ATS has been invaded

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by LoneGunMan

 

i think what we have here is a misunderstanding. i do not think christians everywhere want to go to war so the rapture will happen. that's really not the way it is.

I dont either. The flock is not the problem, its the shepherds that are leading them that is. the flock has good intentions but are being led not by shepherds but by butchers.

I sometimes wish I was ignorant to it all and did not meet up with all those Pastors. I know the flock has there heart in the right place but something terrible is leading them.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


This is one of the reasons I stopped visiting ATS over a year ago.

reply to post by Darth Lumina


that hasn't been my experience.
of course, i have only gone to baptist, methodist, lutheran, catholic, charismatic catholic, penecostal, non-denominational, and mormon church.

at the baptist church they talked about salvation and old testament stories.
at the methodist church, the pastor was a scholar and would get really intellectual in his messages regarding various portions of the bible.
lutheran was pretty much innocuous.
catholic, didn't hear the priest say anything because it was all in latin and i had no clue what he was saying. lo
charismatic catholic was about being happy and being more in touch with the spiritual side
penecostal was more like this

the non-denominational was into worship songs and raising money for overseas charities.
and the mormon church was alot like the baptist one.

maybe it's war-like these days? cause it's not been my experience. both sides of my family are christians and none of them want war.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


see, here's the rub.. I've been here for a few years, and lurked for awhile too. Heck, I remember a time when this site was barely at all about politics except the month of the elections or some such. My recollection is hazy since I ignored it at first, but it really started to slide the way it is when bush got elected to a second term.

Heck, I even remember people looking at the threads and saying 'I see where you're going, but really, I think this is one of those "a cigar is just a cigar" moments.' and you know what? the OP would look at it and either potentially agree, or would respectfully disagree and say 'this is what I got, where am I missing it?' and you would see actual discussion.

lately, its just crap slinging back and forth, so I do the same since more effort than that is just wasted until people get it out of their system.

reply to post by undo


Oh I was gonna just move along but I have to add something,

Being raised by a family of preachers and having been a devout Christian, I will tell you most Christians pray for god to stay his hand so their loved ones can be saved,

I remember my prayer to god was always, not yet, I would plead with god in my prayers to wait,

and besides not all christians believe in the rapture

I made a thread similar to this a few months ago. In it, i expressed my frustration at what this site has turned into topic wise and discussion wise.
Logical discussion usually stops after the 1st or 2nd page of a decent topic and the arguing and insults start.
The thread I made about this same topic was labeled a "rant" by the ATS moderator and moved to BTS.
Since then and after TWO different post bans, I am not nearly as active as I used to be here.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


yeah same. if it's a good thing, i say we all go! if it's not a good thing, then we'll pass. and if it's not even gonna happen, well then nothing to worry about either way. i've heard good discussion on the subject from almost every conceivable angle, pro and con and inbetween.

anyway, considering how many christians there are on these forums, of various stripes, it seems unlikely they are all here to indoctrinate people into christianity. i know my major offering was mostly about data i found incredibly interesting and surprising, although i did take the opportunity to suggest jesus as an answer, it wasn't the focal point of the subject.

nah, i know enough on the subject to type one huge post after another and if preaching were my main goal, i'd be off doing just that in another thread, probably on the side of ATS where religious topics are stuffed! but i'm here to learn and gather info on the subject matter of my main thread and just occassionally i get side-tracked by threads like these.

hopefully no one is put off by my insistence that it isn't as bad as it is being made out to be. i see it more as an attempt of social engineering and i ain't sure i like the direction it's heading in.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by LoneGunMan

 

Religion and guns - oxymoron for sure!

When you ask a "god fearing" anything why they need a gun - wouldn't their *insert religious prophet here* be against such a thing? That's when they tell you it's their law to kill for their god - wtf?!

Also the people who still believe in duality flock here - Democrat/Republican Right/Left so on and on...


