Government Prepares for “unwillingness to follow government orders”

reply to post by warrenb


I'm fairly sure virtually all the states have mandatory vaccination exemptions. If you're concerned that an untested drug that uses mercury as a preservative will be forced on your kid so a pharmaceutical company can make a few billion dollars, look up the applicable state vaccination statutes and exemption paperwork and file them promptly with the school administrator at the beginning of the next school year.

My home state, Michigan, does not permit a child to be removed from school for failing to get vaccinated, as long as an exemption is filed promptly. Strangely, the state's official exemption form asks you to agree to your child being removed even though the statute says they cannot ask you to do this. The state one is far too broad in its scope - effectively asking you to cut your own legs off.

My advice is to go directly to the statute for the real law. Then, go to a 3rd party organization for a sample exemption form for your state that you can sign and give to the school.

Michigan doesn't even require a religious explanation - can be personal choice. The people who died or became paralyzed in 1976 as a result of taking an untested vaccine didn't die in vain if you can learn a lesson about government fearmongering that isn't supported by facts.

This a good sample form for Michigan Schools that doesn't ask you to waive anything you don't have to:
www.momvaccines.org...

In addition, a separate document can be submitted to the school to prevent them from telling any state or federal entities that you refused vaccination for your child.

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Originally posted by Grossac
reply to post by havok

 

They should not have any issues to let people in who hasnt been vaccinated... Christ, they would be the ones supposidely at risk.. The ones vaccinated should be immune no?

The way they will rationalize this, is you don't get vaccine, thay will say you will spread the flu.

I can understand the need for preparedness. But that being said... I too have heard that, when compared to other diseases, this flu doesn't have as high a mortality rate... More people die from other more common diseases, and yet, this one is the one that gets all the attention? Somehow I doubt this more than "just preparing ourselves for the worst" scenario.

um... well instead of sitting here at our terminals... bi**hing about this.. why are we doing nothing???? for those that ask.. oh I dont know.. marching on wallstreet with all the evidence against the untested vaccination.. Sh** Europe has plenty of that.. just ask Baxter.. and while we are at it.. we can also get plenty of info on Monsanto and do away with the rBGH in the states... hell.. US is the only country that really uses that #e.

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Originally posted by googolplex

Originally posted by Grossac
reply to post by havok

 

They should not have any issues to let people in who hasnt been vaccinated... Christ, they would be the ones supposidely at risk.. The ones vaccinated should be immune no?

The way they will rationalize this, is you don't get vaccine, thay will say you will spread the flu.

How is that a rationalization?

If you were vaccinated against something, and thereby did not catch whatever it was you were vaccinated against, you would not spread it. If I cough in your face and I have this... I'd say you'd have a much, much greater chance to get it, than if I didn't.

Originally posted by chiron613
Does anyone have any credible information to show that the vaccination is going to be mandatory? I haven't seen a thing about that. Could someone provide a link or some other source that says this is what will happen?

Also, isn't it true that kids must have vaccinations in order to enroll in schools? I don't have kids so I don't know the rules about it, but I'm pretty sure that kids must have at least some of the vaccinations before they can go to school. If that's the case, how is this really all that different from any other mandatory vaccination?

In our county vaccines are mandatory to attend school. Flu shots have never been part of the list before and if the principal is being honest they will give them to kids with out discussing with parents first.

Get off your @sses and get INVOLVED!

LET'S ROLL!

I am ready to get this started. Get involved, provide guidance, suggestions, whatever but let's join forces and stop the MADNESS!

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by warrenb

 

If something bad happens, we have nobody to blame except ourselves. The government only controls us to the extent we let them. If we decide that WE THE PEOPLE do not agree with our EMPLOYEES, all we need to do is stand as ONE and let them know their services are no longer required. It's simple really and if we don't, it's our own fault. Time to take responsibility and make sure our government runs as the people dictate based on the CONSTITUTION. Is violence required? OF COURSE NOT. Just do as Nancy Reagan suggested..we ALL just say NO.

I wish what you were saying was true. But sadly, we've been demoted from our positions YEARS ago. Their bosses, are no longer the people, but the lobbyists, the special interest groups that bribe them, etc. Also, don't forget this famous quote from Stalin (or was it mussoulini? I can't remember) "It's NOT the people who elect their leader, but the government officials who count the votes" and I'm sure we've all seen from the last 8 years, how easily it is to rig an election (heck, they even televised it on the news for god's sake.)

I dunno about all this stuff. I certainly don't trust the government. But if the vaccination is bad for the people, then aren't they kind of screwing themselves?

I mean, it's going to be the people who trust them and such that get it. And the ones who don't who do not get it. So, if you killed/hurt the ones who obey, then all you are left with is a bunch of people who do not obey. And that seems to be a bit counter productive is it not?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

this reminds me so much of mission impossible 2...except we do not have a midget on a motorcycle to save the day..

its sad to think with such a vile thing being forced upon us we are still a minority here, people like me who will not take the vaccine better be ready to be treated as outcasts, maybe even criminals.

reply to post by Evasius


well spotted

the H1N1 will be sticking around for the foreseeable future

Originally posted by badmedia
I dunno about all this stuff. I certainly don't trust the government. But if the vaccination is bad for the people, then aren't they kind of screwing themselves?

