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I would like to report Dick Cheney of Wyoming ... yea, he said Obama Plan to bankrupt us really fast sucked and so does his plan to really fix America. and Bill O'Reily yea, He said he could afford Heath Insurance, but he would prefer it be administered by a witch doctor. or something like that. and that Traitor\Collaborator ah, Hannity ... oh and include that Maher dude he also said Obama could suck his D(^k. yea, do I get a reward... ?

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How can it be made up when the chairman of the fed said it is true. Can you explain this?

Also, please explain how you can make a system designed for a smaller isolated country work on a large imperialist nation?

Are we straight up in George Orwell's 1984 or what?

The SHTF a little bit more each day now...

Thought Police, FEMA camps, population control....

We will be RFID chipped in the next 5 years, if not sooner

reply to post by Shades1035


Why not just re-write a portion of the tax code to allow doctors who treat indigent patients for free, to then write-off the value of that care from thier taxes?

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I heard that talked about by two Dr's earlier today. It would benefit everyone and no governmental takeover of 1/5th of our economy! The poor get health problems taken care of and the Dr doesn't get railroaded by an out of control bureaucracy!

Zindo

Listen, we all need to take a tiny step back and think for one minute here.
Yes, there is really a snitch line called [email protected] and it is asking Americans to rat out there neighbors. There is no doubt about this.

Thing is, they have tried things like this in the past and please don't tell me it is just Obama. George W was plenty guilty of the same kind of things only it was CNN that was reporting it instead of Fox News.

We were dealing with a rogue goverment then and we are still doing the same now. Wake up people, its not about left or right anymore, thats just what they want you to think it is. Those "mobs" in all the city halls, there not a bunch of hired right wing fanatics! They are soccer moms and middle class dads that grew up American and during the cold war and don't take kindly to people spitting on the Constitution or capitalism.

You can make the argument that Capitalism has been dead since 1913 and thats fine because I agree with you but the fact remains that though we know it, the general public may just be waking up to the idea. It is alot like being in a coma.

We are going to have to show this administration in no uncertain terms that we are unhappy and are not gonna put up with the # anymore, period. Thats what we did with Bush and he didn't take the Rfid cards to the next level, did he? They will back down when the left and the right stop fighting and recombine under the blanket of Americans.

The only way we can accomplish the goal of overcoming tyranny is to unite and forget the petty squabbling we do between two partys who are all Americans and love this country.

When and if we decide to fight, we make that choice together like it or not. Once the ball is rolling understand your ideals will mean little because in war, you are a pawn, a statistic or a number, your ideals mean nothing unless you have a gun and standing orders and even then................ If you don't fight to be free and from your heart, you will lose.

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Are you angry yet?

You guys keep posting this crap....Are you willing to do anything about it??????

You keep posting George W vs. Obama crap....

Do you realize that they are one in the same?


Pathetic!

I just reported www.whitehouse.gov as a "fishy" website, I'm sure I'm now on a list and will pay the price.

could this be one of many ways for the internet czar to compile a friend and foes list?

Nope! Its just a way for the White House to gather together the rumors going around about the proposed health care plan. In an effort to be able to dispel the rumors, they sort of have to know what the rumors are. Its not a bad plan, after reading through it , but some of the rumors are really ludicrous. It figures, though, its like some people read only part of the paragraph, make an assumption, then spread the interpretation everywhere. Most of the rumors I've seen are folks I know getting emails from others in groups that they belong to.

So, for anyone who thinks this is another conspiracy, I would have to disagree. It states what it wants, you know why, and it won't work unless you participate, which is far from conspiracy status.

Paz

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Which bill is that from? There are 10 floating around now.

There, was that fishy enough? No?

How can Obama tell us exactly what this reform will do if he doesn't have a clue which bill makes it through? In reality, since the Senate wrote their own version(s), the answer is none of the above. So, for Obama to say exactly what this reform will do is completely dishonest. As an experienced lawmaker, he knows that too. How can we know what to protest or not if no one knows exactly what is going to be in this thing? And, the tradeoff of course is that since there is no consensus reform at this time, how can anyone protest it and not be spreading disinformation. Bottom line, anyone who discusses what this bill will or will not do is fishy and should be reported to The White House immediately.

Is that fishy enough?

reply to post by Gorman91


Here in England we saw the tv commercial about our health service which was produced by the US health industry. It misrepresented the reality. It lied. America has over forty million people without healthcare. The only people who always benefit from your present system are health insurance companies and medical professionals. Universal healthcare is continually slandered as the thin end of the communist edge. Good for Obama if he wants to counter the health industry's (and it is one) propaganda. By their criteria, subsidies for agriculture and the auto industry, bank bail-outs and most pork-barrel loans/investments are also creeping socialism. But maybe you want to live in a world where only the wealthy (and never mind how they got their money) can expect a good, healthy and long life. Now what would that be – survival of the richest?

