A thoughtful counter discussion to the thread: Answers I received from my pendulum.

As I read the posts from "Answers I received from my pendulum", I feel that too many people are buying into the direct answers being served left and right, and I am putting my post on a new thread in the hope that some reason will reach someone here on ATS. This first post is to the original.

These are some wonderful answers and some disturbing ones as well. However, you have to remember that the yes/no format is very specific. For instance, you asked are we heading for world war three. Yes, is the answer, but the way you phrased the question limits the energy from giving you a truly accurate answer. Are we heading, does not mean there will be a world war three, and the second question "Will it happen in five years?" is specifically running from your perspective of what you believe a world war three to be.

Since you asked the pendulum (which is in reality the cosmic energy that oracles tap into like the Sybils) a question based from a particular answer and perspective based on the original answer, it can easily mislead you from a more accurate response.

Augury is a not a clear cut science, but it is a science of analyzing current trends to foresee future ones. Weather forecasting is predicting the future, sure with better tools you get a clearer picture, but in the weather business they say that flipping a coin is just as accurate as a long term forecast and is considerably cheaper. Really!

A pendulum is an ancient tool that gives black and white answers. Many times that will suffice, but will not afford the same accuracy and answers that tea readings, rune casting, or even chicken entrails can produce. An old man's trick knee can indeed predict a storm, his joints are simply responding to atmospheric changes in pressure and temperature allowing him a fairly accurate insight to when a "Big one" is going to hit.

The more complicated the tool, the deeper the insight (tarot for instance), but can also leave you mired in a jumble of images and information that takes away from the clear cut answers that a pendulum can provide (but a pendulum cannot give more than a yes or no answer). If you take what you received as solid fact, you are missing the point of the process.

Modify your questions even slightly and you may just get an entirely different answer (like maybe, or yes\no if the pendulum remains stationary) and can enrich your divination experience. More advanced techniques will illustrate my point far more clearly. It is a science, and through observation, formulating hypothesis', continuing the observations, while modifying your techniques as you go, you will be amazed at what you can discover.

What is world war three to you? That conjures up many images, and yes or no, cannot possibly answer the questions as accurately as you would hope. Ask in terms of what is needed and what is best, and the answers will flow far better than you can imagine.

Do not take much stock in what you were told, try again, and again, and again. Then the potential of future events will reveal themselves. You have to trust, and keep an open mind.

Good luck!

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After reading more and more posters asking a slew of questions, as if this is truly the end all of divination sessions, I tried my own divination session to prove a point. Here goes.

This is not as accurate as one would think. Simple yes/no questions are not the answer. Just a possibility.

"This was one of the questions asked, ugh."

Can humans fly = no response OR MAYBE, OR YES and NO, OR please ask again, etc.

This is misleading. I hope that someone read my previous post. Here is my augury. A U shaped piece of ceramic is tossed on my desk, if it lands in The U position the OP's readings are inaccurate, if it lands in an n shape then the readings are accurate, if it lands in a ( shape then they are mostly accurate and if it lands in a ) shape then it is mostly inaccurate.

First question: Are her readings accurate? n = Accurate

Second question: Is she accurately interpreting her readings ) = Mostly Inaccurate, with a slight leaning towards Accurate.

I won't bother you people again. It is good to have some faith in this though. P.S. I just made another reading and most people on this thread aren't even going to read what I have posted. Crap!

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I totally agree with you

Unfortunantly your work here will be ignored. I think its a case of wanting to believe so things so much, that anything logical or anything that challenges the pendulums results will be looked down upon.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Yeah, I know it is depressing.

Good to see you though! It's been awhile.

It is really wonderful to see people actually show interest in divination, but then they will just open their mouths and swallow whatever is fed from this person.

You personally know all about divination! Well weather forecasting. Your opinions and perspectives are a welcome change.

