Swedish paper's organ harvesting article draws Israeli outrageStory Highlights

Well they deliberately irradiated a whole generation of Sephardi Jewish children, to make the European Jews the dominant part of the fledgling Israeli society, so what's the harm in a few body parts from poor goys for the rich?

Anyone thinking this is a non event and only relates to one kidney, brokered by a NJ Rabbi, needs to wake up to what is really going on. Israel is mired in the drugs trade, human trafficking, money laundering and just about every other type of organised crime. This is reality and has been known for a long time, why do people think they have to bring in laws to make it illegal to criticise the Israelis?

Bostrom stressed that he has no proof that Israeli soldiers were stealing organs

So if one person who happens to be Jewish is involved in the black market in the US, blame the entire country and its people?

Did you actually read this thing?

The article was an op-ed written by freelance journalist Donald Bostrom

Not even a news report. Just some clearly biased persons opinion and he admits he has NO evidence. He in fact "STRESSED" that point.

Here by the way is the truth and as I expected this whole thing is out of context -
Source

"What I experienced during this day is many people from Israel who called me haven't read the article. So they think I'm accusing the IDF of stealing organs. That's not what I'm doing. I just recorded the Palestinian families saying that.

So, all he really said is that he heard Palestinians saying that.

Combine that with he has no evidence and you have an OP/ED from someone who is using emotion to get attention and notoriety.

Bostrom's article reads more like an opinion article than a straight journalism piece, and it attempts to connect claims he heard in the West Bank in 1992 that Israeli soldiers were illegally removing organs from Palestinians killed in fighting with a campaign for Israeli organ donors, supposed illegal purchases of organs in Israel in the early 2000s, and the recent story of American Levy Izhak Rosenbaum who was accused of illegally trafficking Israeli organs.

Now we find out he is connecting two unrelated occurrences and basing his speculation on that. His only source was gossip from Palestinians in 1992.

He is a lousy journalist at best. He wrote this to get the exact attention he is pretending to be incensed about. Probably a boring day and he had to scam an attention grabber so he could get paid and published. He is freelance by the way. No real job and his motivation should be fairly obvious.

Boy CNN has gone downhill. They don't even research what they post.

I have no problems with people expressing their anger at Israels government unless they belong to the group that says they only hate Zionists and secretly believe all Jews are Zionists.

It took me less than two minutes to pull that info together. You will get pages of haters who won't bother. Some people work hard to make the crime fit the evidence.

Since when is Jewish a Race?

Since when is gossip from early 90's Palestinians who wanted all Jews dead a good source. Since when does a case involving one Jew in the US evidence that gossip from the past from unreliable sources enough to spread such evil gossip today?

This boob got what he wanted. Lots of attention. I wonder how many jobs he will get from this. Every anti-Semitic site on the planet will be making offers. The people of this planet are so sad that nonsense sells and it sells well. He probably made his income for the next year off one outlandish article.

Barnum once said "Nobody ever lost a dime underestimating the intelligence of the American public." He should have said the public generically.

The USA the most powerful country in the world (possibly?) brought to its knee,s the most powerful computer organisation in the world, because of they could.
There are others that can bring the USA to its knee,s, possibly because they can.
So what is most important? principles,truth? certainly caution.

The swedish article is here:
www.aftonbladet.se...

However, sweden newspaper arent "Free" and write the hole "Truth". for example, you cant find ANYTHING about Obama the joker and in the same newspaper you have a new article "Dont betray obama":
www.aftonbladet.se...

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Good argument Blaine.

However, i do have to ask myself how we'd react if it were another nation being accused of this.

Whether they protested innocence or not, i think we'd all feel better if it were investigated impartially, if just to prove the allegations are false. You'd think that the nation being accused would want an investigation more than anyone to prove their innocence (if only to score points against the accusers).

Perhaps the Swedish journalist did string together a few disparate facts, almost forgotten over many years, but that's how investigative journalism works. If he's just a hack out to score points of his own then it would be in the interest journalism, and everyone else, that such hacks are debunked by a solid impartial investigation.

In short an investigation is always in the interest of everyone, except the liars, whomever they turn out to be. Investigating every accusation is certainly impractical with limited resources and the turbulent situation on the ground and the PTB have to decide which lines of inquiry are worth pursuing. If they decide not to peruse this then it may be because of a genuine lack of evidence, or corruption, or simply that they see the middle east as an ongoing war in which the normal rules don't apply - that if the high casualties on both sides necessitate using the dead in such a way, then so be it - they turn a blind eye.

