Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

To answer the question in the OP, although none of us can predict the future, I cannot see myself being conned into acting as a patsy because of someone's attempt to indoctrinate me.

People that argue politics with me irl soon back off, since I consider myself educated and prepared on the issues to the point where I cannot be fooled by rhetoric. My life and my goals are personal, and I will not allow them to be manipulated.

However, if circumstances occurred that would result in injury to me or my loved ones, and using the regular channels for relief resulted in meeting a stone wall, then I might be induced to take further steps on my own to seek justice.

All this talk about being solidly centrist is the safe answer, but I don't think it is totally honest. Most of us have our deep-seated biases that guide our thinking.

reply to post by badgerprints


I couldn't agree more.

Age, wisdom, maturity, call it what you will, it teaches you to take nothing for granted.

Taking things for granted will in fact get you dead.

reply to post by jsobecky


That is a great post, jsobecky.

I can see that you are intelligent, it comes with the territory for free-thinkers.

I know this, I know tactics, and when push comes to shove, no one can predict my actions.

Situation dictates tactics, tactics dictate action, action dictates the end result, winning.

A pyrrhic victory is still a victory.

[edit on 14-8-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I am an enigma here. I am pro-life, which is considered right wing, but I am also opposed to the death penalty, which is left wing.

I support single payer health care which is considered left wing.

I support the idea of keeping indecent programming off the air from 6AM to 10PM, which is right wing.

I support gun rights, including the right to conceal weapons (conservative).

I am opposed to any curfew laws as parents should be the ones to decide (libertarian).

I support regulation of the banking industry and splitting the insurance and investing parts out of banking altogether (liberal).

I support total free speech, even offensive speech such as language and what is deemed hate speech. One does not have to like it to support it, but people should have the right to say what they want to. (libertarian)

I guess I am like most other people, as I do not fit into any real mold. I am an independent or purple stater!

reply to post by kidflash2008


I love this post, kidflash2008.

I know exactly what you mean.

I have studied warfare all of my life, yet I actively seek peace.

I understand and know tactics inside and out, yet hate people who play games with me.

I hate sports games, yet see the arenas of the old gladiators as something I hold in high regards.

I believe in self-defense, yet at the drop of a hat, will defend those who I see as weaker than I.

And, last but not least, would love my future wife with all of my heart, yet I would sacrifice her for the greater good, in order to make sure humanity would not be slave to the corruption of politics.

I am an European centrist!

All kind of tests I have been doing for over 20 years are telling me the same result - dead center in all questions.

But our "Center Party" is more Right-Wing than our libertarian influenced "moderate Party"

So the only Party we have here that is very near the center is this "Moderate Party" - they won and our current Prime Minister belong to this Party.

They are crap as well! - but they are the only Party we have near the center!

When I was younger I voted once for the 'Social Democrats'!

2010 I'm not going to disgrace myself to cast a vote on these corrupted politicians anymore! - but I will vote for anyone who is against the NWO & Treaty of Lisbon though!

reply to post by Chevalerous


A question for you, since you're from Europe.

Do you think that the "powers that be" there in Europe do this type thing?

What I am referring to, is that is there a group, or several groups, which could in fact escalate an issue for private individuals, just to put them into the "Lee Harvey Oswald" type scenario?

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


A couple of points:

I think most of the "idealogues" are really out of sync with the rest of us. Most of us are actually in the middle and get turned off by the partianship of the politics.

I love my boys with all my heart, and would never sacrifice them, even for the "greater good". If it came down to sacrificing them, there would be no greater good left. I see what you are trying to say, but why would anyone need to sacrifice a loved one?

reply to post by kidflash2008


Good thoughts as well as good question.

I am of course speaking of the hypothetical question, for instance like I posed here :

Would You Have Stopped JFK's Assassination...?

You are the FIXER in this particular situation. The man who is the ultimate person who actually orders the plan to go into action. Meaning here of course that it is your job to order the one, two, or three man team, whichever version of the assassination you particularly believe in here, to proceed with plan to commit one of the most controversial and heinous assassinations in history, but it's before the "magic bullet" has been fired that blows the head off the United States most beloved President at the time.

The people who plan, strategize, and plot an assassination of this magnitude though are not going to just believe you will follow through with the orders you were given, they have taken extra precautions in that they have your family hostage as well as if they have to go to an alternate plan, you will become a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald ultimately became.