I mean, it's going to be the people who trust them and such that get it. And the ones who don't who do not get it. So, if you killed/hurt the ones who obey, then all you are left with is a bunch of people who do not obey. And that seems to be a bit counter productive is it not?

It doesn't make much sense to me.

A lot of people dying, regardless of who those people are, will give them the justification to institute forced vaccinations on those who don't want it, quarantines, road blocks, and martial law. Once you turn off the constitution, there are no longer any rules.

Coming from a country that has been in the 'grips' of swine flu for months, i can tell you that three times more people made doctors visits for the flu this winter than in an average year. That was despite the government enforcing mandatory quarantines and tamiflu for weeks after the first case. A lot of people in this thread seem to think that a sick person that could possibly infect dozens of others with an exotic infectious disease being FORCED into quarantine is a bad thing because....

My point being that health officials are not going to do what is best for individuals, but rather what is best for the population as a whole. Sure, those in quarantine lost their individual 'right' to endanger everyone else for a few days, but i for one felt pleased that definitive efforts were being made to try and prevent this new virus from running free.

(Here's the New Zealand Ministry Of Health's statistics and plan of attack)

While I'm here I'll make the same case for mandatory vaccinations. Yes, a few people in a thousand will probably have a reaction of some kind to a vaccination (not specifically swine flu but anything, MMR, tetanus etc) whether that being made temporarily sick, or permanently left deaf or with autism (whether the vaccine is causal for many of these cases is a different discussion). The fact of the matter is that while it may be distinctly bad for a select few, this is a small price to pay for keeping at bay diseases which have over the centuries killed, maimed, and disfigured countless millions of people.

Many people seem to believe in a sort of 'common knowledge' way, that 'everyday' viruses e.g. measles aren't all that dangerous.

Measles is spread through respiration, and is highly contagious—90% of people without immunity sharing a house with an infected person will catch it.

The fatality rate from measles for otherwise healthy people in developed countries is 3 deaths per thousand cases.[3] In underdeveloped nations with high rates of malnutrition and poor healthcare, fatality rates have been as high as 28%.[3]

Source

Some maths, (infection rate among non-immunized) x (U.S. Population) x (death rate) = 0.90 x 300,000,000 x 0.003 = 810,000 deaths

I realise that that equation doesn't represent anything feasible but you get the idea. 810,000 people that could have died at some point in America is a lot (there were 'only' 17,000 murders in America in 2007) source.

I didn't mean for this post to quite get this long but i feel that if the 'anti-immunization' crowd don't read anything else, at least take the time to consider the next few paragraphs

The considerable focus on vaccines and their safety in our information-overloaded society is not surprising, with a surplus of articles in magazines, books, parenting guides, and on the Internet and stories on radio and television. While these occasionally highlight the benefits of immunization, “No One Got Sick or Died from a Vaccine-Preventable Disease Today” is not a very exciting story, so more often the emphasis in the media is on speculation that a vaccine caused a health problem.
Unfortunately, most of the public receives a lot of health information from sources other than their physicians. Professional knowledge of immunization is grounded in science—microbiology, immunology, epidemiology and statistics.

source
en.wikipedia.org...

And finally, we should all be thankful for the extinction of smallpox though vaccination. A disease that killed 300-500 million in the 20th century.

Originally posted by andrewh7
A lot of people dying, regardless of who those people are, will give them the justification to institute forced vaccinations on those who don't want it, quarantines, road blocks, and martial law. Once you turn off the constitution, there are no longer any rules.

Well I'm former military myself. As such, I never believe an official story at face value, and I certainly do not trust them. I've been yelling about the constitution being ignored for years. It's not like that is really something new.

The constitution is supposed to be a document of limited government, and for the past 100 years it's been reversed into a document of limited rights instead - of which those limited rights are what is currently being infringed upon.

Freedom and such has been an illusion for a long time. An illusion which has worked, been tried and tested. I just can't imagine them giving up that illusion so blatantly. It's like when people said GWB would never leave office. I thought well that is silly, because then they give up the freedom illusion.

And that is really being talked about here, they will be giving up the freedom illusion. I just can't for the life of me think of a good reason why they would want to do such a thing. Why would they want to deliberately give that up? You think the military is going to allow such a thing at large?

So if these things are done, then it will have to be spun in certain ways to maintain the illusion. Look at what happened when they switched presidents for example. All the things GWB did are all but forgotten.

Why are they going to give up a system that has the overwhelming majority deceived? That just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't think people are taking into account the true nature of things here. The point is not to physically enslave people at all, but to create bars they can not see. But what is being suggested is the invisible bars are going to purposely be changed with physical bars, and that makes no sense to me at all.

