The United States is still a British Colony

Brittania is a province of the Roman Empire and no one can present documentation demonstrating a formal separation.


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Originally posted by mmiichael


Brittania is a province of the Roman Empire and no one can present documentation demonstrating a formal separation.


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You are absolutely correct. That is what the Informer's book, The Myth and the Reality covers.

Wow some great posts here I am learning new things which is great! Thank you all for your contributions.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


Finally! That first page was so disheartening. Everybody posting that the research was ridiculous without even reading it. Even a moderator, LOL.

I have only had time so far to read through part 1. But the guy makes an excellent case on the U.S. not winning the Revolutionary war and how we are still indebted to the British Monarch.

But here is the question. If we have been paying taxes to the British Monarch since the civil war how was that tax collected prior to the formation of the IRS?

reply to post by harvib


Good question and can we follow the money trail? I am sure he addresses this in future pages if not I gots to go digging

reply to post by ashnomadonte


Okay, I know my avatar was funny, but yours is making me

You asked why earlier??? I thought I touched on that a tad bit, but I'll try again.

IMHO empires always had the problem of people becoming unhappy. They wanted choice, or to know they did something on their own; they were the ones choosing their own destiny.... This combined with other monetary issues they created all the illusions. Most of the world ties back into the Holy Roman Empire.

Another example of false freedoms/independence was the 13th amendment. Did you know there were other original 13th amendments??? One of the originals was going to guarantee slavery for the south??? It was all over money...PERIOD.

In the end no slave was freed. Now we are all subject to the 13th, and 14th amendment citizens.....

In the end we are all slaves without any entitlements....

I know the slavery one is hard to swallow, but go look it up. One of the original drafts GUARANTEED slavery..

Just goes to show the PTB have been around for a long time, and only after money.

They don't think any of us are worth squat. I truly believe the PTB see all of us as nothing more than dogs. They are B*ST*RDS

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


thank you for braking it down barny style for me indeed I now see what you were trying to get across and as for the 13 amendment granted it was in an original draft however it is not in our constitution now.

Still I agree with your point of view.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


Thanks for posting but after reading it several times I can honestly say I haven't got a scooby what all that is on about.
Sorry it's just all 'legalese' to me.
Hopefully there is someone a bit more legally minded who can cut through the mumbo jumbo and tell us what it really says and means.

reply to post by Freeborn


I tried to read it however after my brains turned to mush and started to leak out my ears I decided it was time to stop and let ATS take over. so much BS why can't these things be simple

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by ashnomadonte

 

Finally! That first page was so disheartening. Everybody posting that the research was ridiculous without even reading it. Even a moderator, LOL.

Now you are beginning to piss me off with your blind ignorance.
I have stated on several occassions that I have read the OP and watched the vid, I simply don't agree with it.
What is hard for you to understand about that?

You can keep on asking me to provide evidence.
Why?
I don't agree with the whole premise.

Again, this has been discussed on numerous occassions here on ATS and as such I am familiar with most of the arguements and counter arguements.

Do a simple search of the Federal Treasury and The British Crown etc.

I am still prepared to consider that it may be true which is why I still read on the subject and treat everything upon it's merits, but on the whole, when considering all the evidence that I have seen, I don't think that the US is still a British Colony.
Pretty straight forward in my book!!

I have only had time so far to read through part 1. But the guy makes an excellent case on the U.S. not winning the Revolutionary war and how we are still indebted to the British Monarch.

So, you freely admit that you have only seen a proportion of the evidence presented in this thread without even doing any research of your own yet you have formed a hadened opinion already?
That's hardly balanced reasoning and with all due respect hardly makes your opinion informed.

But here is the question. If we have been paying taxes to the British Monarch since the civil war how was that tax collected prior to the formation of the IRS?

If you have been paying taxes to the British monarch can I see some proof because if you have then I am going to seek a refund for what I have paid her through my contributions to The Civil List and she has illegally not declared an income, something she, as every British citizen, is entitled to do.
We, the British taxpayers don't pay tax direct to The Queen.
The Queen receives payment from The Civil List which is granted by Parliament.

I assure you, the US won The War Of Independance, for whatever reasons we won't go into here.
The 1812 - 1815 War was a bit of a farce as far as wars went in those days and wasn't really taken seriously by the UK.
The UK tried to support the Confederacy in your Civil War and so was again on the loosing side.
The US exploited absolute billions out of the UK through WWII, a debt we have only just finished paying.
The US gained several armed bases strategically positioned througout the world off the UK as payment for your belated assistance in WWII.

So run that by me again, just who beat who and who has made money out of who?

The US has shafted the UK at every opportunity since they gained independance, such is the way of the world.

I once talked to my old history teacher about the American War Of Independence. He said that to understand what was going on at that time you shouldn't think of it as American colonials trying to oust the British but consider the war a second English Civil War. Then, he said, it starts to make sense. After all both sides of the conflict were either British or had British parents or family. In some case it was father against son, brother verses brother. The King wanted his tax's while parliament appears to have been on the side of the people, after all it is them who elect them.

reply to post by Freeborn

Now you are beginning to piss me off with your blind ignorance.

Blind ignorance!? You and a few others made statements that the research wasn't correct but provided no counter argument to what the researcher presented as his evidence.

You call me ignorant because I am not willing to dismiss the research because you state it is wrong but make no attempt to show where it is wrong.

I have stated on several occassions that I have read the OP and watched the vid, I simply don't agree with it.

What video?

You can keep on asking me to provide evidence. Why? I don't agree with the whole premise.