If you decide to go against this conglomerate, this hydra-organization, not only will you become a patsy, but if you decide to run, if you decide to make a call to someone you think you can trust, they might just be the person who is a part of the process to set you up further and entangle you even further into the morass of "career suicide" you are considering by ordering the hit to stop.

I am of course not one to allow myself to be into that position to begin with but that was a hypothetical "what if" scenario I put to ATS'ers.

I think most of you know I am a right wing extremist hell bent on stopping the socialismsists that are ruining this country!

But all seriousness aside, I am mostly concerned about curtailing if not halting the slow steady march to corporate dominance... It is the real danger in this world, where targeted and manipulated profit is slowly destroying human society. In this effort technology. legal ease, influence and billslavery is the result that perpetuates a more solidified, efficient form of the previous cruel fate march for humanity. Mean while we pay for our slavery, vote for our slavery and promote its expansion. For our lifes blood
might as well be money, for me oxygen would be not much use without the other.
Further more Oxygen deprivation is a much less cruel fate as it is quick release.

Ultimately there will be a point where there will be no turning back - the man made machine of seemingly beneficial innovations will eventually become the masters of our
masters.

I remember when I was a kid reading Zippy the Pinhead comics and there was a bit in there about how, in the period of Communist versus Nazi street riots during the 1930s, the police eventually noticed that say thirty percent of the Nazi rioters they would arrest had been arrested at previous riot outings...as Communists...and likewise the same proportion of the Communist rioters had in a previous ideological life been arrested as Nazis. (Now I'm not saying this is true - but it is what my source the comic book told me). The ideological spectrum is actually a loop, it's bent around backwards till the ends touch and meet right around say the spot occupied by Charles Manson...he is kinda left and right at the same time.
More generally, the left fringe and right fringe have more in common with each other than either does with the herd in the middle. I would draw the line between the fringe (on either side) and the middle at this here spot, namely...the herd in the middle does not, and does not want to, conceive of murder as a legitimate or proper tool of politics...the middle thinks that murder is precisely what politics was invented to avoid...whereas both the dexter and sinister fringes are always drawn toward killing, even when its counterproductive they can't help but dwell on it, like a horny truckdriver who can't keep his hands off his air horn.
That's my interpretation of political demographics.
My central political tenet is that might makes right. I believe in absolute freedom, everyone can do whatever they want, whatever they get can get away with, unless and until someone bigger stops them.
I reject any absolute claims of fairness and justice. I do "Us and Them"...within the group (like a pirate band) there are exact rules for fairness to be strictly applied, to further group function and cohesion...outside the group no rules at all.
You know, you can't be nice to everybody...
I think this makes me right-wing, pretty much.
As as far as being susceptible to indoctrination...when I was young I used to let any cult group I came across take me home. I love all propaganda, sales technique and spurious knowledge. I always (in every interpersonal interaction) act like I believe everything I'm told, when in fact I never believe anyhing I'm told. I am a poor subject for indoctrination.
Now being set up as a patsy seems marginally more likely, since I'm constantly running around, talking dumb and acting stupid, uttering unusual and unpleasant things (like the above)...I might seem like the likely local psycho.
But it's the weirdest thing, in my life, trouble never seems to fasten itself to me. The people around me always like me, way more than they should (I do work at it, but still). I think to be a patsy you have to play into it, and I think if it was tried on me, I would be wrong for the part and slide out of it. I ain't worried. It wasn't me.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Well that's a difficult question!

We certainly have militant Left-Wing Fringe groups dressed in black in the streeets who are quite radical and are throwíng stones at the Police during big European Political events and International meetings on European ground.

And now the extreme "Right-Wing Fringe" groups are on the rise again here in Europe - they won some seats in the Election to the European Parliament but these groups are working more in the shadows so far and aren't as loud yet, as the Left Wing Fringe groups are for the moment!

So could any of these groups be manipulated for something more sinister on the individual level?

Well I don't know really! even these Left Wing Fringe youth groups are quite intelligent and awakened and know all the BS and modus operandi of the PTB's divide and rule tactics - so you are not fooling them easy, they are quite smart actually - they see through the political lies and BS with the MSM spin who are trying to pitch them against the extreme Right groups or as a threat to society.

The same goes for the extreme Right groups - they are working in the shadows for the moment but are gaining more & more support for their political agenda against the EU's mass imigration agenda.

Even if these two groups are hating eachother on paper, they dislike the established political parties and politicians more.

Heck! If it was for something really important I wouldn't be surprised to see them joining together temporarily against the PTB!