Could you be more specific? What religion are you talking about?
My church doesn't kill for our God.We try and save others from
eternal damnation.
I am also new here on ATS and I like it.I like discussing conspiracy
theories.I keep finding myself defending my faith instead.

When anyone asks me what I am - I tell them I am everything, just as they are - most people are baffled it is that easy!

reply to post by undo

see it more as an attempt of social engineering and i ain't sure i like the direction it's heading in.

There is no doubt about that,
Actually I came to this forum because of my UFO encounter, and got caught up in the politics, and I don't like politicians, any of them.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


druid dance! kryptonite!


sigh, i went cold turkey. sniffle. i miss my tree.

reply to post by audas


Owned again?...

You never owned anyone little one. The only one regurgitating lies, and obviously disinformation is you. Communists also like to call themselves Socialists, so I guess all Socialists, and all people from one or another denomination of Socialism must be evil Communists heh?......

That seems to be what you are implying. I also showed EXACTLY what the forefathers intended and how they saw the Republic of the U.S. and the U.S. government should guarantee one form of government, a Republican form of government. Not to be mistaken by many if not most Republicans in power who are only RINOS. (Republican In Name Only)

You think that keep trying to convince yourself that you are right makes you right?...

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reply to post by undo


Aw, to bad.. you should start back up
Im a mage, my sons the druid but i get a kick out of that dancing tree

reply to post by Stormdancer777


i've read too many prophetical texts lol
the whole thing gives me the willies. my sis suggested i just refrain from reading and posting in places like this because it keeps you stirred up emotionally and in a negative, controversial mindset. when that happens, joy and peace go whingggg out the window. so i have to detach myself and exit stage left every so often, just to clear my mind and get a grip on the things that count.
regardless of what anyone else thinks of me or people who live in the usa or christianity in general or women or whatever the umpteen billion different complaints are that people can drudge up about each other, when it gets right down to brass tacks, what really matters is love, hearth and home.

Perhaps the site owner should consider a sub-site for all the politi-Crazies, both right and left. I never used to pay any attention to the political threads until the "birthers" became so numerous, and even then it was simply to see what the loonies had on the menu that day... Then I got sucked in and tried to inject reason into something based on anything but reason. My mistake. There does seem to be an inordinate amount of Uberlibertarians on this site, but maybe it's a cyclical thing. I'm going to follow HunkaHunka back to the UFO and Ancient Civilizations threads that brought me here in the first place. The political threads have much heat and light, yet signify nothing!

I find it very amusing that the very thing the OP wrote to start this thread is exactly what he or she is doing. The OP is complaining about overtly politically charged threads and a lack of honest discussion due to politics, while at the same time making this about one political group doing this.

Very amusing that you are seriously complaining that opinion other than yours are a bad thing to be voiced. As they say, hypocrisy knows no bounds. You complain about something, and then at the same time start the exact sort of thread you are complaining about.

All discussions are best served by having multiple sides and opinions involved.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


So true. Those of whom we cannot speak have really gone off the deep end in the past couple weeks. Anybody with a brain can see right through thier "outrage", the health care issue is a perfect example. They pretend to be outraged by government interference in our personal lives when it suits their own personal beliefs, but scream at the top of their lungs for goverment interference into the lives of those they do not agree with. It's a joke, and whatever government interference comes their way, they paved the way for long ago.

I support some reform in the system, but certainly not the current bill on the table, IMO it doesn't address the real problems at all (fraudulent billing on the part of the providers, delays and unfair denials in reimbursements on the part of insurance companies, and frivolous law suits on the part of lawyers). If those issues could somehow be reigned in, everything would be fine, and costs would plummet for all of us. But these folks aren't interested in a real solution, i haven't seen or heard any real ideas from any of them, just shouting the same slogans amongst themselves, and patting each other on the backs. Again, they have lost all ground to claim they are for "small government" long ago. This is just a taste of their own medicine as far as i'm concerned. They can rally as many Grandpa Simpsons to shout at townhall meetings as they want, just as before under Bush, the voice of the people doesn't matter one bit.