Asking a pendulum for answers is like asking the first computer to ever exist, if you are really in love. yes and no are simple binary code. Do you want a computer to tell you how to live your life? Not me. And I certainly would not trust a computer that can only answer in binary...at least some Java programming would be required for me to even be intrigued

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reply to post by Mr. Toodles


Definitely! I have found myself believing all sorts of 'crazy' stuff over the years, but the one quartz crystal pendulum I did own sat on my desk collecting dust for years till I gave it away to a good home.

Even 'maybe' opens up a world of possibilities that 10101010101010101 really doesn't impress to me. What is crappy, is she is getting the professional psychic treatment, when what few good readers there are (few and far between) are on the verge of starving.

The bad ones have all the money, one tried to charge me 500 dollars for an 80 dollar cydonna (I can't remember how it is spelled anymore, not from mars only place on Earth they are found) crystal and some home made candles. Frauds, mostly. Not to mention she had the attitude of the ancients going against her what a B****.

what you fail to understand, is that my thread was for entertainment purposes only, not to be taken as answers people should live their lives based on

if you cannot understand that, then you take everything way too seriously in life and need to calm down a bit.

not to mention, i have never and would never charge a person for answering questions on the pendulum. that is ludicrous. it was a skill taught to me from my mother.

do not criticize something you do not understand. do you know if anything in reality is the way you see it? do you not think that some magic is real? get off your "scientific" pedastool of whats possible and whats not possible. you do not know. nor does anyone. so do not pretend that you do



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reply to post by calihan_12


That is the standard excuse. More than a few people will not just see it as entertainment.

Please don't excuse your shilling answers to life's problems and current social issues with the entertainment clause.
That is not professional, and giving those answers without showing more self responsibility is reckless and dangerous and you are damaging other people's reputations who make a living at it.

When science is taken as entertainment, people can get hurt. People could believe you are an expert, when anyone with a rock and string can do the same. It is not coming off as entertainment.

Shame on you!

reply to post by calihan_12


Science is a means of understanding the universe and our place in it, magic is also another means of doing so.

I even gave a reading, and it said you were misinterpreting the readings!!

I am discrediting your attitude, not divination. You didn't read my posts and gain the understanding you need from it, nor did I say you took money at all.

Then as a last resort, you have to try to discredit me. This is the standard attitude.

well, i am quite experienced in it, so its not like im some random person with a rock on a string spewing false answers.

i was sincerely doing what i could to answer the questions i recieved in the best way i could, with a clear mind, and many of the other people who were doing the same got very similar answers as i did.

if people want to believe every word they hear from a person, thats not my fault, nor my responsibilty. people can still live their lives in what ever way they choose to do so, and can still believe whatever theories they want.

so im deeming your argument as pointless for the time being, because in all seriousness, im really pretty positive the people on ATS are not that stupid and they still have their own minds, regardless of what i or anyone else tells them

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reply to post by calihan_12


Of course you are going to disregard what I am saying.

I was simply giving you better access to the concepts of divination, and you are taking it as a personal affront. I was gentle in my first post, and was simply trying to explain to you a better way to ask and glean the information.

You are a fraud! You prove it with your anger towards even my initial post. Stop making excuses and getting angry, you could hurt people!

"Oh they aren't stupid" is an ignorant thing to say, and I will not back down, when hard working men and women's (mostly women, but some men choose the life of divination) suffer, every time someone like you gives instant answers and solutions.

Deny Ignorance, yet you just flung a stream of it at me. And the people who don't just accept what you tell them can see the difference.

i didnt call them stupid, i was saying you are practically calling them stupid, because you are making it out as though none of them have their own brain and mind and thoughts, and that they only rely on one random person to answer lifes questions. they dont. they were having fun.

end of story.

I'm sorry to barge in on this thread - I understand it is apparently meant for a discussion between people with a more serious and as you mentioned professional understanding of divination but I must ask one thing.