But there are of course very big differences between European Politics and American politics.

I will try to say this with much respect, so please don't be angry and please don't get too offended but you guys already know most of this:

Most adult Europeans knows that the political system we have is crap and are aware that the politicians are corrupted crooks and liars! and they have known this all their lives - even my old granny did!

While most of Americans are now waking up to realize these facts, many are still believing in everything from their goverment and everything it says, and think their favourite politicians are the best thing since sliced bread.

Many Europeans are therefore baffled of this absurd American phenomena with personal cult status for the politicians and "good looking Presidents" etc.

Even when so many of them turn out to be crooks and just plain wicked!

They also wonder why so many Americans are seeing their TWO political parties as fotball/soccer or hockey teams? and therefore they laugh at this fact and think it's a little bit silly!

So to answer your question! - (if I now have understood it right?)

Sure it could probably happen here as well but I think it would be more difficult to lure anyone with a political agenda as a patsy for sinister motives.

But sure, some naive fanatical in some of these fringe groups are perfect patsies for the PTB - it would be the same everywhere on the Globe!

Anyone could be set up by the Intelligence Services - it's not that difficult for them to fabricate their crap - and we can't do anything about it!

MSM are already doing the spin on the rise of extreme Right-Wing groups here - MSM & the politicians are doing their best to spin and spread fear about both groups!

And who knows! now they are calling all kind of opposition extremists, and suddenly we're all in danger and targets in their crosshairs!

But I still think these kind of things are more probable and are more likely to happen in your political atmosphere due to the two party political system when the people are pitched against eachother.

I think it's easier for TPTB to find candidates for their sinister motives in one of the extreme fringe groups on either side in America because of things that are like they are right now with too much political hatred between these two groups. But this will surely change fast when more and more Americans are waking up and are realizing that it doesn't matter anymore which party or who is in power, then this silly partisan stuff will also hopefully end.

Hopefully the people will also realize that the politicians are only useful idiots & minions for the real power of the corporations and the International Banksters and the Elit families & the real power behind the curtain!

But you guys have ONE advantage against the PTB and their minions that we stupid Europeans don't have! - You're armed to the teeth!

Well this was my rant & two worthless €uro-cents - but you already knew all of this! LOL!

I hope I didn't offend the rest of you guys too much! - I love you much for all the other great qualities you guys have! - can't stand the political hatred & the sometimes fanatical cheering for the favourite political team & politicians though, that's just crazy!

I'm worried, soo many things are about to change for many people with this new administration! Heck I think some of these things are quite drastic and I would surley be on the opposition's side if I was living in America, regarding some of the stuff & laws they now want to implement.

But Europe is not any better! things will change here as well, but these changes may feel less drastic for us since we have been living in a state of change for a long time now, because of the evolution process of the European Union.

But the fight right now have to be against the pesky plans of the PTB! so we need to unite all over the western world and protest before it is too late! - I don't want to live in a totalitarian 1984'ish society - and I'm sure that most of us are thinking the same. We have to protest against all these crazy totalitarian big brother developments around us, this is the most important thing right now!

So screw both the established Left & Right! let us fight for our right to live in freedom instead!


[edit on 14-8-2009 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by daeoeste

I wholeheartedly agree. I do not even think it would take all of us, just enough in certain sectors to shut things down in a substantial way that would spread like wildfire once people realized that THIS is the only way to be heard and have our anger felt in a way that is non-violent.

A suggestion elsewhere was to chang your witholdings on your pay checks if you work for a company. The government runs on money if everyone significantly reduces the amount they pay during the year it might get their attention.

The other option is a "sickout" I am sure there are plenty of independent doctors who would give you a note for being sick due to anxiety over the health care bill. The would probably do it with glee.

reply to post by Chevalerous

Many Europeans are therefore baffled of this absurd American phenomena with personal cult status for the politicians and "good looking Presidents" etc

I noticed that when I lived over seas during the Nixon era. The Europeans just could not understand what all the fuss was about. "of course all politicians are crooked...So?"

I often check European news sources to get a bit better coverage on the news here in the USA.

I'd say I am in the left but closer to the middle than most... I am registered green party but that had to do with a certain herb and I thought it was the best thing ever and green just made sense to me lol... Wow how far I have come in 5 years...