As a Brit/Euro ...

Perhaps we could have one version of ATS for the United States and an international version for the rest of us ? At least that way us "foreigners" can opt out of the US left/right divide.

Other sites seem to handle that OK.

yes ive been seeing increase in diveristy of discussion topics of random subjects in the last few months thats been swept up by ufo topics as of last month. no i don't buy the new age stuff that seems to defy every conventional logic. nor approve of counter-theorists whos throwing hardballs in the dark. get along? you can't have poop and clean water in the toilet at the same time. some things must be flushed out. there wags a post couple months ago revealing bunch of government agencies visiting this site. that thread should be perma-flaming.

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reply to post by CoffinFeeder



I have been a member on and off since 2004, and there have always been members who "try to pick a fight", and all they can do is throw insults to try to sucker you in into a mudsling.

It keeps on happening. There are members that don't do this, but others do, and this has been happening for years. Some are new, and some are old members.

Just like in any circle of life you find good people, and then you find people who only want to cause trouble, and that is all the reason they are here.

As for the OP, sorry to say that he, like some other members, have decided to label everyone who happens to be either conservative, Republican, or moderate Republican as a "mindless zombie", and whether he wants to admit it or not, that among some of his other statements are in fact insults trying to belittle those people who don't agree with him.

Trying to shut down a group of people, or anyone because of their belief is the makings of a dictator/dictatorship, and that is exactly what the OP was trying to achieve because of his personal experience with his best friend.

It is a shame that anyone, even LGM has to have such experience, but it happens.

I have experienced and lived in a Communist dictatorship, escaped with my parents and moved to a moderate Socialist/Capitalist country, Spain, to experience more oppression because I wasn't born in Spain, and lived in an attic which had opaque plastic as a roof, on winters the clothes my mother would hang to dry would freeze completely, for years with my parents because there was nothing else they cold afford, and even in the U.S. from time to time I experience racism because of my accent.

There are people who have suffered and have gone through worse experiences.

I don't like Communism for obvious reasons, and neither do I like true Socialism because it is an extension of Communism, however even I know that not everyone who subscribes to one denomination of Socialism is "an evil Communist" yet every time members like me try to show the parallels between some of the laws, and policies being implemented, and now more so, with Communism almost immediately someone has to make some claim about "McCarthyism".

Every time a member such as me try to post of our experiences in Communism there are those in the left who claim "is all lies" or "you are a paid government agent" or some such claim.

The same happens with other topics such as "Global Warming/Climate Change".

I have seen the threads of members who do nothing but belittle others for their beliefs. Yes this does happen also in the UFO section, and on the predictions forum among others.

This happens in every community and public forum because we are all different people. This is the one reason why a One World Government, and One World Economy will never truly work unless it is a complete dictatorship and that seems to be the goal that the elite want for us.

However, starting a thread, and like other members pointed out, complaining about "the political right" and labeling everyone who is in one or another denomination of it as a "mindless zombie" or making other belittling insults and then asking, or implying that "something must be done about this people" meanwhile you do the same thing that you are complaining about is nothing more than hypocresy imo.

People of ALL political denominations, even if they don't want to belong to one should be able to participate in discussions in the forums as long as they are civil.

What shouldn't happen is the name calling, and mudslinging that occurs, and even I have to be blamed for responding to the insults of some members by throwing similar insults back at the attacker, and/or making sarcastic remarks because whether I want to admit it or not I am a culmination of the experiences I have had in life and so is everyone else, so we all get different methods to deal with those that attack us.





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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by undo

 

see it more as an attempt of social engineering and i ain't sure i like the direction it's heading in.

There is no doubt about that,
Actually I came to this forum because of my UFO encounter, and got caught up in the politics, and I don't like politicians, any of them.

This is a topic I really like, UFO's.I did research on this subject for over
20 years.
I am new here on ATS.My stepson told me about this forum.I wanted to
see what he was writing.I wanted to make sure we didn't have to worry
about the FBI pounding on our front door looking for him.