Why the panic? The thread you are questioning was/is fun for those that are participating. I myself read it, smiled, dabbled a little and had fun. The world is filled with uncertainties, crisis and it seems that every day there are new bad news to depress us all. It was refreshing for me tonight to spend some time reading and posting on an entertaining thread enjoying nice music and gentle (if a bit colder than I would like ) summer breeze through an open window.

So I thank calihan for providing a very simple thread that amidst all the bad news made me and a lot of other members smile and have some fun.

Like my father always said - "those with a sense of humour always get the last laugh."

Cheers.

thank you for your input. i am happy to hear you enjoyed it, and thats what matters to me.

a few negative comments amongst many positive comments wont crush my soul too much

reply to post by InTrueFiction


Well, panic isn't really the issue here. Ozweatherman got it right. Simple as that.

If you mean this:

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I think its a case of wanting to believe so things so much, that anything logical or anything that challenges the pendulums results will be looked down upon.

I think that is panic.



Without any bad will towards you or Oz I think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing. I don't think ATS is crowded with people dangerously close to falling into blind belief. I trust the good sense and intellect of every single member here and do not feel any dire need to protect them from any given thread that might threaten to drastically propel them away from logical thought. (That is even a bit arrogant if you think about it)

And if people on ATS decide to believe any given theory, faith or philosophy... I give them full responsability and right to do so and will not appoint myself or anyone else as the guardian of their sense of logic and reason.

It is just my opinion on the matter though and I hope you don't find me offensive.

Originally posted by calihan_12
not to mention, i have never and would never charge a person for answering questions on the pendulum. that is ludicrous. it was a skill taught to me from my mother.

do not criticize something you do not understand. do you know if anything in reality is the way you see it? do you not think that some magic is real? get off your "scientific" pedastool of whats possible and whats not possible. you do not know. nor does anyone. so do not pretend that you do



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I know you were just trying to make a point. But there is no "real" magic. I know, because I know how to perform several illusions.

Upon first seeing them, I was stunned. Impossible I thought, there's no way. Then I learned how they were done, and it totally removed the pleasure of the magic cause it was so mundane and obvious once I knew.

reply to post by InTrueFiction


Well maybe I find your feelings on this are contributing to a lack of responsibility in posting. This is not to make anyone afraid at all.

Wouldn't saying yes to world war three spread far more panic, than saying that there is the possibility for misinterpretation? She said the pendulum said there is going to be a world war in five years. That can create panic.

Deny Ignorance, don't encourage it.

However, thank you very much for taking a very calm approach to this, and no matter how much I disagree with you, I will defend your right to argue my positions. Period.

My initial post (as well as the others) had nothing to do with panic, and everything to do with accountability. That responsibility first lies with the poster. All I am getting at is the accuracy is suspect, and if even one person takes it seriously, there is a problem. I don't want anyone to panic. That is very much the spirit of what I am posting.

Then my credibility is attacked, for feeling that a little more reserve should be taken. If it were all in fun, then why have I been attacked?

I seem to be missing the "counter" here. The OP of this thread seems to be quoting other posts, without offering much in the way of comment or evidence of a position. I'm not sure what the point of that is.

Instead of "buying into" or rejecting the notion of pendulum divination, why not put it to a test? That would take it out of the realm of opinion, and into that of rational examination.

The trick is to devise a set of questions that fit the following criteria:

• Must be yes/no answers
  
• Answers must be unknown now
  
• Issue needs to be time limited - resolve in, say, 3 months
  
• Odds of either answer should be close to 50-50
  

If we can come up with a set of about 20 questions, then that should be enough for at least a preliminary test. What I propose is that the questions be answered by the pendulum test, either by Calihan_12, or someone else, whoever is willing to do this. I'll do it, if necessary. Those same questions should also be answered randomly, possibly via a coin toss. Then we post the questions and both sets of answers publicly, in such a way that they can't be modified (for example, in a post such as this). Then wait for the results.

The hard part, as I see it, is finding a set of questions that fits the requirements listed above. If anyone has some ideas, they can U2U me with them, or put them in reply here.