Nick Berg: US PsyOp sacrifice?

That's a fact, Jb1.

But father and son were not in agreement with one another on the war and Bush, it seems.

I posted this elsewhere:

www.breakfornews.com...

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by MaskedAvatar]

Originally posted by John bull 1
Am I slow?

BT are you saying that Nick Berg's father was listed as an enemy of the state on a right wing website even before all this happened ?

As MaskedA stated, yes.
If you're not aware of Free Republic: it's message board consists of those who regurlarly endorse the killing or overt trouble making for anyone or entity that fails to buy into their jingoistic & hyper belligerent version of "patriotism".
They are the reason that TV show & online polls are worthless: as good FASCISTS do, they jump into lockstep opposition for anything that their leaders recommend opposing.....so they would reply, for example, 100's of times each to any query that they want to manipulate the outcome towards. If you're psy./socialogically inquistive, I recommend going to the article which links to their forum....it's seeing the birth of the American Fascists movement all over again.
While Nick was a Rambo want-to-be, his father is a man of letters who rightly viewed the Iraqi distraction as being bad for all involved & the world.
Since he signed their company up on the petition for that protest, they made the Freeper's Enemy List.

They just said on Fox News that Nick Berg has been question by the FBI before because he let a suspected terrorist use his computer to send emails while he was still a college student.

Still looking for links.

I think someone should write an updated ATSNN story.

I'd do it myself but I don't know enough about it.

PS thats an excellent news story you linked to there MA

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by John bull 1]

I just noticed this statement in the speech made supposedly by Al-Zarqawi before he beheaded Berg:

"And as for you and the Americans soldiers wife then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused."
www.homelandsecurityus.com...

Has anyone heard or found out anything about this reported offer of exchange???

I heard on the radio this morning that Nick Berg's Father
was/is on the FBI's list of dangerous american's or something to that extent.
Heard it on Morning Sedition this morning if anyone out there has xm radio.

p.s. very interesting spin on this event, one I hadn't thought of!
Keep it up!!!

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by SkipShipman
The US government on the substantive portion of media control, does not allow releases of information unless it serves a purpose. The clouded minds of most people is so centered on America, that any international bruhaha is functionally and practically ignored.

Agreed. But if you noticed, the US Govt did not release this story. It was an Arab website.
It's also of interest to note that Berg's family were notified of his death on Monday. His body was actually found on Saturday.

Thats true leveller ....but who is to say that psy-ops doesnt have the ability to hand over this video thru whatever channels and then it is shown on an arab website...????

Originally posted by Bout Time

.....gues whose company was on it!

On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.

It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy."
The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).

Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: "Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc."
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The web traffic to the Free Republic forum --and it's forum membership-- include significant numbers of serving and former US military

Some delight in causing mischief for those they think are identified as "enemies."

Within minutes of getting their hands on the antiwar names, one was boasting of having contacted the military about active service personnel who were on the list:


"I forwarded the list to the ISC (the command you listed),

If that list could end up on an Internet forum, then it could just as readily end up with the FBI,
At the time the list was posted, Nick Berg had just come back from an Iraq trip lasting from late December to Feb. 1. He had reported no problems whatsoever with Iraqi police during that visit.

Yet, within two weeks of the list being posted, Nick Berg --back in Iraq on his final fatal trip--

Outstanding work bout time .....i can just feel the flag waving ,belligerent ,the old u.s. government does nothing wrong mouthpieces squirming in there seats.....
im now convinced this is CIA/MOSSAD psy-ops all the way......time and time again they have slaughtered many people for there masters the...... GLOBAL ELITE !!!

To slaughter one individual is nothing to them as they will go to no end to pull off there plan of world domination and enslavement.

