Ancient Alien , History Channel

reply to post by undo


Look, I'm not even making an argument. I am stating a fact.
I am not blaming anyone.

reply to post by JayinAR


it's always been a theocracy. the whole world is under a theocracy. it just has different faces and names and variants in ideology. there's always a centrally held belief in each area, and that belief dominates the life styles of the people but not necessarily the political or financial aspects, as those aspects fall into the hands of the folks with the most clout, which is typically not the common people. the people tend to believe in virtues that are not sustainable at the goverment level because of the human condition and because once you have something like power, it's tough to let it go.

once again, it's not a fact in the way you present it, because you arrive at the position from the mistaken belief that religion is hiding or has hidden, the facts about our past. the guys at the tippety top may be hiding something but did i agree that they should hide it? no. i wasn't even informed! i don't even know what they have, but i do know the average christian is not anything like the stereotypes that historical texts have painted them as, since the average christian is just like you and wants to live a peaceful, fulfilling, love soaked life! it's our circumstances that seem to modify that but not to the degree you are being lead to believe or may believe on your own.

reply to post by undo


Yes, it is a fact that religious men have buried the past repeatedly throughout history.

That is all I'm saying.

And once again, I don't blame you. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Originally posted by undo

2012 great pyramid

sometimes it helps to do a little reverse engineering

Didn't understand the ending of this '2012 Great pyramid' video.

It had 2016, then said it took 7 years to do the 'cap stone', taking us to 2009, and then said '2012... The Time is Now'...!!!

How did it get from 2009 to 2012, instead of 2016?

Am i being dumb?



[edited to delete superfluous video]



[edit on 23-8-2009 by McGinty]

reply to post by JayinAR


i will agree to an extent, but that extent has attached to it the word "human condition" as the same thing happens regardless of religion or lack thereof. once you have a theory, and feel it is solid, you don't want to let it go. once you have a belief, and feel it is solid you don't want to let it go. you might concede on parts of it, but it would take something really dramatic to move it out of its original framework completely. as a result, you might overlook something that seems to dispel your original conclusions, especially if your original conclusions were made while fighting against what you felt was a stifling of progress.

180 degree changes do not tend to depict clear informed choices but rather, the human condition. and it's the history of the planet. the enlightenment brought us such things as "the ancient greeks couldn't write when their epics and histories were written", which lead to the removal of almost all ancient history from consideration, regardless of religion or location. later, they found out the ancient greeks could write but it was too late to backtrackand they refused on the condition that'd lead them back into the dark ages of believing fairies and dragons and gods coming down on clouds.

so you have a double whammy there. if anything, i'd say both sides are hiding data that they feel punches a hole in their information. and there just may be a reason for it that will shock the world or it could just be to admit this thing, would cause that thing to be wrong and they'd have a new avalanche on their hands and a new 180 degree, knee jerk reaction in the opposite direction. essentially, i'm going to suggest IF they are hiding information, that both sides are doing so, and for the same exact reasons. maybe they are buddies up there at the top o' the ladder.

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reply to post by undo


Oh yeah, there is no doubt.
"Scientists" practice this stuff often.
"Archaeologists" are the worst, by my estimation.

reply to post by McGinty


i had the same question. i think i might've missed something he said as he tends to talk quietly. might try emailing and asking? if you get an answer, let us know! lol

reply to post by JayinAR


well as is the case with everything else, we have to give credit where credit is due. and clearly science and archaeology have done some great, great things. ..and some not so great things. again, the human condition.

that's why i try really hard to be patient when talking to others on these subjects because 1) i 'm not sure we have all the information yet to make informed choices from, 2) i'm aware of my condition, 3) it ain't their fault either. i just want to be sure you're aware that this is not a specifically christian trait nor is it one that i've seen in action amongst the people of my peer group, which is why i brought it up.

reply to post by Faiol


Don't understannd what he was trying to say either, but being an American knowing we do of course have our off the wall groups, as an American I can assure you we can more then take care of our selves, or any one else.

reply to post by undo

i'm a christian and i have no problem with ancient history of other civilizations. most of the people i know who are christians, also have no problem with ancient history of other civilizations.

Star! Thanks for the reply! What, I'm not even worthy of caps?