Hmm. I guess I would be called far left. I'm so "liberal" that fringe liberals are on the far right compared to me. It's mostly that I don't care too much for meddling in other people's lives and liberals, conservatives, and middle-of-the-roaders are all a bit too pushy for me. I guess a better term for my views would be Eutopianist. Horribly impractical, but refreshingly optimistic. But then, I'm also very realistic...a realist as well...so an Eutopian Realist? Hehe. Labels are tiresome. There is no left or right or center. These are meaningless distinctions. To move beyond illusory divisions, will open ones eyes to the true deception.

"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true." - Siddhartha Gautama.

As long as you play the game you will be the game.

I am a 'Common-Sense-trist', a 'Personal-Experience-tist', a 'Rationalist', or even if you will; an "Anti-Alarmist."

Politically, I am a 'Damn-O-Crat' in that I will be damned if I vote for people trying to destroy the nation, or that are likely to screw me over. Republican or Democrat. And I've been like that for many years.

Right now, I see way too much extremism, hyper-sensationalism, and 'damn the facts, I'm going to believe X', going on; than the actual checking of facts and information in the forums. On both sides of the political coin.

(Gee this sounds a lot like SO's informant paints the political scene in Washington, doesn't it???)

I mean seriously, it's like folks are throwing the baby out with the bath water on a frightening regularity. Then should someone actually present facts, figures, and heavens forbid real information; should it be against someone's fervently held (one might say irrationational) beliefs, it turns into a major discreditation drive.

Lately I am also seeing a worrisome trend in that 'every' action of the government that can be played for negative emotional impact; is being played up that way and made to be much, much more worse than it possibly could be.

Or taken so far out of context that it's hard not to laugh and call people idiots for doing so. Or it is used by people solely to create fear, hysteria, and distrust in our government. When in truth the goal of the government in such cases is often to provide protection for everyone, or to be ready to respond to emergencies.

I thought the motto here was to deny ignorance, but frequently of late its more like 'deny rational thought or behavior.'

Seriously, I've been fighting not to scream in caps at people saying something like.

'This is your clue-by-four to the cranium, calm the hell down.'

Or

"Dude, you must have missed your meds today, please check your pill box and ensure you are on the right day of the week... because your acting totally 'bug fracking nuts.'"

Or

"Decaf!"

Or

"Step out of your bomb shelter mentality and get some sunlight already."

But I've manage to keep from saying that sort of thing, even when I am sorely tempted.

Naturally this is all just my opinion, take it or leave it.

M.

Is there a group, or many groups out there, that will watch you, move into your neighborhood, or even apartment complex, and then begin to attempt to influence you into an action?

the corporate elite - through your tv, google analytics, advertising, marketing & mass media !- do it to all to influence all to act as perfect sheeps.

and they're really good at it.

but that was a parenthesis, i like the point i feel you're trying to make in the whole post (although it seems most of the replies in the thread concentrate on the subject of the thread and i wonder if those posters have read more than 2 lines of the opening post) but be aware that this idea could as well drive those vulnerable lone-guner types into full paranoïa !
what me, i'd say to those is get remote, get wild, change life, become a hippy.
be & live; it's the best shield.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by ::.mika.::]

[edit on 15-8-2009 by ::.mika.::]

You see, to me, it does not take something so huge as the Hadron Collider, to see that there is order of out chaos, that there is a pattern even when there should be no pattern when it comes to how these groups, if in fact they do exist, because if you see one pattern, you’ve seen them all and you do not need a wet-nurse to spoon feed you strained peas to know you’re being fed mush. How, you might ask, that I can see everything under the sky as a pattern, when there is no conceivable pattern to these types of events like Oklahoma City, Columbine, or September 11th, well I will tell you it is not easy, in fact it has taken the better part of my entire life to see this type of pattern, because in fact it is a pattern that is designed to not look like a pattern, but because the Shadow Government is a typical bureaucracy, they need to follow strict guidelines, in order to not get caught, so, predictably, they have set up a pattern of no patterns, which is in itself a pattern nonetheless. You might think I have scrambled eggs inside my brainpan and that I am talking nonsense, complete and utter chaos, like nuts chasing squirrels, instead of the usual front yard shenanigans of the fuzzy tailed critter who scampers up the tree when humans come into their presence.

I am of course speaking of liberty and tyranny, and within chaos is a sense of order, if you only know what to look at and how to look at it and for it. I will give you a few simple examples, and you can put it together for yourself, okay?