Its time for people to wakey wakey and realize there being used and stop supporting people that are behind this type of action....if they knew the truth ....they surely wouldnt support them....it is a problem with the ego though....they just want to believe that there political pundit does no wrong and that history as they were taught it in school is the absolute truth.....!
If this is countered, the ego says...."my intelligence has been insulted.....".....its says to the owner of the body ..."At least i know this much is true".....
if anything contrary to this belief is shown to them ...they are insulted and will defend what they believe to be the truth ...tooth and nail......CLASSICAL CONDITIONING AND PROGRAMMING...!

ITS LIKE TRYING TO SAVE SOMEONE FROM A CULT AFTER THEVE BEEN BRAINWASHED.....!

This needs to go public and it needs to go to the big time press and everyone in america needs to know this information.....not just users of ATS.........If you Can Bout time, i Would line up all the info ....create a time line and place this with the other reports and info out there and put it in one posting....
you just got my wats vote.....

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

Some more interesting news here:
Excite

During his time in Iraq, he struggled with the Arabic language and worked at night on a tower in Abu Ghraib, a site of repeated attacks on U.S. convoys and the location of the notorious prison where U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi inmates.

During a briefing Wednesday, Senor confirmed that Berg had registered with the U.S. Consulate in Baghdad but insisted he "was not a U.S. government employee, he has no affiliation with the coalition and to our knowledge he has no affiliation with any Coalition Provisional Authority contractor."

He also stated that Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."

However, in a Jan. 18 e-mail, Berg said his company had been announced as an approved subcontractor for a broadcast consortium awarded a contract for the U.S.-controlled Iraqi Media Network.

"Practically, this means we should be involved with quite a bit of tower work as part of the reconstruction, repair and new construction of the Iraqi Media Network," he wrote, referring to the network as "something like NPR in the U.S."

It was unclear whether the contract was revoked.

More and more of the story coming out.
I wonder if he leaked any info on abuse at Abu Ghraib?

An excellent site here:
INN

They have alot of information on this.
They pointed out something I need someone else to verify:

The terrorists in Berg's beheading video are communicating to each other in Russian ! One of them tells to the executioner who was cutting Berg's head: "Davay pozhivee !" meaning "Do it quicker !", or "Hurry up !" in pure unaccented Russian.

I think Intelgurl speaks Russian, as do a couple of other persons here. Can one of you verify the statements of that site?


[Edited on 13-5-2004 by AceOfBase]

An article with details I haven't seen before:

The FBI apparently conducted a lengthy investigation of Berg in captivity because they were checking out a possible friendship or other tie with an Arab at the University of Oklahoma who was under scrutiny in connection with the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The source said that in addition to his passport, cash and a laptop, Berg had two books when he was arrested in Mosul on March 24 that aroused suspicion: the Koran and a book that authorities somehow interpreted as "anti-Semitic."

Friends say it's unlikely that Berg, a practicing Jew, would have carried an anti-Semitic book but that reading the Koran and other local texts was very much in line with his intellectual curiosity.

Berg stubbornly refused American offers of assistance in getting home - including an offer of free airfare, cash and an American escort. He told authorities before his April 6 release that he was eager to get back to work seeking contracts in Iraq, telling U.S. authorities "he was losing thousands of dollars in jail."

The New York Times is reporting this morning that Berg also sent a lengthy e-mail to his family after he was detained. Among the questions asked, he wrote, were: "Why was I in Iraq? Did I ever make a pipe bomb? Why was I in Iran?"

The Times said he conjectured that their questions arose from some Farsi literature and a book about Iran that he had. Berg wrote that after four days he was transferred to a cellblock that included prisoners charged with petty offenses and suspected "war criminals."

"Word had spread due to the presence of certain items amongst my stuff that I was Israeli," Berg wrote. "So I felt a bit like Arlo Guthrie walking into a jail full of mother rapers and father stabbers as an accused litterbug."

Philly.com (requires free subscription)

I heard on Fox News that the FBI had investigated him before because a guy who was suspected of terrorist activities had used his computer to send emails while he was in college. I'm guessing that's the 911 guy they mentioned in the article.

