This footage is Amazing...Ufo orbs even cast a shadow...awsome! must watch

Originally posted by TheAmused
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i can't tell if it cgi or not.
im no expert lol

that was took from frame 1193 of the video.

For me the sharpness of the shadows give it away. The movement seems ok, the tracking appears ok (but there is not a lot of shake to it anyway) but the sharpness of the shadow seems to be a bit amateur. Add more blur, a bit of spread and it would have not been noticeable, so I think *IF* it is fake this would be the catch; the author wanted to make it appear real by giving it a shadow, but a realistic shadow would not have been so obvious, so they ignored the way real objects would have cast a shadow in order to obtain one.

If that makes sense.

Having said that, there's not much background to it, no other reported sightings that I'm aware of, and youtube is the first port of call for people wanting to show off.

We'll never know.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Here is a small video to show what I said in my previous post, when I spoke about the shake.

Speed reduced and stabilised (although I am not good at stabilising video yet, I have to learn how to use that VirtualDub filter

).

(click to open player in new window)

Very well spotted! I didn't bother taking it that far, but well done!

And Virtualdub is easy - the filters are the kicker



(edit - Ohh haha you said filters.. oops.. Im not too observant today am I..)


[edit on 7/8/2009 by Ha`la`tha]

Originally posted by CUBD1
And by the way, can anyone on this forum spell or use proper grammar?

As someone who only writes in English on ATS and never speaks it, I would appreciate if you could help me to clear some doubts about the English language.

Thanks in advance.

2) No reflections in the river, although they may not have been in the right location for that, so as other's have said, this may not be a knock against it.

Should the "other's" be spelled like that?

I really am beginning to wonder if these chemtrails are effecting people's brains.

This is a doubt that I have on many occasions, when it should be "affecting" and when it should be "effecting"; in this case, is the "effecting" right or wrong?

Sorry everybody for the off-topic, but I have to keep on denying my ignorance in the English language.

PS: feel free to correct any mistakes you see on any of my posts, although the spell-checker corrects the badly written words it does not correct bad grammar (that I never learnt). Thanks.

Originally posted by defiler
I made a quick 3d model of the plant and try to recreate the perspectives
as close as possible to see are they manipulated.

I think it was better to use the Google Earth image to arrange the buildings on your 3D scene, nothing like a top view to show their correct positions.

If with the buildings in those positions you can get two images looking like the two photos then it shows that both are showing the same plant (or a strangely similar plant)

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I can understand your divided answer. I did also believe at the first time that this was real and stupid enough not to read the whole thread. But anyways

I did this in order of some stories that I'd read before with pictures included a few pages back . But still i can't figure out why this fake footage looks so much about the sightings did by multiple witnesses months ago. Maybe this video poster did a Graphical video compilation of the real stories that some people really encountered. I dunno but just a guess. For now I let it rest.. Until something similar pops up

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by zorgon
Now that its busted here are a few CGI programs. This one made the Haiti UFO

3 minutes into the 2nd video the UFO wind effects are WAY more impressive than the shadows in the OP video. I didn't know CGI programs were that sophisticated. But they also take a skillful person to hide the discrepancies, like the shadows being too sharp on the OP video. I was thinking they could be balloons until I saw ArMaP's great find on the jitter. Once I saw that I was pretty convinced it was CGI even before they guy proved he made it.

Hey at least you read the thread before posting Zorgon! Sam60 did have to keep reminding people to read the freaking thread.

It's a FAKE folks! Still looking for the title to be changed to reflect that OP and mods!

Ahh no, the thing with VUE is that all realism is controlled by the app itself.

VUE is not a 3D modelling application. It is a 3d Landscape application, much the same as Bryce on speed.

It cannot make impressive 3D models like Maya. It can use models made by 3D apps like MAYA etc, and manipulate them in a realistic 3D world.

Thats what makes VUE stand out - the level of realism applied to skys, water, vegetation, etc.

Originally posted by 0bserver1
Maybe this video poster did a Graphical video compilation of the real stories that some people really encountered.

That is what I would do if I wanted to create something appealing, looking for real (as far as possible) reports and try to reproduce them.

The best way of getting positive opinions is to reproduce what other people have seen, then they will all say "I have seen exactly the same spheres in ------", even if they do not look exactly the same.

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I always liked CGI and I also studied the vue6 program myself its pretty easy to make a small video clip but you have to need a pretty damn up to date computer system to render all this stuff. If my configuration gets updated in the near future i want try to make a CGI video of great investigations that were going around here. And not use to fake the cgi skill to assume that it is real. i hate that.

But anyway nice video adds

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Sam60
Someone pinched the movie & posted it as a "real" UFO video, much to the disgust of the movie-maker.

Maybe we should all go and post FOUL on that video He might get the message when a few hundred ATSerr call for a lynching?

Hey Sam... how do you like all these guys who don't read the thread? Get frustrating?

Well yeah.....

But at least it kept me off the reptilian threads for a while

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Yeah that will make of a contribution to the great investigations that are going around ... But I think these people want startle the horde and see what kind of effect it will have on majority of believers we have.They like negative publicity. It could also lead to a new job ...

It looks like some kind of viral advertising for District 9. The aliens in that movie suck power from nuclear reactors.

I'm always baffled by the amount of people who, long after the whole thing is debunked, continue to defend the legitimacy of this nonsense.

Either you didn't even bother to read the whole thread before posting your ignorant opinion, or you want to believe so much in anything that quite frankly not only it's sad, but you've hurt your own credibility.

Many people here like to complain about the skeptics, but guess who keeps debunking the fakes and hoaxes, and in essence advancing and improving the quality of the discussion and research?

