Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

I always assumed it would be a set up. A false flag operation in of itself...

www.youtube.com...

You never did say wither or not youd do the interview

It does not necessarily take two to tango. A cold set up is what it would tke to get me twice. I will not be burned that way again. LOOOOONG story...

If I choose to let myself be pushed I will go on the offense because it is the best defense.

@ the limited government Idea it is doomed to failure due to this. Eventually they will become corrupt and attempt to protect their own power and authority.

It will work for a little while then it will devolve back. The only way to guarantee it working is to have no government with the ability to take civil rights away from anyone.

According to silly, little, online quizzes I've taken I'm pretty far left while being sufficiently independent.

I never really bought into the idea of someone not claiming to be right or left for fear of being labeled. You're denying yourself, one way or another. Now, I can see the argument of being agreeable but...does that necessarily mean you have no solid stance on anything? Why or why not?

If anyone really doesn't know or just believes they're truly down the center, go ahead and take one of those silly online political compass quizes. Some are longer than others, the one in my signature is short but non-scientific while being very specific.

Originally posted by ripcontrol
I always assumed it would be a set up. A false flag operation in of itself...

www.youtube.com...

You never did say wither or not youd do the interview

It does not necessarily take two to tango. A cold set up is what it would tke to get me twice. I will not be burned that way again. LOOOOONG story...

If I choose to let myself be pushed I will go on the offense because it is the best defense.

@ the limited government Idea it is doomed to failure due to this. Eventually they will become corrupt and attempt to protect their own power and authority.

It will work for a little while then it will devolve back. The only way to guarantee it working is to have no government with the ability to take civil rights away from anyone.

Well, they have to let you live long enough, to be interviewed, so we will play it by ear.

That's just it about being set up though as it is something I always watch for, always.

I had a discussion with a friend the other day about people using my name on an application.

Anyone who knows me knows I do not take my name and or experience lightly.

If and when someone uses my name on application for a job, they had better have asked me.

If not, I burn them immediately, and tell the person not to hire them.

My reason for this?

Because my name and experience is currency and no one trades on that, without my knowledge.

There are quite a few reasons for that more so than it being currency.

I have a right to know who is and is not using my name, especially if someone is using it to get hired, and I want to know in advance, in case some corporation calls me.

It is called common courtesy and common respect and if someone trades on my name, without telling me, it is a distinct lack of respect, and as well more than likely only the people who do not understand respect will attempt something so foolish.

I've burned quite a few people who were immediately fired upon my finding out they did this, and it is relevant to this thread because of the "left-wing/right-wing" mentality.

Originally posted by links234
According to silly, little, online quizzes I've taken I'm pretty far left while being sufficiently independent.

I never really bought into the idea of someone not claiming to be right or left for fear of being labeled. You're denying yourself, one way or another. Now, I can see the argument of being agreeable but...does that necessarily mean you have no solid stance on anything? Why or why not?

If anyone really doesn't know or just believes they're truly down the center, go ahead and take one of those silly online political compass quizes. Some are longer than others, the one in my signature is short but non-scientific while being very specific.

Well, I will respect your reply, but I disagree to some degree.

A quiz does not tell you which you are because a quiz can be fixed to get predetermined outcomes.

And I do not claim to not be "right-wing" or "left-wing" for fear of being labeled.

I do not claim it, I state it quite clearly, and I have survived in spite of being labeled.

I do not fit the mold of either side of the false dichotomy, I fit both, and fit neither.

I am completely independent and wish to remain so because I see picking one of two sides, as limiting one's self, because those who lead those two sides are far too similar.

When you have but two choices, you are limited to a set of predetermined ideals.

There is always a third choice, a third option, a third decision to be made.

Why do you think they call the pineal eye the "Third Eye"?

Because the two eyes on your face can fail you because the hand is quicker than the eye.

Intuitive and cognitive belief is something I believe is more so than partisan propaganda.

The last few years have been an eye opener to me. I've been left (sometimes extreme) all my life. I have to admit I looked at right wing people as either evil or stupid.

Then the environmental movement got hijacked by the global warming alarmists. Corporate interests took over. So many lies and blatant propoganda. I looked at my left wing friends and couldn't believe they were falling for this crap. Science was skewed and cherry picked. It all came down to a new religion emerging. Mostly urban, left wing athiests.

