Da Vinci Crop circle ( the netherlands)

reply to post by ArMaP


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Hi ArMap.

It has been a most interesting crop circle
season, and there is a lot to figure out still.

I don't think anyone expected the
season to suddenly end the way it did.

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reply to post by Sol12

I was expecting it, isn't that what happens every year?

Edit: to make it clearer, what ends is the big and "famous" crop circle season, they still appear on different crops at different times.

[edit on 5/9/2009 by ArMaP]

reply to post by ArMaP


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You're right Armap.

The CC 'circus' and 'caravan'
are the only thing which have come to their seasonal end.

The 'debunkers' have meanwhile been assigned
to other 'fields' of service.

I just received a postcard from ET.

From an open window, a pizza flew in,
landed onto the table, containing a crop circle!

They are all having short holidays on Alpha Centauri.

The weather is good, they say.
only the pizza, as tough as a frisbee.

They asked me to send their love and regards.



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Hello everyone
I didnt read all the pages, I want to ask about the claim of:

XL D-Sign Project Atlas Thingy
www.xld-sign.com...

Beside their overview images, are there any other solid proof that it's really being done by them?

Cos you know any of us can build a website put one picture there and claim we did that, wonder if there're any "making of videos"

cheers

reply to post by stcaf


Making of photos would be good, but we don't have any, only their word.

reply to post by stcaf


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Stcaf,

As ArMap has already indicated,

There is no proof/evidence to the claim
that this CC would be made by xldsign,
nor has anyone else made any claims.

Those 5 minutes of fame are still up for anyone to grab.

All xldsign has offered during the past weeks,
is 1 photo on their website, no facts/details.

An additional 'group-shot' and a video circulate,
however, these are of such dubious nature
that they were never even posted on xldsign's website
and therefore they have not any relevance.

CCC has promoted the xldsign-story from day 1,
and, in fact, still is promoting this cover-story.

Don't expect to find much additional info elsewhere.

Read the thread, follow the links,
and do your math.

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Colin Andrews adds to the dis-info mix 09/09/09.

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On the 9th of September 2009, Colin Andrews has
released a statement about the Dutch Butterfly.

He added it to his '2009 overview'.

He has nothing to offer except repeating a few of
the unsubstantiated claims, in the same manner
as CCC is still posting the cover-story as if it were fact.

www.colinandrews.net...

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Below is what he had to say,
followed by my comments.

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"The media and others in The Netherlands have been hyping
what they claim is the discovery of the largest crop circle ever.
Well firstly it falls well short of that claim but is as
shown in the photograph very attractive."

He starts out with telling utter nonsense because
nobody in the Netherlands has been hyping about anything?

He exaggerates still more in a side note to the image
where he even calls it "a large scale media hype"?

As a Dutchman, I can assure Mr. Andrews that
hardly anyone in the Netherlands knows about this CC
as the story has been extremely professionally suppressed.

Why does he bother to actually 'nitpick about size'?

"When it seemed very few in the crop circle community were reporting
upon the story, which was being circulated to a large mailing list of researchers around the world, more E-mails followed claiming that it was made by a team of 60. This claim was challenged by some people and a third circular followed stating that the construction was filmed and
that this film would be released to the public."

Above is where he merely rehashes existing unsubstantiated rumors.

Meaning, he refuses to actually offer a statement
or an analysis on his own behalf?

"Its really a no story, its just another crop circle made by people,
leaving many around the world without rational explanation and also
many more that are indeed made by humans but that attracted paranormal attention
- this neither tackled by the media who run
with just easy, crazy stories that require very little work on their part."

Above he is basically telling everyone to move along because
according to him there is nothing to see here?

Is that really good advice to give to 'fellow researchers'?

He is not linking to any facts/details?

Therefore, we are supposed to take his word on this?

So, why is he complaining about "the media not doing their work"
while he himself also has nothing to offer?

"Time is ticking in a period of critical transition,
not helped with more wasted effort and energy.
We don't seem to be passing the test of our time do we!"