It's the people like ArMaP, Sam60, internos and others who even though, think there is something to the UFO phenomena, are skeptics and approach every and each case with critical thinking.

Skeptics and pseudoskeptics are two completely different things. The pseudoskeptics - much like the doe-eyed believers who believe everything - don't bother to look at the evidence to the contrary of their personal convictions.

Everyone should be a skeptic here, regardless of what they think about the UFO phenomena, or any other subject for that matter.

And we also, seriously, need to get rid of the ridiculous notion that just because some have seen things that are somewhat similar to what shows up in these photos or videos, it makes them legitimate.

And, just because a photo or video gets debunked, doesn't mean that all photos and videos are fakes.

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I've never seen one like this either. Seems it will be tough to de-bunk this one. To me it's amazing and the fact that they are flying around a power plant ( Nuke?) is interesting but something I would expect of UFO's. I believe that some kind of energy out in the world doesn't want us messing around with that kind of power (nuclear)

Having read through this thread I have to say I have enjoyed a good laugh at some of the reasoning, not to mention amazement at some of the ego's.

A photograph or video cannot be judged as fake because the hundred or even thousands before it were proved as fakes. The disinformation crowd rely on all the fakes to hide the truth.

Judgements made about the behaviour of things in video like clouds and Shadow and smoke and reflection are not conclusive, you have built up criteria based on information you have seen in other video that you don't know is fake or not, or known CGI which you do, yet in reality things happen that appear to be not normal and if investigated are found to have a reason. Ergo just because there is no reflection in the water does not mean it's fake, If you were stood there watching it and saw no reflection in the water you would look for the reason why, not just make a statement that what you are seeing is false. It could be anything, the angle of the view, some out of shot obstruction.

There is always in these threads, especially by certain people who I wonder if that's their job, the attitude that everything is fake now prove me wrong.

An attitude that someone is not qualified to have a valid opinion because their spelling and grammar is poor is outstandingly abysmal, Does it not occur to that individual that the person may be speaking in a language that is not his or her own and they deserve credit for participating as best they can, and if you are prepared to make judgements on their opinion based on that, then your opinion on anything is suspect at best.

It can't be true because why would aliens be interested in a coal fired station?
yes right OK, so now you are all experts on what the aliens do and want in order to prove your case. I don't know, maybe they were following someone who works there, but what I do know is it is totally irrelevant, the orbs were there, reason why? Unknown, get over it.

The Orbs aren't real because they wobble. Well I understand that anti gravity drive do cause a wobble, most Flying saucers wobble and I would say that was a good reason to say they are real.

It can't be real because of the story they give about the tapes being taken and them being threatened.
Or maybe because they were threatened and the tapes were taken it could well be true.

I haven't seen any attempt to try and show that the video is real, Maybe if you all gave the same effort that you do to prove everything is fake in every thread to proving something might be real, we might all find the facts and prove something that can't be fobbed off by the authorities.
The arrogance and Ego of some of you one here beggars belief, you make statements as if you are the world authority on the subject and look down your noses at everyone else and when that doesn't work you start with personal insults. One thing is blatantly obvious to me and that is that there are some very closed minds on these forums and some planted dissinfo agents.

Do I think this video is real? I can't answer that because as someone said in the thread it is so easy these days to make a video that looks so real you could never be sure, so it needs further investigation, were there any visual reports from around the power plant of these orbs? Are there any witnesses who say they saw the orbs and an aircraft or helicopter flying around? Did anyone else get any photos or vid? These are all the things that prove or disprove an incident, not whether someone can spell or not.

[edit on 7/8/09 by ChewBacky]

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Did you actually read the last few pages of the thread?

We even know who made the video.

ok 1 question i think it has to be asked.

This other guy claim's it was his video .
The guy took from his ftp site or what not..tried to pass it off as real.

Now i get why the guy said west Virginia.

the guy said his movie is eye of the mothman.
Mothman and the bridge was in west Virginia.

But what the heck does ufo orb's have to do with the mothman?
There is no link to the two i have ever heard or seen.

I still got a feeling like we are being yanked around...

Is that coal power plant in west virginia?
Was ufo's ever linked to the mothman?

Are both those user's on youtube the same person?
One to say he stole the link..he was making a movie..to hype his movie up ect?

either way something is still fishy i can't put my finger on it.

still good find guy's.
In depth cyber sleuthing!!!!

Originally posted by TheAmused
But what the heck does ufo orb's have to do with the mothman?
There is no link to the two i have ever heard or seen.

John Keel claimed that Mothman was related to parapsychological events in the area, including UFO activity, Men in Black encounters, poltergeist activity, Bigfoot and black panther sightings, animal and human mutilations, precognitions by witnesses (...) (source)

I still got a feeling like we are being yanked around...

Yes, some people were yanked around in the sense that they fell for a CG representation of an allegedly real or fictitious event (for dramatic purposes I assume), that someone else cropped the watermark out and tried to pass it off as real.

either way something is still fishy i can't put my finger on it.

I think you are trying to see something more where there is nothing more.


[edit on 7-8-2009 by converge]

reply to post by converge


probably so.
I am a paranoid person lol

reply to post by TheAmused


SUPER FAKE!

reply to post by ArMaP


Nice work as always ArMap. That imbecile has been here less than 2 months and shows great disrespect. You are simply brilliant in ANY language, IMO. Intelligence such as yours is universal. I am in constant awe of your research and efforts here.

You NEVER have to defend yourself here. I usually make many errors in both spelling and grammar. People get the point nonetheless.

How do you saw pwned in Portuguese?

Regards. . . KK (A huge fan)