For example. Slavery as it was back in the 1800's. You think they would want to go back to that? No way. With the type of slavery we have today, you don't have to take care of them at all, they have to get their own clothing, their own housing, their own food. It's actually much cheaper/profitable for the owners. The people think they are free, makes them much more productive etc.

Those who do not realize they are enslaved - don't run.

If anything, I would put things being more likely that they have some big scare, and tada, magic government to the rescue, which further makes people dig into those invisible bars, and meanwhile any and all disinters are made to look like a bunch of foolish chicken littles.

I suppose I'll be on the watch for either etc, but I don't think you guys are thinking on the right level here. They aren't going to go backwards with things, and say what you want about them, but they don't get their by being stupid(whoever is really running things).

They have PR people for a reason and such. Masters of deception and I am to believe it is so obvious what they plan to do?

I don't know what the future will bring, but I guess it's just my nature to look beyond the obvious and try to see as many possibilities as I can.

Originally posted by huntergatherer

The i's have been dotted and the t's crossed

2nd line

You forgot the lower case j's.......:-)

Originally posted by Dr.Venkman

While I'm here I'll make the same case for mandatory vaccinations. Yes, a few people in a thousand will probably have a reaction of some kind to a vaccination (not specifically swine flu but anything, MMR, tetanus etc) whether that being made temporarily sick, or permanently left deaf or with autism (whether the vaccine is causal for many of these cases is a different discussion). The fact of the matter is that while it may be distinctly bad for a select few, this is a small price to pay for keeping at bay diseases which have over the centuries killed, maimed, and disfigured countless millions of people.

In the modern world, however, these small number of deaths or permanent side effects drove pharmaceutical companies to threaten to raise prices or cease production of vaccines altogether. As a result, they were thereafter given statutory immunity from civil lawsuits. Without the threat of litigation, they have no incentive to properly test their vaccines for safety and effectiveness. Without that kind of testing, how can anyone honestly claim side effects will be isolated, especially when the drug is rushed to market in response to media-driven hysteria?

A typical drug takes ten years to get through the FDA, and even then, often times get pulled off the market for unexpected deaths or permanent injuries. In comparison, a vaccine can be pushed through in a matter of months and is going to be distributed to a much much larger population than a high blood pressure medication. Extra special consideration should be given to anything injected into a pregnant woman or small child.

Something will eventually go VERY wrong and I hope when you see bodies piled up, your "needs of the many outweigh the deaths of a few argument" continues to hold water. I'd also like to see how rational you remain if someone you care about becomes one of those minor statistics. You will be paid off with a vaccine death fund, paid into by all the vaccine companies. You will NOT get your day in court to find out what happened or who's responsible. Your damages will probably be limited to no more than $250k. How much is your father, mother, daughter or son's life worth to you? Hopefully, no more than $250k.


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Originally posted by Tentickles
If it gets out of control, there is no doubt in my mind that the governmnet will trample on a ton of peoples rights.

No telling what a government like this one is willing to do.

Most governments .....actually all governments do not want to give up their power.

And will go to certain lengths to maintain their control...

I don't know this as fact but is is my opinion.....


Some things that we think are going to be out of control and what not, won't be at all....it will all be over blown.....

Some things we think could never happen will indeed happen and that is our test...

I don't want a revolution or our way of life to totally change......But the gov needs to back of and stop trying to control us.....

They are pushing it and after a while it will just get old and people will rebel..

I can't help thinking that is exactly what they want though...


Their goals and ambitions it seems are on a timeline......and everything is thoroughly thought out and planned since decades ago......


It's just TOO convienient ( or however you spell it ) that certain things seem to be playing out like they are......


It is my opinion that our integrity and government was taken over a long LONG time ago and have just been putting up a front to get all their pawns into place before they have enough of a % controlled where they can act and " go for it"........

I like to think everything in life is a test and we are being tested to see if we will just give in to being taken over or if we are worthy of freedom....


Our founders actually fought next to soldiers .....our leaders side by side with the poorest of poor trying to gain our freedom...


I'd like to see even 1 person of power make a commitment like that.....

There should be a law that if we are to go to war, then a certain % of those on congress and the judicial system and those in power at the white house should have to fight front line next to our soldiers........


I doubt we would be in the Middle east or anywhere if that was law.......

There is no checks and balances .............They have been hijacked......

Everything here to me looks like planning for the worst case scenario... People please chill... remember what happened with Katrina? no preparedness at all... our government is just trying to be prepared...

peace and respect...

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Everything here to me looks like planning for the worst case scenario... People please chill... remember what happened with Katrina? no preparedness at all... our government is just trying to be prepared...

peace and respect...

It took a week to get bottled water to the superdome. How much preparation and planning would have been required to go to costco and then load water onto a chopper for an airdrop? Katrina was a royal screw up because the right people didn't care, not a result of a lack of preparation. Bush, or at least his top aides, were informed early and repeatedly by the top federal official at the scene that state and local authorities were overwhelmed and that the overall response was going badly. Apathy is the greatest threat.

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is there a goos site to keep us updated on the pig flu numbers? The WHO site i used to look at stopped updating

www.who.int...