Congrats all around! By all means! I can relate, believe me!
As I said before this is just a little confusing to me is all.
What really fascinates me is Puma punku!
Doesn't this contradict biblical theology though, possibly?
The possible knowledge that maybe who we consider God is really
just an alien race "playing God" with us?
I guess it doesnt matter as long as we obey/believe them/him, right?
I am just playing devils advocate here,
No offense to you or any christian. I consider myself one.
I am merely bring up a pattern I see in regards to peoples
belief system being shattered with regards to new information.
We have proven through repeated wars just how favorably we view other "religions"!
Thanks heaps for letting me know there are other open minded
christians out there!
For I seriously doubt the close minded ones would even be on here!

you need to broaden your perspective a little as you have clearly been spoon fed some nonsense about how christians view the ancient past.

Cool. I hope thats all I need!
Your post helps me "broaden my perspective"! Thanks!
I only state my observations based on insight and experience.
I am sure it doesnt help working among mormons constantly either.
No biggie. (I'm the devil)
How utterly "christian" THAT is!

I think the idea that this is a christian vs. atheist debate is silly, perpetuated to blame the ills of the world on a deliberately stereotyped group without any real foundation.

I agree. Thats one reason I uncovered it, so it wouldnt get infected
and eventually require amputation(or genocide)!
Thanks for your helping denying the you know what!(ignorance)
I guess my disgust with pointless bickering and childish namecalling
on these threads came through a bit. Sorry.
I'll try to act more christian and forgive more.
Thanks for the video!

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reply to post by dodadoom


well i read this book many years ago, called GOD'S PLAN FOR MAN. it was written by a fundamental penecostal christian theologian and scholar. in it he pointed out the verses about the sons of god coming down (Genesis 6). from there he went into an explanation of what he called the angelic dispensation.

he believed that the earth was at one time inhabited by what we refer to as angels (he wrote this book back in like the 60s-70s). that they developed technologically and went out to colonize the other moons and planets in our solar system. then there was war. the war spoken of in which 1/3rd of the angels followed lucifer. he believes this marked the end of the angelic dispensation on earth, their test was finished and the ones that didn't "fall" were welcomed into "God's government," which he believes is all over the universe . in that respect, he was very close in agreement with mormon theology but only as regards the literalness of the events and their application in a cosmological sense.

he used verses all over the bible to support his conclusions, most of which were pretty darn convincing. then he stated it was at the end of this war (which lead to the ice age), that the book of Genesis opens. In other words, the earth was quite old and that it had other races here before us, and that they had advanced technologically, there was a war and a huge cataclysm, which lead to the ice age and then the new dispensation-- this time of humans.

so now we are in the human dispensation, he said. and it's our turn, and we are following almost lock step in the footsteps of the previous creation lol

pretty easy to prophesy about something that predictable, i suppose, but when it's done, we as a people will have chosen where we fit into God's government, he says.

people either really like his book or they hate it.

Does anyone know if there is any information concerning the Diameter and Spacing of those drill holes ?

I also found that fascinating and wonder if they have some mathematical relevance to many other areas in ancient times

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by McGinty

 

i had the same question. i think i might've missed something he said as he tends to talk quietly. might try emailing and asking? if you get an answer, let us know! lol

yeah, right!

But seriously, i understood everything he said, in that i heard all the words. IMO he bodged the ending there - there wasn't any explanation, he just seemed to want it to end at 2012 'cos that's the latest trend.

shame, as everything preceding this was pretty gripping, but i guess it needs the '2012' tag to get some attention.

reply to post by McGinty


the part that got my attention was draco's tail taking up 1/3rd of the sky and having it equal 666.0 degrees. revelation is a multi-layered affair. most complicated book i've ever read. there are other sections that are clearly talking about eclipses of the sun and moon. and the sun in virgo (indicating time of year), with the moon beneath her feet, indicating location perhaps? it's astronomy-based as well as political and so on. perhaps the most brilliant book ever written besides matthew (which i like because of its completeness vs the other gospels)

reply to post by undo

Thanks for that! Interesting to say the least!
That would make sense and explain alot for shore!
Also would fit the timeline. And evidence.
Glad to hear your take on it!
Would make sense that no one religion has all the answers,
even mormonism! That keeps thing spicy.

