! Thank you so much for digging that up for us. I was so fixated on what I had been lead to that I didn't even think about looking at that any further. I knew, in my heart, that Russia was a good indicator of similarities there...of arrogant disregard by emperors, but didn't think to go further back...thank you!

Originally posted by Faiol
OK.

It is almost impossible for you to NOT find a correlation between periods of time. There always will be some bad dude, some bad # happenning, thats our world, and its never going to change man. So, 1 year from now, another guy will post here another thread about a correlation between @$¨¨ and $#¨&& ... lets see if my magic powers will predict the future

Not sure where you're going with this. I have no interest in 'predicting' the future, and I thought I was pretty clear in that. I had a feeling that what I was seeing play out, had been played out before. In a year, it IS likely that there WILL be another thread about this, because there always ARE correlations. Of course, I can look at yesterday, and compare it to the battle of Gettysburg....but there just isn't the similarity there.

As I recall from the history I had read, the German propaganda machine was incredible. Most Germans had no clue what their government was doing or the reasons why as published later in history books. Most did not know of the active genocide the military was doing. Most believed Hitler was doing the right thing. The efficiency of the Nazi party was hailed and admired worldwide before ...well the end.

So the questions in my mind and likely many others is.....if the correlations are scarily so similar, what IS going on that we don't know? What will history say about the USA and its population when this era ends? And finally, what power is it that could possibly be playing this game over and over so much so that many of humanity's most brilliant minds and personalities can do nothing but participate?



PG

At what point in the future, given this timeline, will it correspond to the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Outstanding thread KSPigpen, you've brought my attention to something I'd been overlooking. I use the oldest version of the software (DOS 4.3) which was designed in 1993. I use it not for it's ease of use, but for the fact that all output from that program has been in place for 16 years. That means the period of 9/11 was officially predicted by this software 8 years prior and pointed to that time as being highly significant, our current economic crisis was present on the graph 15 years prior, and the upcoming event window of late October has been marked as momentous now for 16 years. The original output of the program goes back to the 80's when McKenna was developing the first versions (and much much further considering it's based on the Ancient Chinese Book of Changes - The I-Ching).

Regarding this version of Timewave Zero, the output is quite different and can't be viewed as a long, thin linear wave like that of new flash versions. This is the only reason I can think of for overlooking one major resonance level in the program. I have been focused on the last major cycle (we're currently tracking along with June of 1800). We recently passed the death of George Washington and Napoleon's 1799 coup d'état where installed himself as First Consul, and subsequently ruler of France. Oddly enough, today we resonate with June 2, 1800 (June 2 – First smallpox vaccination is made in North America, at Trinity, Newfoundland.)

When you first proposed that we are repeating the WWII era, I replied with my own feelings that, yes, there seems to be a correlation, however mostly in 'feeling.' The nature of the present has some eerie similarities, and seems to be repeating, but in a way like fashions and music styles seem to repeat. Social Cycle Theory came to mind, but given my major focus of the last major cycle, I completely overlooked the time period approaching the Hiroshima blast on August 6, 1945. That event was the major event McKenna anchored the Timewave graph to, and that event which he considered to be the most 'novel' event of the 20th Century determined the subsequent zero date of 2012.

That event marked the transition from the previous cycle to the next and was present on the graph as a 'mini-2012' where ultimate novelty was achieved and the cycles were joined by a small pivot point where the graph suddenly began to climb again into the 50's, 60's and so on.

Just before the blast, the Timewave played out just as it is (and will) play out 2009 - 2012, and the resonance follows the present at an almost equal pace (which is fascinating and very odd).

So, the current resonances are now:

June 1800 and
mid-May 1942

That opens a whole new can o' worms and brings an entirely new and unsettling outlook for the next few years. For me, it just confirms many of these suspicions I've had about what I feel to be happening and what I see happening. This gives our endeavors another dimension.

FYI the upcoming October 25th dip resonates with mid-July 1942 which was a heavy and eventful time to say the least.

I'll come back later with some of my own screenshots from the program and explain the Hiroshima pivot point (which we will encounter again around December 1, 2011 - this is where the next and last major cycle will begin before December of 2012).

[edit on 26/8/09 by Evasius]

i think you're on to something. today DEFINITELY resembles Germany c. 1934.

PigPen, This is some terrific work!!

I think it is very pertinent that the majority of the German People were being deceived and were supporting their military and political leaders out of a strong sense of Patriotism and Loyalty, much as we do today!

Hitler/Bush/Obama and most other household names are probably figure heads for a bigger agenda. It should be fairly obvious to us common people when a House Painter, C-student, or Complete Unknown rise to great power in short time and are readily accepted by the masses, that something is amiss?

We are certainly paddling along in a similar boat to the Germans. Abu Ghraib was abhorrent to most Americans, but it came in and out of the spotlight rather quickly, and was passed off as some anomaly during wartime. (I wonder what rumors or anomalies the Germans were able to pass off?) We are conditioned that supporting the majority of the troops is more important than criticizing the few. Gitmo is a similar situation, as are the detainment of many American citizens without due process!! Things are eroding fast, but we are bombarded with sacrificing for the "Greater Good" or safety, or comfort, or economics!

The propaganda machine is probably a worldwide conspiracy! For example, WHO has not followed their own guidelines and mandates related to a Level 6 pandemic, because it would be too damaging to world economics. So it is fairly obvious where the importance lies! Money trumps Safety, or safety was never an issue and Propaganda trumps Truth!

Just yesterday, Obama's administration was touting Bernanke's wonderful leadership and how he had guided us through such a tough economic time and now he was the guy to lead us in recovery?!? I guess they think the trouble is over?

Propaganda - Propaganda - Propaganda!

reply to post by Evasius

Just before the blast, the Timewave played out just as it is (and will) play out 2009 - 2012, and the resonance follows the present at an almost equal pace (which is fascinating and very odd).

I am so glad you mentioned this, Evasius. I thought I must surely be doing something wrong. With the contractions of the wave, I thought that surely, the resonance wouldn't be as close to real-time as it appears to be when I looked at it...the sections I used were both about ten years long and were about the same size...my first thought was that the current cycle should be much more compact than the one during WWII, but they seemed to be about the same length. Of course, it was just a short while back.
I really appreciate you stopping by.