Our ancestors arrived here 17,000 years ago.

The thing that always occurs with such videos is that they set up the basis of their theory, in this case the stars overlapping with points he noted on a picture. Then, after making a few leaps of logic they always end with some insane extrapolation that has no foundation in fact. When he starts saying this is proof of human ancestors 17, 000 years ago being on Mars... because some geographic anomolies line up with some of the many billions of stars. Far too much of a leap for me thankyou.

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We've had this same brain capacity and ability to comprehend for at least 200,000 years.

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I love threads like this because it gets the head thinking. What if the BIG SECRET about our history and the attempt at covering it up is that maybe maybe some of us are the visitors to earth and other people on this planet are the rightfull owners of the world. Wouldn't it be a shock if they came out this friday evening and said that we as a world body have a secret to tell all of you, and that is tens of thousands of years ago humaniod visitors came and colonized this planet and in so doing intermingled and interbreeded with people on earth. They built massive structures and such with their technology and helped to teach the people of this planet (reason why I'm not saying humans) how to build and grow food and study the heavens etc. etc.. Then something happened and they either left or infighting happened that caused a war that knocked them and their achievments back to the proverbial stone age.


Who where the humaniods that came to this planet and who where the humaniods that where on this planet. There is a racial family secret of humanity that they are trying to keep hidden because of the ramifications if it comes out could split the world in half. People saying this is my planet you people leave or vice versa. Sounds silly, but alot of things don't match up to "Mainstream History" and it's starting to look more and more that we as a people are descendants of a civilization that spanned this planet and another eons ago.

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Once again, all evidence points to humans evolving here on Earth. We have our skeletal ancestors from every possible point in evolution. There is no missing link. We came and evolved from Earth.

Originally posted by aceace
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The area of Cydonia (Mars) is a star map. Wayne Herschel from the website The Hidden Records absolutely proves this.

Did they not prove that the face on Mars was only a hill?

The Hidden Records is a great site! I have been reading on it off and on for a few months. I personally have always thought ,like i said in another post, that we came from Mars. I have my reasons and after reading this site and many other things this idea in my mind makes sense. I will be making a thread about this soon. I am working on it now. If you think I am nuts I really dont care anymore.

My problem with the map is that there is only one star that is being progressed 17,000 years backward. What about all the other ones he did not progress 17,000 years back ward? Would the still be in the same place?

Not to discredit anything but I think this question needs to be answered.? Where would the other stars have been and does the map still fit?

ROFL, the only thing that guy "absolutely proved" is that he is a nutcase.

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whether this is real or not, and I suppose its as real as it feels to each of us, I love watching and reading about this stuff.
To, me, its just interesting.
It doesn't really matter to me if we know how real any of this is, just that we know we are remarkable beings capable of many things. Usually these vids talk about love, and how can that be bad?
When we learn how connected we are, not only to eahother, but to everything, then I think the truth of our existence will become clear.

Peace and Love,

Odessy

This guys idea of proof is not how real proof is obtained.

He proved he's an nutjob though....

....this theory is as poor as flat-earthers and creationism!

One piece of advice -> reality is much more complicated and fascinating than than attempting to concoct a seemingly fantastic story based on a bunch of photos & conjecture!

Look what happened to the plum-pudding model of the atom - that was thought to be logical & accurate in 1904 until experiments around 1911 proved otherwise.

You simply cannot guess nature and where we came from as the details would be so intricate that you have to build up a picture step by step logically.

The only way forward to achieve that with scientific experiments, where the proof is in the Maths.

We don't want to go backwards now do we!? Not since science has been advancing and making breakthroughs every year or so. We don't want to go back to the dark-ages where we believed in mythical beings and events based on a limited human perception alone - where humans were even fearful of solar eclipses etc.

We are supposed to be living in a more enlightened era, where we don't base our thinking on fantasy stories, except for pure entertainment purposes.

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The Pleiades are a group of very young, hot stars completely different to our Sun.

They first started to form whilst dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

seds.org...

It's highly unlikely any planets have yet formed around them, let alone for life to have evolved (it took rather more than 100 million years for that to happen on Earth!). But even if life did exist there it would be extremely alien to us, and have a very different chemistry.

Why would such aliens come to a cold planet around and a cold ancient star like the Sun?

btw interesting to note that some of the stars in the Pleiades cluster rotate so rapidly they are not even spherical!

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
The Hidden Records is a great site! I have been reading on it off and on for a few months. I personally have always thought ,like i said in another post, that we came from Mars. I have my reasons and after reading this site and many other things this idea in my mind makes sense. I will be making a thread about this soon. I am working on it now. If you think I am nuts I really dont care anymore.