There really is so much that we dont know about the past,(or future)
its plum crazy. And sad actually.
I'll check out the book! Thanks again!

reply to post by hoghead cheese

fascinating theory wish i had said it did you think of it or did you piece it together

there is an established theory about how the oceans filled up but i dont think thats the flood we're looking for

reply to post by dodadoom


you're welcome. i was in utah for 10 years. i studied mormonism while there. i thought the teaching was completely nuts till i re-read god's plan for man and started studying alternative works on the topic of the ancient past, not to mention the ancient texts themselves. i realized they were actually on to something, what it was i wasn't entirely sure but there was something important there. i don't necessarily completely agree with god's plan for man either, but i do think he makes a good case for pre-existing races here on earth before us. so i did something ......unusual.

i went looking for statuary from the time when Genesis is dated. before 3900 BC, there are no human statues. they're all ..well i'm embarrassed to say it but it's true: reptilian and amphibian looking things. some look like tall reptilians. some look like splindly greys, some look like a cross between a reptilian and a grey, but no human statues. even the earth goddess statues. one of them in particular is very famous. she's a chubby thing. get this:

they added her human head. she has a fat reptilian body but later archaeologists assumed she was human and gave her a human head. she wasn't a homo sapian.

anyway, that confused me so i went looking for info on why reptilians and greys are here pre-adamic, cause it didn't fit my biblical understanding. and if they are the angels referred to in god's plan for man, this would be a surprise. i think they are. afterall, the serpent in the garden had legs before they were "removed" (i think he was relieved of the body he was in). and if you look up the word seraph, it means firey flying dragon. but yet it's singular for seraphim, which is a name of a race of angels.

yeahhhhhhh........if you're thinking right about now.. that's nuts! don't worry, i thought the same thing even while i was researching it.

Seen that documentary before, but watching it again seeing as its in HD!

Never really considered that things might be purposely kept from us regarding technology and whatnot, but its definately a possible answer..

Either way, if there was only examples in one or two places of things being built and technologies being used that shouldnt have actually existed at that time, then that could be explained as methods simply being lost over time. I mean its not like ancient civilizations noted down everything they knew... but when there's so many places around the world where the exact same thing seems to have occured then it does make you wonder!

the wikipedia entry on seraph is only partial
here's the rest of the data from strong's lexicon

Result of search for "seraph":

8314 saraph saw-rawf' from 8313; burning, i.e. (figuratively) poisonous (serpent); specifically, a saraph or symbolical creature (from their copper color):--fiery (serpent), seraph.

www.eliyah.com...

i don't think it's copper but glowing, bronze/gold in appearance, as explained by michael s. heiser in his paper "THE NACHASH AND HIS SEED, SOME EXPLANATORY NOTES ON WHY THE 'SERPENT' IN GENESIS 3 WASN'T A SERPENT"

The Hebrew word #$xfn@Fha is actually an adjective (#$xfnF; meaning “bright”,
“brazen [as in shiny brass]) with the prefixed article (ha - the word
“the” in Hebrew). Thus the word is formed #$xfnF + ha for #$xfn@Fha (a dot is
added in the second letter from the right when an article is attached).
The whole word then, in the Hebrew text is #$xfn@Fha, hannachash
(nachash is pronounced “nakash”).

What is different about this approach is that I view the base word, nachash, as an adjective, not a noun. The NOUN spelled nachash in Hebrew can mean: snake / serpent or one who practices of divination. The adjective means “bright, brazen” and is itself the base word for other nouns in Hebrew, like “shining brass” - t#$exon; (nechoshet).

www.thedivinecouncil.com...

and i don't think it's a snake. i think it's a bipedal, upright reptilian wearing a metal suit of some kind, either body armor or something else.

here's a set of statues from sumer...all reptilian
(ERIDU!) oi.uchicago.edu...
oi.uchicago.edu...
oi.uchicago.edu...


to advance it a bit further, here's a vase found in abydos egypt grave digs. what do you see? i see humans, greys, reptilians and some other weird thing..not sure what?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/6e77301ac273a7c4.jpg[/atsimg]

and this very odd piece which looks like an underwater scene

xoomer.virgilio.it...

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anyway, i keep looking for statues of people but i ain't finding them before 3900 BC.

the statues at puma punku look almost robotic to me, so the thought crossed my mind that this may be what they meant by "walking trees" ..which i think is in one of the viracoccha stories. if they had huge anthropomorphic machines to do the heavy lifting ya know? like ripley's suit

warning, foul language

Another thought as well...
I suppose the fact that these buildings etc are very few in numbers is a factor in the technology being lost. If the various civilizations were only planning on building one or two of these things then there might not have been as much importance placed on recording what the actual methods were.
And as those methods werent used regularly then it would make it easier for them to be forgotten about..