Conclusion:

It seems indeed that Mr. Colin Andrews himself
is not "passing the test of our time"?

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I haven't looked at all of the replies so in case someone beat me to it, I apologize for the duplication. If it hasn't been posted, go here: digitalhistory.edublogs.org...
and scroll down until you see the photo. I used to have this image as a poster in the 1980s.

Nothing otherwordly about the image and no aliens were hurt in the production!

BTW, I also do not accept anyone's claims that agri-glyphs are made by any agency other than human.

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[edit on 19-9-2009 by Skeptical Ed]

Amazing cropcircle, it really does look like the MothMan, maybe they have returned. well i like to hope so anyway lol.

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
I haven't looked at all of the replies so in case someone beat me to it, I apologize for the duplication. If it hasn't been posted, go here: digitalhistory.edublogs.org...
and scroll down until you see the photo. I used to have this image as a poster in the 1980s.

Nothing otherwordly about the image and no aliens were hurt in the production!

BTW, I also do not accept anyone's claims that agri-glyphs are made by any agency other than human.

reply to post by 0bserver1

 

[edit on 19-9-2009 by Skeptical Ed]

If you're going to go around commenting on soo many threads, how about actually reading through them before posting?

It's getting pretty obvious that you're on here right now for no reason other than to attack and instigate. You said you didn't look at all the replies in this thread before posting, meaning you don't know what all is being discussed in here. Yet, you felt the need to end your post with what I put in bold. You wouldn't have said that unless you're deliberately trying to instigate someone.

For a 71 year old, you're acting very immature

Originally posted by nightmare_david

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
I haven't looked at all of the replies so in case someone beat me to it, I apologize for the duplication. If it hasn't been posted, go here: digitalhistory.edublogs.org...
and scroll down until you see the photo. I used to have this image as a poster in the 1980s.

Nothing otherwordly about the image and no aliens were hurt in the production!

BTW, I also do not accept anyone's claims that agri-glyphs are made by any agency other than human.

reply to post by 0bserver1

 

[edit on 19-9-2009 by Skeptical Ed]

If you're going to go around commenting on soo many threads, how about actually reading through them before posting?

It's getting pretty obvious that you're on here right now for no reason other than to attack and instigate. You said you didn't look at all the replies in this thread before posting, meaning you don't know what all is being discussed in here. Yet, you felt the need to end your post with what I put in bold. You wouldn't have said that unless you're deliberately trying to instigate someone.

For a 71 year old, you're acting very immature

Since I do not read all of the posts, I had no idea that the ATS administrators had died and left you in charge of telling members what they can say and what they can't say. The weight of such as responsibility must be tremendous.

BTW, if YOU can prove that agri-glyphs are not human-made please do so. Otherwise, SHUT UP!

reply to post by 0bserver1


you do know this is man made, right? it was commissioned by a big corporation.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/89814a65c27a.jpg[/atsimg]

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Six weeks of utter silence
by the so-called crop circle community.

Also six weeks of silence by xld-sign, with the exception
that they have recently downgraded their initial claim
by casually leaving a "reaction of the designer" at niburu.nl,
not on their own site though, where no details at all can be found.

Nevertheless, the Butterfly CC is gradually receiving more attention.

Some thoughts on butterflies posted by Cosmic Oneness;

psychedelicadventure.blogspot.com...

mayanprophecy2012.blogspot.com...

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Hubble NGC 6302 Butterfly Nebula 09/09/09.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a6fb022c26a0.jpg[/atsimg]
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An aerial video of the Butterfly was uploaded to youtube
some time ago by PZC, a small local Dutch newspaper.

I have uploaded a copy of this video to youtube
and I have added some comments in English and a link
to the discussion here on ATS.

www.youtube.com...

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[edit on 23-9-2009 by Sol12]

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I have upgraded the video above
which I've posted on youtube yesterday,

I have added some annotations to it, so anyone
watching this video, gets informed in three minutes and 22 seconds
about what has been discussed on this thread.