But this isn't really a debate about organ harvesting, it's about the possibility that a nation has 'get out of jail free card' to do as they please.

It is sad that we are in a situation where an embattled nation must continually prove it's accusers wrong. But we'd be in far worse situation if a nation could ignore all accusation and avoid all investigations by citing their embattled history.

That's a dangerous situation to be in.



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[edit on 20-8-2009 by McGinty]

Originally posted by hadriana reply to post by Retseh

 

That's just ....gross. I shot him, then I sawed him up and removed his brain? That'll teach the SOB?

Totally inappropriate of me, but that made me laugh!
Mainly because I can imagine some meat-heads thinking exactly that!

S&F, excellent thread. But of course we have some foolishness to behold as well...

Originally posted by rightuos
wait wait isn't Sweden a neutral country?... Maybe someone should remind them if they are going to write stories about other countries it kind of disqualifies them of that?

I can't actually count the number of things that are wrong with this sentence. It bespeaks an utter ignorance of the way the world works.

Let me explain. "Neutrality" in this context is to do with international law regarding conflicts. Which conflict are you referring to here?

Secondly, you then seem to assume that the government of the neutral country should have totalitarian powers over its press, enabling them to spike any story about any other country. Now you may live in a country where you don't hear much about the rest of the world (and, tbh, it shows in your post), but free reporting is kind of a civilised value that most of us think is a good thing.

So to answer your question: no, I don't think that a newspaper printing a report about another country renders its own government's neutrality under international law invalid in some unspecified conflict.

Is that what you meant?

Sorry I'm a common sense kind of guy

some readers of your post may find themselves forced to disagree

if you don't want problems from the world you should probably STFU. Otherwise step up to the plate with your army first, when confronting what you feel is wrong.

OK, so freedom of the press is directly proportional to the size of one's army. That's an interesting ethic but one most of us leave behind after exiting the schoolyard.

Still, thanks for sharing.

Here are but a handful of article corroborating the reality :

en.epochtimes.com...

microdot.gnn.tv...

more Israelis

news.bbc.co.uk...

More Israelis
www.newser.com...

More Israelis
www.highbeam.com...


www.fourwinds10.com...
findarticles.com...

Some background on why Israel is a hotbed of transplants
www.esot.org...

And here is a video of some Jews being detained in the US as part of the global cartel

vodpod.com...

Goes back decades
www.voicesofpalestine.org...

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Bostrom stressed that he has no proof that Israeli soldiers were stealing organs

So if one person who happens to be Jewish is involved in the black market in the US, blame the entire country and its people?

Did you actually read this thing?

It's not a matter of blaming the entire country. Nice straw man.

It's not an isolated incident by any means. Read the other posts in the thread. Israelis have an organ shortage themselves because of their religious beliefs. They were thrown out of an international donor program because they took far more than they gave. There are incidents of this stretching back years and years. Earlier in the thread there's the story of a Scottish lad who died in Israeli custody and his parents brought suit to retrieve body parts, notably the heart and the bone necessary to prove that he had hanged himself in his cell as his captors claimed.

The author is scrupulous about what he has and has not been able to prove: but it fits in to a very clear and recurrent pattern. One which many people, sadly seem unable to acknowledge.


And this entire paragraph is an ad hominem speculation based on no evidence whatsoever:

He is a lousy journalist at best. He wrote this to get the exact attention he is pretending to be incensed about. Probably a boring day and he had to scam an attention grabber so he could get paid and published. He is freelance by the way. No real job and his motivation should be fairly obvious.

So please don't try to take the high ground over journalistic integrity: it's not as if you yourself approach the subject with any kind of rigour whatsoever.

I have no problems with people expressing their anger at Israels government unless they belong to the group that says they only hate Zionists and secretly believe all Jews are Zionists.

This group... how do you identify them? I mean, if they secretly believe all Jews are Zionists, well, they're not going to want to blow their cover, are they?

There may be some people who believe all Jews are Zionists. There are plenty of people who cling to untenable propositions (such as the Israeli government is a beacon of enlightenment in the Middle East and is innocent of the many blood libels wrought by perfidious Gentiles). There are no doubt some people who believe AJAG but keep it to themselves.

If they're the ones you can't stand, how can you tell them from the rest? Do you have any rational test you can apply?