Let’s look at the history of “lone nut assassins” and other “lone nuts” in that they seemingly act alone, and they have no other “conspirators” when they do the dirty deed and commit the action which gets them known for all times as the “lone nut” who killed someone famous, and changed history for the worse by making an action happen which sets into our mind that someone acting alone can in fact “make a difference”, but only for the negative, because as we all know “one man can make a difference” is a metaphor which is hard to live up to, unless apparently, you are a “lone nut assassin”.

John Wilkes Booth : A “lone nut” who killed Abraham Lincoln, according to history, because of his disgruntlement with Lincoln for freeing the slaves and humiliating the South by winning the Civil War, after the unsuccessful secession of the Confederate states.

Jack the Ripper : A “lone nut” who murdered eleven victims, and apparently taunted the police, Scotland Yard, and the hierarchy of London and terrorized the Whitechapel District with his or her heinous actions of grizzly butchering. He was never caught, or was he…

Gavrilo Princip : A “lone nut” who killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand via a car bomb, when the driver apparently went down an incorrect street, and had to turn around, sparking off WWI, what was called the “war to end all wars”. His co-conspirators all lost their nerve, which makes him the sole assassin, which could have been by sheer happenstance, or carefully calculated premeditated action…

Marinus van der Lubbe : A “lone nut” who apparently cause the Reichstag fire, which led to Hitler declaring Martial Law, blaming the Communist Party, locking the country down, which led to the eventual extinction of eleven million souls in the Concentration Camps across Europe.

Lee Harvey Oswald : A “lone nut” who apparently defected to Russia, sold them “secrets”, married a Russian woman, re-defected back to the U.S.A., and successfully planned, plotted, and carried the assassination of John F Kennedy.

Timothy McVeigh : A “lone nutcase” who apparently had a grudge against the F.B.I. in Oklahoma City, who took a van, filled with enough explosives to blow off the front half of the building and kill many hundreds of innocent people.

I will take only those six individuals, and use them as a template to form a pattern for you, and we will together begin to see there is in fact a continuous and constant pattern, and possibly we can prevent the next heinous action because we are in fact a little smarter than we were a few minutes ago. We will take a few points out of these events, limiting the information at first, so the pattern can emerge little by little, like developing film in a dark room, you start with each small piece of the action to “develop” the “picture”.

What was lost because of these events?

Well, for one, a life, or lives were taken, before they were supposed to be for these people who may have lived into the ripe old ages of one hundred or so years.

This is human life, snuffed out, prematurely, by one “lone nut” according to the official story.

Life, such a small thing, to cost so dearly, that changed so much in the world.

What else was lost as these events unfolded?

Well, I guess that would be safety, next, because how many people feel safe after someone has done such heinous actions?

Safety is such a relative term, in that each person deems safety as a different definition, based upon their own independent notion of something they generally take for granted.

What else was lost due to the events told to us in history books to this day?
Order, a sense of complete and total order in how the world functions, how our everyday society functions, which brought about chaos.

Another thing we often take for granted, order was taken, and had to be restored after it was stolen by a thief in the night who committed an action which they are still talked about to this day.

Life, safety, order, all things that we as society love so much, but often enough take for granted because unless it is threatened, we often forget about it just like the lettuce sitting in your refrigerator’s crisper, because as we all know, out of sight, out of mind.

Is the pattern emerging for you yet, or is the film not developed yet and you need a few more chemical reactions to get your blood flowing in your brain?

What is life, if not a soul, inhabiting a body, contained in essence in a soft shell casing that will allow its physical interaction with the surrounding world, the inhabitants of Earth, the things that are often enjoyed like going to work, watching plays, or walking the streets aimlessly wandering about in our daily functioning and often boring lives?

What is safety, if not a guarantee that our body, being inhabited by our soul, is in a continued existence which is allowed to happen against the bonds of the soft skin that is designed to maintain our essence, which is the soul, in a sense the life force which we need to keep energy flowing to our power our bodies movements?

What is order, if not the guarantee of safety, that we will not be harmed, and that our continued interaction with other people, loved ones, co-workers, and fellow human on this planet will keep happening and be a structured yet loose environment where we come and go as we please?
Sounds interesting, even fascinating, yet we need to dig a little deeper than that, and see what those things lead to ultimately in order that we may see a clearer “big picture” in that we want a pattern to emerge from chaos where life, safety, and order were taken from us.

What else was taken from these events that are so seemingly small as to almost lose our sight while looking for it?

How about property? Property I ask you, as you scratch your fuzzy head?
A theater, a city district, a vehicle, a building of government, a plaza and book depository, a government building, property indeed.