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by AceOfBase]

The person who used Berg's email account was Zacarias Moussaoui.
They say he used it without Berg's knowledge though.
Fox News

FBI agents interviewed Berg a few years ago when they were investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, sources said. He was interviewed because, unbeknownst to him, Moussaoui had used his e-mail account when he was in Oklahoma.

He gave his email password to a guy he met on a on a bus, that guy gave it to Moussaoui:
CNN

[Edited on 14-5-2004 by AceOfBase]

Behind the Masks --Clues From Graphic Tape of Beheading Could Help Identify Killers (ABCNEWS.com) A close examination of the tape shows none of the five masked men is wearing gloves, so federal officials are trying to determine if there are any tell-tale tattoos on their hands. One of the clues the FBI and CIA is studying is the large gold ring

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From the Washington Post, March 4, 2004
Alleged Berg Killer Reported Dead in March Leaflet Says Extremist Al-Zarqawi Killed
A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombings and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a leaflet signed by a dozen alleged resistance groups said. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq "during the American bombing there," according to the eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Fallujah, a city 30 miles west of Baghdad that is a hotbed of anti-U.S. resistance activity. ...It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

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Patios-R-Us had a sale!?!



same kind of chair seeen here



Might be a stretch that $5 white plastic chairs seem to be ubiquitous so far from K-Mart....then again, maybe not.

The first place I ever saw the cheap plastic white or green chair was in the Middle East. Only later did I begin to see them in America, in the nineties.

Now we need a timeline of cheap lawn-furnature, and info on where KMart imports them from.

Is there some kind of Martha Stewart Collection connection?

www.breakfornews.com...

US person heard on beheading video. i say American, since the phrasing is definetly stateside born.

More here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

PsyOp proven?

Originally posted by leftydave
7did those killers...their weapons...their demeanor...look like arabs to you ??
who stood to gain from this madness...the Arabs ??? sure..right..!!
Who were the last people to see this man ?? How did he go from US Military custody to El Quaeda...in 48 hours or less ?? Who believes that El Quaeda is in Iraq??... (only if we put them there!)

All very good points... I'd like to see the political grandstanding the gop was doing the next day as Bout Time mentioned.

Can we get a link for this?

Also this statement was made:
“The truth is, al-Qaida is not present in Iraq,” the Mujahedeen statement said. Though many Arabs entered the country to fight U.S. troops, only a small number remain, the group said.


The statement said the “fabricated al-Zarqawi memo” has been used by the U.S.-run coalition “to back up their theory of a civil war” in Iraq.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

[edit on 10-9-2005 by TrueLies]

I was looking through the "Voice of the White House" posts trying to decide if they're genuine or not, and I came across this article which goes into White House gossip about Nick Berg's beheading. This would seem to confirm the trend of thoughts on this topic so far and add some detail:

He was killed by CIA interrogators and decapitated after he was dead, for propaganda purposes. The FBI had their hands on him but could get nothing out of him so the Company boys took over, played too rough and killed him. Then they contacted headquarters and decided on a grisly charade. They put makeup on him (his face was all banged up) and faked a beheading. When you cut someone�s throat, there is a terrible amount of blood squirting out all over the place. Not so in the Berg video. And after they cut off his head, they buried it out in the desert because if anyone ever found it attached to his body, they would know how he died and no one wanted to autopsy the skull and remove the American-made slug from his brain. The headless body was tossed out in southern Iraq and left to bloat for a while and then �discovered� and sent home.

Thank You, Rich, for your contribution. I always had a gut feeling that there was an intelligence service connection somewhere, and this offers a very plausible explanation.

Berg was alive as they cut him up. he moves as the man behind him steps forward, his shoulders raise and his face turns - Not the way a dead man would move. He is alive, as you can hear him rasping for breath as they do the deed on him, and as they have to sit on his back to keep him still, well that poor dude was alive.

BUT - There are American voices in the background, and a very strange noise / voice almost drowning out the speaker at the start of the footage.

Not your average killing thats for sure.

Has anything been flagged in the MSM? Does this still have legs on more conspiracy minded outlets?