It took me less than two minutes to pull that info together.

It kind of shows.

Since when is Jewish a Race?

Since when is Jewish a noun?

Since when is gossip from early 90's Palestinians who wanted all Jews dead a good source.

You look at both sides, weigh the evidence, look at the context. Attacking one source in isolation for being biased may fly, but the overwhelming evidence is that Israel is up to all sorts of nasty business and this is yet another part of it.

Some people... hate a Swedish man for writing what he was told by witnesses happened... but when people send death threats to this man they dont care? Why is it okay to send death threats over this? Even if the allegations untrue IT WASNT HIM ALLEGING.

Though I wish my country was as diehard as Israel I doubt if anyone criticised us we would be threatening them en masse...

Originally posted by rightuos
wait wait isn't Sweden a neutral country?...

Switzerland is the neutral one. Sweden is all about the easy to assemble furniture.

Oh, and by the way, if you don't know the difference between Switzerland and Sweden, you're probably not qualified to talk about international affairs.

Well this is probably too late to make any impact om this story here on ATS. But I would like everyone who reads this to know that the newspaper who published this story, Aftonbladet, is NOT!!! NOT ANYWHERE NEAR!!! a credible newspaper. I live in Sweden and read that paper some times. But I can very rarely take that newspaper seriously. It is common knowledge in Sweden that the newspaper Aftonbladet makes ut stories and has some really horrible pieces of journalism

So please! While Aftonbladet has every right to publish this story it is MOST PROBABLY BS.

Originally posted by rightuos wait wait isn't Sweden a neutral country?... Maybe someone should remind them if they are going to write stories about other countries it kind of disqualifies them of that? Sorry I'm a common sense kind of guy, if you don't want problems from the world you should probably STFU. Otherwise step up to the plate with your army first, when confronting what you feel is wrong.

Oh that makes perfect sense. If a country is not prepared to go to war with anyone unless they're being invaded, none of that country's private citizens may publish an opinion on international matters in 1 of that country's own newspapers.
Indeed you are "common sense kind of guy", in as much as what is most often touted as "common sense" is in fact the most blatantly illconsidered numbskullery around. If you think Swedes shouldn't comment on international affairs, do you also think The Nobel Prize should be abolished?
What's most worrying is that someone actually starred that post. Kin incredible!

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Sweden is actually a neutral country when it comes to military battle. Well at least on paper it is supposed to be. Sweden has been neutral through att the battles in Europe for hundreds of years.

We have forces in Afghanistan right now. But I think thats some joint effort where we don't really have much there

Swedish Israeli ambassadouer (sp?) Elisabet Borsiin Bonnier wrote on their website that the article is as offensive and chocking to Swedes as it is to Israelis, and that the embassy totally washed it's hands of the information in the article.

This has stirred a little media storm here, as her views totally goes against free speech, and freedom of the press.

Later the state department announced they don't agree with Mrs. Borsiin Bonnier, the statement on the webpage by her was deleted.

Many other media have been calling the paper that published the article, Aftonbladet, for racist, anti-semite, and incompetent.

Actually, another serious Swedish newspaper (Sydsvenska Dagbladet )dubbed Aftonbladet to Anti-Semite Bladet.

It's crazy everytime something provoking involving Israel comes out in the papers, it's like many people would prefer state controlled, censored media, than actually having to investigate just the smallest kind of wrong doing by Israelis.

I'll be following this debate, and try to update you folks on how the Swedish media are playing this out.

Good post OP!

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When i read about all the retarded things jews in israel say or do, all i can think is; maybe there was a reason the jews were persecuted all those times in the past. It must be because they act like smucks, big time.

Swedish public and government have to condemn and reject this appalling [incitation] before it actually encourages someone to commit hate crimes.

Who will commit hate crimes? Those who support Israel it seems. Now hundreds of people send threats to the newspaper. The only ones encouraging people to commit hate crimes here is Israel.

The only reason Israel would be outraged by this is if they have something to hide i'd think. If these serious things were going on i'd think israel would gladly look into it... but instead they cry foul :\

Originally posted by Britguy
Well they deliberately irradiated a whole generation of Sephardi Jewish children, to make the European Jews the dominant part of the fledgling Israeli society, so what's the harm in a few body parts from poor goys for the rich?