Wow, this is odd indeed, is it not, a pattern is emerging.

Life, safety, order, and property, all things which we “value” in some sense, some sort, or another, in some fashion they hold value to all humans on Earth, am I correct?

What else did we lose?

We will look for two more items, in order to make it six items lost for six events with six “lone nuts”.

I like even numbers.

What about time, did we lost time in this equation about “lone nuts” and their victims?

Sure, if you think about it, we did lose time, we lost it in the fashion of losing a change of history in that these people may have made life different, even possibly better for our future tomorrow at that time, so in essence our history was changed, and time itself was robbed from us in that we will now never know how life may have been different, possibly better and or life altering in the sense that our time on Earth has somehow been altered.

Okay, so now we have five things lost, albeit the last one was a little difficult to see.

In fact it was odd, wasn’t it?

Well, just you wait for the next one.

What about the “lone nut” himself? Whoa, you say, this guy has gone off the deep end.

Well, whether it was a good things, or a bad thing, we “lost” the “lone nut”, correct?

One chased down and killed, one hunted for and never found (or was he/she), one imprisoned, one executed, one assassinated after fulfilling his assassination, and one “lost” to a trial and then killed by lethal injection.

There is it again, whether it was valued or not, more human life lost, although this time it was the “lone nut”, someone who was seen as a detriment to society in that they committed some heinous act.

A”Confederate” (some would say sore loser), a killer (murder is murder, even of hookers), a bomber (his weapon sparked off a war), an arson (his arson sparked off a lockdown, which lead to eventual war), a loner (his act sparked off a cover-up and mistrust of Government), a terrorist (his action lead to tighter laws about terror).

Let’s go back to that property, and examine it for a minute, if you will.
A theater, a place of relative safety where one goes to watch plays, at least in that time, now they are for movies.

A district, they are often defined by areas of a city where people of certain ethnicities congregate.

A vehicle, something that was still fairly new at the time of this incident, but which are now flourishing and taking up the roadways in the hustle and bustle of society.

A government building, something which declares “safety” just by being there, which in fact symbolizes power.

A plaza and book depository, the plaza in the shape of three roads intersecting and looking at it from above seems to shape into a peace sign, and a book depository which holds knowledge, even as dusty books fill a building such as a depository they still contain knowledge.

How odd, another government building, this time in a different country, yet it still symbolizes power and safety, in a relative manner.

All of these “properties” are places where people occupy their time, doing various activities, some enjoying down time, some enjoying living in homes, some enjoying riding along minding their own business, some where people work to protect the people (did they enjoy that job safety?), some enjoying the limelight and traveling among the people, some more where people work to protect the people albeit a different nation this time (I wonder if they enjoyed their job safety too?).

Well, now is that not odd indeed, living life, enjoying relative safety, enjoying the order that was there, minding their own business on property or in property, and then blam, a “lone nut” happens along, and then we lost him as well to the chaos which ensued, to restore life, safety, order, for us to be able to go back to our property in relative peace and quiet.

I am beginning to see a pattern emerging, what about you, is the picture still too fuzzy, or are the lines becoming clearer and clearer?

So, we have life or lives, lost, safety taken away or lost, order lost and turned into chaos, property damaged and or seen as potentially dangerous at least for a time, and the lost of a “lone nut” which was according to the series of events, responsible for making all of those things become lost, losing himself in fact to the actions because of a demand for a return of order out of the chaos.

Life and death, order and chaos, divide and conquer, safety and security, questions and answers.

Life, safety, order, property, time, and the “lone nut”, an odd assembly of things lost, is it not?

So, the “lone nut”, took time, his time, taking our time, took property at least for a time, took away order creating chaos, and through that chaos safety was lost, losing a life or lives.

What have we gained for far here in the pattern, a web if you will, like a spider would cast to catch its prey?

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
This thread is asking if you are "right-wing fringe" or "left-wing fringe".

Da Spwing has spwung, da gwas has wiz,
I wonda ware da boidiez is?
I taught da boidz wuz on da wing -
But datz absoid,
becuz da wingz iz on da boidies!

Or was possibly Timothy McVeigh pushed into an action because of his political leanings, that he was reacting in opposition to how he normally would have acted, and fell slap dab into the middle of a trap.

No. He was a coward who wanted to kill innocent people. Nothing about him says he was anything less than pathetic.

I hope he is rotting in hell.



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