I couldn't give my opinion any more without being branded a right-wing creationist or something. It was insane. What does your political party have to do with the weather!??

Don't follow...Lead. Both sides are prone to extremism and complete insanity. My advice is to just stay away from the rah, rah bandwagon thinking of any political party.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Gamma MO]

Originally posted by Gamma MO
The last few years have been an eye opener to me. I've been left (sometimes extreme) all my life. I have to admit I looked at right wing people as either evil or stupid.

Then the environmental movement got hijacked by the global warming alarmists. Corporate interests took over. So many lies and blatant propoganda. I looked at my left wing friends and couldn't believe they were falling for this crap. Science was skewed and cherry picked. It all came down to a new religion emerging. Mostly urban, left wing athiests.

I couldn't give my opinion any more without being branded a right-wing creationist or something. It was insane. What does your political party have to do with the weather!??

Don't follow...Lead. Both sides are prone to extremism and complete insanity. My advice is to just stay away from the rah, rah bandwagon thinking of any political party.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Gamma MO]

That's just it, Gamma MO, a political party has zilch to do with weather.

The weather will rain, snow, and sleet on Republicans just as much as Democrats.

It is simple divide and conquer though to have each party affiliation drag you to one side or the other, and give your money, time, and attention to.

I do not follow, I lead, and by example, in not falling for the trap of partisan cherry-picking.

Do not become a cherry to be picked off the tree.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I chose a political party because I looked at their ideals and found they mostly are in-tune with my own. Naturally not every representative can hold the same beliefs as every one of their constituents, for that reason you choose the one side that most fits your ideals. That's speaking on a strictly political party way of thinking. What's most deeply unfortunate about American politics is that your vote only matters if you choose a 'D' or an 'R'. Money brings power in this country and the majority rules. I see people on a daily basis shriek at the hint of socialism yet I look at democratically socialist nations in europe and find they're better represented than I am on a national level. Pirate party in Sweden?!

You can get in deeper with deciding which issues you feel the most strong about. I'm for higher taxes for higher earners but I'm against abortion, to an extent, while being all for gun ownership. Spreading the wealth while maintaining individuality...I feel stronger about some issues than others, this will affect my vote.

You can claim to be middle of the road and independent all day long, but you have an idea on how things ought to be, this leads you to the left or to the right. Otherwise you're just a limp noodle making irrational decisions based on the time of day.

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

I chose a political party because I looked at their ideals and found they mostly are in-tune with my own. Naturally not every representative can hold the same beliefs as every one of their constituents, for that reason you choose the one side that most fits your ideals. That's speaking on a strictly political party way of thinking. What's most deeply unfortunate about American politics is that your vote only matters if you choose a 'D' or an 'R'. Money brings power in this country and the majority rules. I see people on a daily basis shriek at the hint of socialism yet I look at democratically socialist nations in europe and find they're better represented than I am on a national level. Pirate party in Sweden?!

I do understand just how someone generally goes about picking a political party.

My thoughts on it though are that both the Democrat's and Republican's are playing the citizenry for fools, seemingly at odds, while having an agenda, divide and conquer.

I have not found either political party as better than the other, both are a false dichotomy.

If you are forced to pick one of two sides, you are being forced to pick a predetermined outcome.

In other words, if we have all these other political parties, yet two are the only ones ever dominating the Presidential elections, as well as a majority of the other political offices throughout our nation, people should be scratching their heads and wondering.

A complete and total dominance of two different political parties, over all the rest, should be a near statistical impossibility, if things are being run right, where the citizens are making decisions, but a majority of the citizenry do not even vote.

Politician's pander to a party ideal and to the majority through polls.

A poll is a fixed position decision picker, depending upon the people to participate.

If only 10% participate, then 10% of the populace is deciding, for the other 90%.

As well, politician's believe falsely, that this doing a poll on a certain set of demographics is fair.

Yes, I realize life is not fair, but by doing these poll's this way, they intentionally skew how things are done, by picking selectively, I might add, who they are going to try to curry favor from, in how they reply, respond, or speak to.