Anyone thinking this is a non event and only relates to one kidney, brokered by a NJ Rabbi, needs to wake up to what is really going on. Israel is mired in the drugs trade, human trafficking, money laundering and just about every other type of organised crime. This is reality and has been known for a long time, why do people think they have to bring in laws to make it illegal to criticise the Israelis?

Jewish crime syndicates have long been a part of the black market and underworld makeup of America. Infamous orginizations like Murder Inc., Bugsy Seigal credited with the remaking of Las Vegas and founder of the Flamingo Hilton. Lefke Burhaulder one of the most notorious murderer for hire hitmen. Ezria (aka Eddie Nash) Los Angeles porn king, coc aine king, and club king in the 1970's and 80's are just a few not to mention Myer Lansky or Rothstien whose exploits in fixing the 1918 world series led to a century of shame for the White Sox and the Major Leage Baseball Commission.

Half of the U.S. shops that sell paraphenillia to aide in the consumption of illicit and illegal drugs are Israeli/Jewish owned and many of them double as fronts for the Mossad, as do Dead Sea Sea Salt cosmetic stands, and a cheap helicopter flying toy sold in stores at the mall.

The notion that all Jews are as honest and wholesome and well intentioned as the day is long is as false as the notion that all Jews are criminally minded and evil Zionists.

There is an inherent and foolish danger in romanticizing people for fictional and emotional purposes and elevating them above criticism, reproach and international standards and norms.

Hi Proto/

Well done on the post!
I posted about 'Organ Transplants' about a month ago...
An Article on Organ selling and Organ theft~
Well,hopefully people will open their eyes and wont fall for the Anti- Semite statement ...Arabs are also known to have Semetic blood origins!
Justice should be brought to ALL who commit disgusting crimes...be it of whatever race or religion.
God's mercy will prevail!

ICXC NIKA
helen

I do believe that no nation should be above criticism and investigation. If it is likely a country is committing crimes against humanity, in no way shape or form should they be immune to scrutiny.

However, this is why I'm concerned. On top of the fact the author admits he has no proof and that the piece is only his opinion, I do get immediately suspicious when we get into the accusations of BLOOD LIBEL.

It is an age old strategy that is being given a modern spin because instead of sacrificial victims or the use of victim's blood in rituals, we're getting into the topic of organ trafficking.

CLICK HERE to read about modern and contemporary accusations of blood libel against Jews.

Unfortunately, human organ trafficking is very real and it does happen all over the world. But you also have to be careful with such accusations because more often than not, the accusations do turn out to be false and are inspired by the intent to engage in slander. Hence the term, 'blood libel.'

I believe that is what the Jews are trying to get at and why the article includes the quote, 'This kind of medieval blood libel cannot be tolerated in any society.'

Such strategies have been used for thousands of years for propaganda purposes. In a twist, instead of it being 'The Jews kill children so they can make matzoh with their blood' it becomes 'Israel is stealing organs.' So it's always wise to be cautious because the false accusations throughout history have actually caused a backlash towards Jewish communities that turned out to be innocent.

IMHO, that is what Israel was concerned with and I gathered a 'Here we go again' tone from that article.

Originally posted by helen670
Hi Proto/

Well done on the post!
I posted about 'Organ Transplants' about a month ago...
An Article on Organ selling and Organ theft~
Well,hopefully people will open their eyes and wont fall for the Anti- Semite statement ...Arabs are also known to have Semetic blood origins!
Justice should be brought to ALL who commit disgusting crimes...be it of whatever race or religion.
God's mercy will prevail!

ICXC NIKA


helen

Thanks for posting the link to your thread Helen670, I will be sure to read it!

One thing is for sure if Nations and people are to be held to standards and laws then they should be all held equally to those laws and standards.

To elevate or allow anyone nation, group, or person to elevate themselves to the point that questioning whether standards have been met and are being met results in a blanket and constant rebuttal of "Racism" smacks of racism by those accusing others of being so biased.

It is after all but an attempt to say as a race we are above and beyond your questions, concerns or criticism and that's as racist a stance as racist can get.

It's an approach that counts on the timidness of others, their stupidity and submission to a set of dual standards, that defeat the whole purpose of having laws and standards.

Haneous crimes are haneous crimes and any attempt to excuse them or ignore them is equally haneous in my humble oppinion.

All people and nations should be held to equal standards regardless of race, religion, region or their collective or individual pasts.

The world needs to grow up and wise up to such foolish notions as one nation and one people are above criticism and reproach and question.