I read the posts and watched the short footage with great interest.
I do not have an opinion yet, so I will read more from the website and I will possibly even buy the book before coming to any conclusion.
However, I would like to point out three things :
- as Russel Crowe/John Forbes Nash Jr. so brilliantly demonstrates in "a beautiful mind", among billions of stars you can find whatever pattern you choose to find, so an alignment "per se" does not prove anything, you need a much stronger evidence
- all evidence we have indicates that pre-human beings were able to use fire hundred of thousands years ago, that Homo Sapiens Sapiens were around at least 40,000 years ago and that there is no evidence of an abrupt change in our DNA 17,000 years ago or at any other time. I do not claim that that did not happen, in fact it might be that even tiny changes might have dramatically improved our cognitive abilities, I am only saying that there is no evidence that it happened; claiming that it did is no proof, it is just a claim and the burden of proving it falls on who made the claim.
-mblahnikluver, I look forward to reading your evidence corroborating what you believe to be true; you might be right but, again, claiming that "this idea in my mind makes sense" is by no means enough, as all evidence available points in another direction
Mario

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It's only the Mars stuff I didn't really weight, the rest of his work is fascinating and I am completely convinced ancient cultures the world over all had the Orion-Pliedeas thing going on. I am a believer in the ancient astronaut theory and Wayne's findings seem to suggest that the ancients knew where the "creator gods" came from. The Hopi stuff is worth looking into all by itself, they have legends of grey looking beings from the stars and the entymology of the words they used for these beings seems to connect into the entymology of the word annunaki. I will try and find the link for it later, only just woke up.

Edit- had a quick look and found this one link here

It's not the one I was looking for but it mentions what I am talking about...scroll down the page a bit to read the post. You could also google stuff like "anunnaki, Hopi", "Orion, Hopi", "Orion, ant people" etc

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technically the early humans (cro-magnon) from 17000 years ago have the same dna as us - they are anatomically modern humans. so they are just as intelligent as us. what makes them act differently is the lack of knowledge. if a caveman baby for example was theoretically transported to the future to now, then that baby would grow up and be just like us. imagine if somewhere along the line, certain human civilizations were given advanced knowledge, like the Sumerians, Egyptians or Mayans. They would be just as capable of learning that knowledge as we would today. So it is possible that past civilizations of earth had knowledge more advanced than us. If they did, then something must have happened to wipe out the civilization loosing the knowledge they were given in the process.


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Our ancestors arrived here 17,000 years ago.

Intresting so Where does that leave the Australian Aborigines they must be the Earthlings and the rest of us Martian!!!!
Because they have beeen here 40000 yrs and often debated if infact its not longer 50000 to 60000 yrs.

www.apex.net.au...

www.aboriginalartonline.com...

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/0/75258e92a5903e75ca2569de0025c188?OpenDocument

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17,000 years ago, would tie in nicely with the age of Tiahuanaco wouldn't it?

Well, allowing for +/- 1K years margin for error in dating.

Originally posted by whitemotel

Originally posted by aceace
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Sure we may have 40,000 years of proof of existence. The question is what was our intelligence like 17,000 years ago. Were we more ape like - did they change our DNA to where we could figure out how to make buildings instead of living in caves.

any proof our dna has changed?

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Have you seen videos by Llyod Pye Human Orgins Intervention Theory

Its quite interesting. Basically shows DNA evidence that we were created from an alien / earth species hybrid. Earth parts so we can be better adapted to life here on earth.

Originally posted by spikey
17,000 years ago, would tie in nicely with the age of Tiahuanaco wouldn't it?

Well, allowing for +/- 1K years margin for error in dating.

Not quite. All evidence suggests its about 1500 years old

The only accurate information I can glean from the Herschel vid in the OP is that stars move over time....and that Herschel is an idiot. The rest is just imagination and wishful thinking.

Atlas of the Human Journey is a good place to check that people (homo sapiens) just like us in almost every respect were roaming around way before 17000ya.

Why or how did a spacefaring civilization land on Earth and start using stone age technology to build stone structures?

A few of you are saying that Pleiades is the source of the Alien culture that came to earth 17,000 years ago. That's not what Mr Herschel is saying. The star that eventually ends up in the face has nothing to do with the Pleiades. The Pleiades is only a reference point for locating that star. I explained earlier that if a star was 5000 light years away, it would move very little in a picture from earth. If it was 15.74 light years it will move very far when mapped over 17,000 years.