In short,

xld-signs claims are unsubstantiated,
no one else has made any claims and therefore
we are dealing with a genuine unexplained crop circle,
and part of the CC community seems asleep behind the wheel.

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So, if you happen to pass by here, and you would want
to share some of the information about this crop circle,
you could use this video.

~Solar Humans~

www.youtube.com...

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Originally posted by Sol12
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I have upgraded the video above
which I've posted on youtube yesterday,

I have added some annotations to it, so anyone
watching this video, gets informed in three minutes and 22 seconds
about what has been discussed on this thread.

In short,

xld-signs claims are unsubstantiated,
no one else has made any claims and therefore
we are dealing with a genuine unexplained crop circle,
and part of the CC community seems asleep behind the wheel.

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So, if you happen to pass by here, and you would want
to share some of the information about this crop circle,
you could use this video.

~Solar Humans~

www.youtube.com...

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I've already explained that it is a copy of a 1930s LIFE cover and someone explained that its creation was paid for.

No such thing as an unexplained agri-glyph. Humans make them. Prove otherwise. And what does Da Vinci have to do with it? Da Vinci is not a name, if you're referring to Leonardo from da Vinci.



[edit on 24-9-2009 by Skeptical Ed]

It was based on Leonardo's "Man van Vitruvius" (or Vitruvian Man for the people who nitpick names) the arms and legs show that. Where is your proof that it's taken entirely from Life magazine? You said that as if it's a fact when it's only just your opinion.

You go around and pick apart post after post. Talk about lack of evidence and everything. But when you post one of your theories, you post it as fact, with nothing to back it up and leave it at that. It doesn't work that way.

Just because it looks similar to the Life magazine image, doesn't mean that's where they got the idea. I've seen many images showing humans with butterfly wings that look like that.



And I'm the one with the controlling ego? I don't go around posting everything I say as fact unless I can actually back it up with evidence.

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
I've already explained that it is a copy of a 1930s LIFE cover and someone explained that its creation was paid for.

It's not a copy, at most it may have been inspired by that image, but it's obviously not a copy.

It's a man, not a woman, it has four arms instead of two and the butterfly is not of the same species, so, unless they are very bad at making copies, that cannot be realistically considered a copy by anyone.

Wow that thing is incredible, I'm pretty sure its man made, It must of took them weeks to do something like that, either that or they had a huge crew.

reply to post by Skeptical Ed

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed

Originally posted by Sol12
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~Solar Humans~

www.youtube.com...

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I've already explained that it is a copy of a 1930s LIFE cover
and someone explained that its creation was paid for.

No such thing as an unexplained agri-glyph. Humans make them.
Prove otherwise. And what does Da Vinci have to do with it?
Da Vinci is not a name, if you're referring to Leonardo from da Vinci.
[edit on 24-9-2009 by Skeptical Ed]

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Ed.

you have indeed explained something.

Where did I mention "Da Vinci" in my last post?

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If you would only have bothered to actually read this thread,
as someone has already tried to point out to you,
than you would at least understand how very ignorant you
come across regarding the subject of this thread.

Watch the video?

www.youtube.com...

It'll only take you 3 minutes and 22 seconds.

For your information,

This thread is not about personal beliefs,
its not about "agri-glyphs" in general,
nor about you, me, David, Observer, ArMap or Santa Claus.

If you have any substantial evidence/proof that the Dutch Butterfly
(subject of this thread) would be man made, why not post it?

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Re: Your 'art class'.

Why not sue Da Vinci for plagiarizing the depiction of a woman,
or any other portrait artist for that matter?

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/91cdf99a6433.jpg[/atsimg]

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Themes in Art are Universal.

Why is that?

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Originally posted by Skeptical Ed

BTW, I also do not accept anyone's claims
that agri-glyphs are made by any agency other than human.

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I actually entirely agree with you here.

Some are 'plagiarized' by Earth Humans.

All the others are made by Solar Humans.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3afbae203c9b.jpg[/atsimg]

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