Just because intelligent people look at all sides of an issue....try being impartial for a few minutes and imagine yourself as someone working in the government, trying to introduce health care reform.

People all over the country are creating and circulating rumors about your project...MANY OF WHICH ARE TOTAL BULLCRAP!

Because you respect the general public you'd like to be able to counter this BULLCRAP and make sure people get SOME modicum of truth.

Wouldn't you want to know what's being said so you could anticipate it?

This is the email that I sent to the fish guru.
I have recieved a fishy email and it said that the White House wants Americans to tattle on their Neighbors. This maybe the way the government runs in KENYA but here in America this is ILLEGAL. I know you people are new to this freedom concept, but you might want to consider looking into it..... We are American and WE are GETTING PISSED>
Sincerely,
Concerned American and Veteran,


If we don't speak we cannot be heard.

I just sent an email to [email protected] reporting the CBO. They are saying that the health care bill will cost 1000% more than Obama says it will, in terms of expenses, and lack of savings, as claimed by the administration.


[edit on 7-8-2009 by ProfEmeritus]

Originally posted by Moonage
reply to post by Maxmars

 

Which bill is that from? There are 10 floating around now.

There, was that fishy enough? No?

How can Obama tell us exactly what this reform will do if he doesn't have a clue which bill makes it through? In reality, since the Senate wrote their own version(s), the answer is none of the above. So, for Obama to say exactly what this reform will do is completely dishonest. As an experienced lawmaker, he knows that too. How can we know what to protest or not if no one knows exactly what is going to be in this thing? And, the tradeoff of course is that since there is no consensus reform at this time, how can anyone protest it and not be spreading disinformation. Bottom line, anyone who discusses what this bill will or will not do is fishy and should be reported to The White House immediately.

Is that fishy enough?

You make a very valid point.

How indeed can we know which bill is 'real' and which isn't? What will be part of the final bill and what will not? Maybe we should staple all the submissions together (probably about 30,000 pages) and start a council of learned elders to mull over their meaning for a few millenia...

They took a page out of the religious practices manual and made certain that only a certain class of indoctrinated citizen stands any hope of deciphering it....

BTW..., in answer to your question I have no idea if that represents alarming propositions in one or all drafts of the bill.

'transparent' government.... yeah right

Wow! The ‘pres.’ wants us to forward to them suspicious e-mails about health insurance reform. I have been getting so many lately! Some with cartoons, graphics, prayers, videos, etc. I guess the WH knows something that we don’t know. Even though an e-mail might have an innocent looking title, is it possible that it may contain suspicious content about health insurance reform? Frankly, I am afraid to open them. No telling WHAT suspicious content they may have.

But, how to determine for sure what may be suspicious is beyond me. I wonder if I forwarded ALL of the e-mails that seem suspicious to me just to play it safe….yes. I’m sure they know what they are asking for………hmm.

Second thought……Probably best to not. Whaddya think? If everyone sent the suspicious e-mails they received, the WH e-mail would likely be overwhelmed. And WH e-mails must be retained forever.

Yes…pass this around….best to NOT forward ALL of the ‘suspicious’ e-mails we all receive lest we overwhelm the WH system. ; )

Originally posted by Gorman91
[email protected]

Remember that. It's your new ministry of truth.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].

So, is this the precedent for the ministry of truth? What do you all think?

Okay, here's what I think.

I think you're not terribly bright. I think you have a problem with letting what you want something to say interfere with what it actually says. I think you have severe difficulties with reading comprehension. Which is funny, because this isn't in complicated language.

Okay, let me break this down for you.

There's lots of skewings, incomplete info and bald-faced lies out there. They get passed around all the time.

The idea is to trick some weak-minded fool, or someone already predisposed to believe any negative claim or interpretation that comes along, that a particular lie or misrepresentation is actually true.

As is the case here.

The point of this is that there's plenty of misinfo, disinfo, skewed information and outright lies about this and other actions or policies of the Obama administration.

As the government doesn't have the resources to find every single new claim out there, they're asking regular citizens to let them know when they see a new bit of disinfo, so that the claims can be addressed and the facts provided.

This isn't 'spying' on your fellow citizens. This is watching out for falsehoods designed to deceive the people of this country.

I think it was Jefferson who said that a well-informed people is necessary for a healthy democracy (or words to that effect). Conversely, a mis-informed people is all that's needed for a democracy to fail.

Because when the people vote and make other decisions based on lies, you can bet that while someone's best interests will be served, it won't be theirs.

Which part of this concept is so hard to comprehend?

Originally posted by ghaleon12
With all the special interests fighting healthcare reform, reporting on clearly false information is important. Some of the rumors are pretty outlandish like how healthcare reform is a conspiracy to kill old people. People actually believe some of that crazy stuff, healthcare reform is already tough enough to get through without people being tricked to be against reform.

YES!!!! There's actually someone on this board who can READ!!!

And here I was starting to think I was the only one...