On top of this the lobbying groups, special interest groups, and Big Money decide.

More often than not those organizations write the laws for those politicians.

This is exactly why the Healthcare discussions did not work at those Town Hall meetings.

The lobbying groups, special interest groups, and Big Money have insulated the politicians.

Because they've paid for the politician's re-election machine which rigs the election.

Those in power in Washington D.C. have grown so far out of touch with society.

Originally posted by links234
You can get in deeper with deciding which issues you feel the most strong about. I'm for higher taxes for higher earners but I'm against abortion, to an extent, while being all for gun ownership. Spreading the wealth while maintaining individuality...I feel stronger about some issues than others, this will affect my vote.

I have yet to have found a politician who does not make me want to puke.

I see, hear, and comprehend the political double-speak.

Each and every one of them are liars, cheats, and ignoramuses.

Originally posted by links234
You can claim to be middle of the road and independent all day long, but you have an idea on how things ought to be, this leads you to the left or to the right. Otherwise you're just a limp noodle making irrational decisions based on the time of day.

It is not my claiming to be middle of the road, it is a fact, claiming it would mean I'm not sincere, and I am sincere, I've registered as an Independent, period.

My thoughts on how things should be, verses how they actually are, are completely different.

The corruption, graft, and political horse-puckey I see go on in Washington D.C. makes me ill.

It does not lead me left, nor does it lead me right, it leads me to believe our country is doomed.

Instead of making statements about limp noodles which does nothing but lamely force your opinion upon me, about me, how about instead actually asking my stances?

I see both sides of the proverbial coin, two headed coin at that, both sides have an agenda.

To not allow the country to be run except through divide and conquer mentality.

Remember, there are two sides of the coin, but as well, there is a third side.

The serrated edge of the coin, which cuts like a knife, and cuts to the quick of it.

I do not now, nor will I ever want to pick left or right when it comes to politics.

I see the straight down the middle path as the most interesting path.

I do nothing according to other people's wishes, ideals, thoughts, or illusions.

This is because I am not a blind follower but a well rounded leader.

I was taught specifically to never be a follower, like the lemmings running at the slightest noise.

I was taught to watch out for the cliff when the lemmings might run off of it.

And to know how to turn the herd around before they plunge to their demise.

Politics is nothing more than a staged show, why else would it be called The World Stage?

I think inside the box, outside the box, and smash the box and start over.

My ideas and ideals of how our nation and this world work, over how it is taught that it is supposed to work, clash immensely, because I see nothing more than bureaucracy choking off society, instead of promoting the intelligence, those in power seek instead to rule by fear, stupidity, and anger.

In other words, there is a distinct discrepancy, between the ideals and reality of the world.

Xenophobia is a strong emotion and those citizens who vote are too terrified to reach out into the unknown, and become a leader themselves, and instead they neglect their responsibilities as citizens to become leaders and shirk their duty.

Instead they would rather whine, complain, and bitch about those in office.

When they know full well that to make that change happen they have to actually get into the political arena themselves, and fight against those who screw our nation.

People have forgotten that picking up a weapon will not solve the problems.

A block of C-4, a M-16, and a noose will not change the system, nor will flying a plane into a building, those are acts of cowards, of people who think only of physical action.

How about picking up the paperwork to get into political office and making the change?

Before you answer the last question, it was rhetorical, people are far too irresponsible, lazy, and selfish as well as self-centered, and would rather someone else do it.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


What do you do when it's time to vote?

Do you vote for a third party that has no chance of victory just to give you that warm, fuzzy, independent feeling?

Do you not vote at all and take the cynical, 'the country is doomed regardless of my attempts to change it' attitude?

Do you look at each of the 'big' party candidates and vote for the one that most closely matches your own feelings in an attempt to make the world a 'better place'?

You go on and on about the deception of political candidates but recently there's a surge of libertarian-esque tea party candidates claiming to be regular citizens running under the GOP flag. Are these people not being true to themselves or are they just going for the big money to better their chances to win?

If I remember correctly from one of our previous discussions you and I differ on our world views, I got the distinct feeling that you're leaning towards the lower right of the matrix. Individual freedoms while maintaining conservative values.