Because I am not ready to dismiss this research based on a belief structure. The first post you responded with was "no it isn't". I was interested in how you came to that conclusion. For some reason that seems to offend you. You make statements like this:

It's just archaic nonsense that hasn't been repealed

But then I am "ignorant" when I express frustration at those that regard the information as "nonsense" without even explaining why?

So, you freely admit that you have only seen a proportion of the evidence presented in this thread without even doing any research of your own yet you have formed a hadened opinion already?

What have I said that gives any indication that I have formed a harden opinion on the matter. The only harden opinion I have formed is that I am not willing to dismiss the information based on people's assertion that it simply isn't true. Sorry if that offends you.

reply to post by harvib


I'm not pissed off, I'm Major Easy again, as I should be always.

Unfortunately I am merely human and allow things outside of ATS to occassionally affect me, for that, my apologies Sir.

I'll try to make this as short as possible.

The OP presented some details as possible proof of the US still being a UK colony.
Over the years I have heard this arguement many times before and have seen and heard many pieces of 'evidence' here on ATS and other places.

None of this has convinced me that the US is a British Colony.

Now i'm not trying to convince people that the US is independant and as such do not have to offer any evidence, I am merely saying that I don't agree with the OP.
What is hard to understand about that?

I shall continue to consider all evidence presented with an open mind but at present am unconvinced.

Interesting bit of history I picked up from an academic. Recently uncovered documentation in Britain reveals that the British though the American Revolution was an aberration, and like with the Cromwell Rebellion, things would get back to normal eventually.

And then there was the French Revolution - and it stuck.

Britain and the US intertwined politically with shared interests politically, economically, historically.

Canada, where I live, never quite separated either. Just given an autonomous status as a Dominion, but remained part of of the British Empire. Still nominal recognition of the Queen and her appointee here, the Governor-General.

But what's written on some old piece of paper and what's actually going on are not always the same.

Mike

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Every time America gets itself embroiled in a war the first country it turns to for help is Britain. . . and Britain never, "never", says no. The President clicks his fingers and we, the British, come running.
Far from America being a British colony I think Britain is an American colony! Perhaps we truly are the 53rd state?

We don't come *running* to them, we are in cahoots with them.Our military industrial complex,oil companies and financial institutes are interwoven with each other more than any other country.The anglo-american adventures are a joint effort and not one sided in the slightest.We are intentionally being portrayed as america's little poodle which is the biggest pile of BS the government have tried and ARE getting away with for the most part.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Solomons]

reply to post by Solomons

I agree that we're in cahoots (whatever that means?) with America but I don't believe that we're equal partners. America is a far greater power than the UK and I believe that we, the British, made our choice decades ago when we could of either drew closer to mainland Europe or look west towards the USA. We chose the latter and are now stuck with it for better or for worse. . .
However, one thing we Brits should be proud of is the way we've stood by our friends and not turned our back and walked away when the going got tough.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


It's not about military power,its about geo-political power...and you would be surprised how much power Britain still hold across the world by various means,well placed institutions,puppet governments,intelligence agencies etc As for being friends...the people who run both governments are not friends of any british or American citizen.They would send soldiers and people to die in their millions at the drop of a hat if the reward was big and juicy enough.It's quite a feat for both countries regarding how much they get away with through media manipulation and bare faced lies over the years though.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


I would assume , if the British were smart back in the day, and they were, that they always had people on the inside..

I can honestly see the scenario where a few of our fourfathers were really on the side of the British....

They infiltrated our highest people and gained trust, they said the right things at the right times and probably even killed some fellow brits just to convince...

Wouldn't it make sense for them to do that rather than just give up this HUGE country and all it's valuable land or that they just left????

Originally posted by mtaftm
reply to post by miss_silver

 

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you Americans are British.
so basically your taking the mick out of yourself lol.
and don't be going oh America beat Britain, it was basically a civil war Britain vs Britain and we could of whooped your as then the queen just didn't want to send everyone to America to fight lol.

please don't go on at the queen, England owned 2 3rds of the world and we are a very small country that is why i'm proud of England are little country took over so much.

besides no we could not beat America at this time our country is sh** but back then we could and possibly in the future

I don't really think you could have beat us though.....As we had much land to retreat to...You may have moved further in but we could have spread out to lands unknown to you and therefore still had home field advantage..

Also, if you ( England ) were to send all or more troops and reserves over, it would have taken a toll on your economy.....We could have just out lasted you until you had no more money to fight and pay your soldiers.....


It would have taken many more years but that is how i think about it.

Anyways it does not take away or demean your country's awesome power at the time..


BTW I hate all this American's Vs...British talk...

As far as I'm concerned the Brits are brothers to me just as much as the American's..

We are related genetically and share a common language.

Same for Canadians....

I think nothing more of an American than I do a Brit or Canadian...

Dumb stupid ignorant Americans may taunt me with Benedict Arnold chants for that statement but to me why hate when we can procreate?


I've always loved the British countries for some reason.......That and Asian cultures....

Can't explain it but I have high respect for both cultures.....

Even though I consider America's War Of Independence to actually be a second English Civil war, there is one thing which nobody has touched on when debating this. Britain, with it's superior, better trained army, shouldn't have been beaten. Even American historians say that, but perhaps it wasn't a defeat. Maybe, just maybe, this was the groundwork, the laying of the foundations for a super power controlled by the masons!? After all Cornwallis, a 33 degree mason, surrendered to Washington, a 33 degree mason. . . I think the nub of world power was simply moved further west away from London and Europe to the Americas where a new empire could begin and thrive.