Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

Here is another thing I don't get.

People ran Bush thru the mill in 2000. He had to come forth with records for everything that had nothing to do with him being able to be President besides trying to make him look like a scum bag.
Now, when a true Constitutional problem comes up, everyone wants to just throw it out and laugh at it.
This is the first time that a President was born of a Non-Citizen. Yes, some other Presidents parents were born in other countries, but they were US citizens when they had there young Presidents.

I don't know why the American People don't demand the hard proof. They seem to want to be satisfied with a little bit of nothing for proof when it could be so easy.

Anyone that wants to hide something like that for these reasons is just plain dishonest.

I know many of you have had to come up with way more proof for a lot less. This is important, it always has been.
Maybe next election we can put in an illegal Mexican that does not speak English. I am sure we can doctor up some paper work to fit. We didn't want CA anymore anyways........................

reply to post by j2000

Well a Mexiacan President would be smarter and better for the job as we all know.
And how do you demand such a thing in this day and age, they just lock you up as terrorist.


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One person murdered was the key witness in the Obama passport case, as for his controlers you could start with ZBig, Kissinger.

This isn't bad at all compared to Clinton, they were dropping like flies around him, in both Arkansas and D.C.

Here is another question.

How many of you that are 100% certain he was born in the U.S. and qualifies as a Natural Born Citizen would sign a Document in a court of law for it, if attached to that. That you would be held for Treason according to the Constitution of the United States of America and the penalty is death?

Would you be willing to put your life on the line for it?

Would our Congress or Senate? Think about it.........

Sometimes in life you just have to do what makes things right. Sometimes you do have to fight for princple. The Constitution made the line in the sand and Obama is the one that made it a question.

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Originally posted by j2000

Maybe next election we can put in an illegal Mexican that does not speak English. I am sure we can doctor up some paper work to fit. We didn't want CA anymore anyways........................

To be completely honest, I would have NO qualms with CA leaving the union. That cesspool of socialism filled with liberal hippies and freaks, already invaded by illegal immigrants, no longer really identifies (at least to me) with the american values that our founding fathers fought for.

Besides, that state is crumbling and is bankrupt thanks to all the bailouts and loans they've had to take in order to support their socialist programs. They're so desperate for money, they're willing to consider the legalization of an illegal substance in order to get some revenue in. Good job hippies! You thought you could get away with no accountability, now look at what your appalling irresponsible behavior has done to your state. You're an embarrassment to our nation and your children.

It must really p**s you californians off that a "redneck" state like TX is whooping your collective a**es since they're nowhere nearly in as bad a situation as you are, even considering how bad this recession has hit everybody.

To be honest, I would sooner remove California from the Union, and make Puerto Rico a full fledged U.S. state (instead of a colony) so we can keep the 50 stars in our flag. Yes, I'd sooner be willing to trust puerto rico more than I'd trust CA because of all the damage that state has done to our union.

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reply to post by j2000

How many of you that are 100% certain he was born in the U.S. and qualifies as a Natural Born Citizen would sign a Document in a court of law for it, if attached to that. That you would be held for Treason according to the Constitution of the United States of America and the penalty is death?

While this question is quite off topic and ridiculous, I'll bite and say yes I would. Because unlike this fraud Kenyan BC, Hawaii backed up Obama's BC saying he was born there.

Course, are you putting a hit list together of people your going to hunt down as "traitors"?

I cant believe we're still seeing threads like this all over the site;

seriously?

haven't we been over this countless times already to sort of put it aside and move on?

some people are just persistent

Now that this has been found to be another fake I was wondering if the people here who have been fiercely defending the doc could tell me, honestly, why they think all of these forged/fake birth certs are being produced?

What is the real motive behind all of these forgeries?

Also, now that another fake has been revealed are you starting to believe Pres. Obama really is a natural born American? Or are you getting closer to believing that he is?

If not then why?

BTW, Has another fake been found yet here? Seems really quiet today.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by Electro38]

www.abc.net.au...

This is very interesting, no transcript up yet but you can listen to it.

If somebody tries to use this in court Obama can sue them for slander

Originally posted by j2000
Here is another question.

How many of you that are 100% certain he was born in the U.S. and qualifies as a Natural Born Citizen would sign a Document in a court of law for it, if attached to that. That you would be held for Treason according to the Constitution of the United States of America and the penalty is death?

Would you be willing to put your life on the line for it?

Would our Congress or Senate? Think about it.........

Sometimes in life you just have to do what makes things right. Sometimes you do have to fight for princple. The Constitution made the line in the sand and Obama is the one that made it a question.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by j2000]

Would you do that for anyone? Put your life on the line? That's a ridiculous question.

So Obama drew this "line" in the sand? How did he do that?

When the state of Hawaii produced his birth certificate that's not enough for all of you?

Why wouldn't that be sufficient? When you are asked to produce your own berth cert. could you imagine if in addition to that you had to prove your origin of birth the way the Pres is being ask to?

My point here is that isn't there a double standard here? Anyone can see that of course there is.

So my question is, why such a double standard?

