Opponents of ObamaCare Shut Out in Tampa Townhall

reply to post by contemplator


Comparing NZ to the US is like comparing kumquats to grapefruit. NZ has a population of roughly 4 million while the US has 307 million plus. You are in a different world down there compared to what we are facing here.

Care to switch places with me? I'll gladly move to New Zealand and you can have Barry and his master plan.

Public healthcare has its upsides but our govt. can't run any program efficiently and cost effectively. If there is ever a problem they would rather throw money at the problem rather than fix it. Just like they think they can spend their way out of a recession. Its not working and it has never worked.

Originally posted by jibeho
I'll gladly move to New Zealand and you can have Barry and his master plan.

If it helps, I have some frequent flyer miles accumulated. I'll see if they're transferrable.

ON TOPIC:

It has become quite clear the disruptions to Townhall meetings are coordinated and orchestrated by those with a vested interest to halt legitimate Healthcare reform.
(Lobbyists for Big Pharma and Insurance and a pinch of right wing neocons.)

Do you prefer aisle or window?

Kind Regards. . . KK

reply to post by kinda kurious

It has become quite clear the disruptions to Townhall meetings are coordinated and orchestrated by those with a vested interest to halt legitimate Healthcare reform.

Those with a vested interest include about 100% of the American public, whether they know it or not.

This is free speech, sir. A lot better expression than having NBPP members with nightsticks standing outside polling precincts intimidating voters.

reply to post by contemplator

Oh please man.. puhlease... There are people in the US getting bills of 1.5million dollars for the birth of their child.

Bullcrap. Unless you are citing a case where a newborn needs multiple organ transplants in order to survive.

Pointing to an extreme case (if yours is really true) is the same as me pointing to someone under our system who has never paid a dime for health insurance.

You think your system works? LMAO. I'm in NZ where we have public health care and I can assure you it is good, I have choice, it works. I even have full private coverage for my family should I choose to go to a private hospital and that costs me $45US dollars a month!

When I read this, it reminded me of a show I watched this week on hippies and Woodstock. One aging hippie declared "And for 3 days, we showed the world that love can work!"

4 million as opposed to over 300 million? No comparison.

As for the racist comments I'm originally from the deep south US and that is verbatim of what I hear when I visit. Hell.. my own mother wore an Obama button on her shirt and was called a terrorist and spit on.

So? I hear similar anti-white comments from northern AND southern blacks. Means nothing.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by jsobecky]

Did yall see the republican from Texas I think, who was asked "When republicans held the majority in Congress... why didn't they pass a healtcare reform bill?"


That was rather hilarious... but a great point.

Why is everyone searching for the panacea for healthcare reform? Call me when they attack each head of the Healthcare Hydra first. No one wants to eliminate the problems from our current system. The all or nothing approach has to go. Try building a house without a sound foundation...

Am I expected to believe that if this legislation passes that everything is going to be just hunky dory?

Originally posted by jibeho
No one wants to eliminate the problems from our current system.

I do!

*raises hand*

ME ME ME! I do!

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by jibeho
I'll gladly move to New Zealand and you can have Barry and his master plan.

If it helps, I have some frequent flyer miles accumulated. I'll see if they're transferrable.

ON TOPIC:

It has become quite clear the disruptions to Townhall meetings are coordinated and orchestrated by those with a vested interest to halt legitimate Healthcare reform.
(Lobbyists for Big Pharma and Insurance and a pinch of right wing neocons.)

Do you prefer aisle or window?

Kind Regards. . . KK

I'll gladly take the window seat!!

Don't forget that big Pharma are also paying between $150 -$200 million to support Obamacare. www.wellnessresources.com...

wwww.dailykos.com...

Where is your info. coming from? Big Pharma has dissed their republican roots in favor of Obama's seemingly bottomless wallet.

Tha amorality of big business and politics have reunited under the guise of Obama the great changer.

reply to post by jibeho


I have to admit... jibeho is right about Pharma being on board. But heck... if I KNEW I was going to get paid, I'd be on board too.

If you think about it, there are what 30 million uninsured people? If you insure those people you can buy meds in bulk, drop the price etc. Pharma sells pills so it's happy, and folks get meds at a good price (in theory), so they are happy.

I was skeptical at first, but I think it makes sense in the end.

Although, what DOES concern me is if this gives them leverage regarding the FDA... if anything the FDA should crack down more on their "clinical trials"

reply to post by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by jibeho

 

I have to admit... jibeho is right about Pharma being on board. But heck... if I KNEW I was going to get paid, I'd be on board too.

If you think about it, there are what 30 million uninsured people? If you insure those people you can buy meds in bulk, drop the price etc. Pharma sells pills so it's happy, and folks get meds at a good price (in theory), so they are happy.

I was thinking about this last night.

Pharma's argumemt for high drug costs is that they need to recoup the R&D costs that stretch out over years.

But there has to be a better way to solve this 'problem'.

Better tax breaks over the development cycle?

Immediate negotiations with generics as soon as FDA gives approval?

Other ideas?

I just think that the cost of drugs can be easily reduced with a more business-like approach.

Another thing is tort reform. Obama is dead-set against it, and that is the wrong attitude.

The legal system can be reformed without limiting judgments in all cases. Gross negligence/incompetence can be punished without harming the payout for the normal case.

reply to post by jibeho


Jibeho, I concede to your points made.

At the time of my posting, the updates you provided had not been established. The agreements / concessions not made.

I was basing my opinion on as of now outdated info:
Outdared Source #1

Outdated Source #2

I stand corrected on the Big Pharma assertion and will research the new info you provided. Glad you read DailyKos, I see you can both jibe and jive. (sailing reference) I suppose it all depends on which way the wind blows.

Once again, I concede to your claim and stand corrected. I'll pursue the Insurance, Neocon angle.

The developments are troubling to say the least. (I'm not a fan of preventing "generics" for 7 years after a new drug is introduced. That is a devastaing compromise if allowed IMO.)

Regards. . . Kinda Kurios 2.0 ( Kinder & Gentler.)




[edit on 10-8-2009 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by HunkaHunka


There is a huge difference in the cost of running a superpower like America and a nation like New Zealand. I believe you don't even have an airforce these days for example. I'm not an expert on your healthcare system but what are your tax rates like? There is no such thing as free health care, you pay through taxes and if you have private as well you pay twice. Ok had a quick search on your tax rates, they are similar to those here in Australia and that's higher then US tax rates are.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Jacob08]

i personally think its common sense. to ban those who wanna disrupt and fight at any meeting. if they wanna go their and act like a mob. then they get treated like one. now they wanna whine that they are not getting heard. learn how to behave properly and voice ur oppion without yelling and screaming and brawling. if i was having a meeting and some jerks were fighting and acting foolish cuzz tehy dident agree then i would ban them to. there are right ways and wrong ways to get ur views across. they chose the wrong way, so they are banned. some of u just wanna hit obama for anything his does. i find that very sad. just because the mob is banned from the meetings dont mean they cant get heard. they can march up and down the streets, they can make youtube video's, they place add's and buy air time on tv. just my 2 cents though. u act like a mob u get treated like one


salaam

reply to post by Jacob08


I'm sorry... I'm not from New Zealand.