What if we all had to suddenly prove we were Americans, and it just so happens that producing our birth certs wasn't enough? We had to rigorously prove it regardless of a valid birth cert. If that happened to any of you, wouldn't you think that was ridiculous and unnecessary?


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Why does everyone keep missing the point regarding the simple fact that Obama has not yet released the vault copy of his BC or any other records pertinent to his present position as leader of the our failing nation.

There is either no father listed on the document or a father different from Barack Sr. is listed on the measly piece of paper. IMHO this is a fatherhood issue and an issue that pertains to Obama being born to an unwed teenage mother. The truth lies in the fabrication that Barack Sr. is Obama's biological father.

Questions:

1. Do you consider your birth certificate from your state of birth sufficient to prove your own citizenship?

2. Why is that not enough for the Pres. to prove his citizenship?


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Does anyone here know if any other president in history was asked to rigorously prove their citizenship the way we're asking Obama to do?

*Have previous presidents only needed to provide a valid birth cert from their state of birth? Or were they also asked to provide additional articles of proof?

How many people here have multiple documents that prove their own citizenship?

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Originally posted by GLDNGUN
IF it's a fake, the forgerer may have used the following document as his template:

www.bomford.net...

Apparently it ss a scanned image of a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” dated in 1964 for a David Jeffrey Bomford on a genealogy website for the Bomford family; however, David Jeffrey Bomford wasn’t born in Kenya, he was born in South Australia.

A closer look reveals more disturbing info.

The names of the registrar and the district registrar are nearly the same names used in the Kenya certificate except for the first initials, (G.H. Lavender and J.H. Miller in the Bomford BC vs. E.H. Lavender and M.H. Miller in the Kenya BC).

Also, the book number (44B) and page number (5733) are the same on both BCs.

If this Bomford certificate is the real deal, then I'll be the first to admit that the Kenya BC is very likely fake and that whomever forged it used the Bomford certificate for their template.

GLDNGUN's post seemed odd to me, due to the fact that I had just read the same post on two different websites...
GLDNGUN posted this discovery here at 6:32 PM
posted on 3-8-2009 @ 06:32 PM
The same information was posted at:
pub29.bravenet.com...
By user JustTheFacts, with a time stamp of:

JustTheFacts Aug 3, 2009 - 6:27PM

And the same info was posted at:
www.politijab.com...
Posted by Koyaan, with a time stamp of:

by Koyaan » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:36 pm

I could go onto other sites where this exact same info was posted by different ppl, at almost the exact same time, where that poster also got credit for the discovery...I find it odd to say the least...
Is it just me, or do I smell a rat?

Most of the people here have one thing in common, we all know what that is. No one can see this as a case of double standards? Or see this whole movement for what it really is?

Focusing on the piece of paper, it's ink, etc. is a very convenient way for you to avoid what's really motivating you.

I have to speak in riddles now due to the censors. How ironic.

I think this is the first time in history where a presidents birth certificate wasn't enough to prove his citizenship. (I wonder why?)

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reply to post by MissysWorld


Yes, I small a rat too.
Don't know what or who or why....but something definitely amiss

Originally posted by Electro38
Questions:

1. Do you consider your berth certificate from your state of birth sufficient to prove your own citizenship?

DAMN RIGHT I DO!

2. Why is that not enough for the Pres. to prove his citizenship?

Because, clearly, this is not about the "truth", not about the "law" its about the man in question. People are just trying to find any reason to go against Barrack Obama. The people raising these "questions" are the same people that call him a socialist, a community organizer and even the Anti-Christ (like on that RIDICULOUS video that surfaced on Youtube). You know, for most people, it's enough to know that it was the conservative media that started this so they discredit as just another smear tactic.

Let them discuss this, just let them. Not only nothing will come out of this, Barrack Obama will be re-elected again. The only person that might loose from this are the republicans/conservatives. They look ridiculously desperate by the day. I hope they enjoy living in a LIBERAL WORLD!

I'm going to ignore the "is this legit...oh, guess not" thing, and address the issue of "what happens if this is legit (or something similar turns out to be legit in the future)?"

Originally posted by octotom

2 Biden becomes pres..

I don't think so. Since Obama never was eligable, his votes from the electoral college wouldn't count. And the person with the next highest total for the presidential ballot would be president—Mr. John Sydney McCain. That could be why the Republicans never rose a fit about it. They knew what would happen. So, instead of looking desperate, they let people do what they wanted because, they knew they'd win in the end.

I assure you, that John McCain would not take office. In your scenario, the Presidency would be filled by a man who lost the 2000 GOP nomination to Bush, and the 2008 Presidential race to a non-citizen? America has said "NO!" to John McCain as President. Anyway, there is absolutely no constitutional basis for such a move.

Most likely, Obama would resign before being removed from office, and Biden would become President. In the event that Biden was removed, on the grounds that he was was fraudulently elected, then the Supreme Court would almost certainly chose to follow the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, and the Speaker of the House would become President. Currently, the Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi.


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Originally posted by Fanatic

Originally posted by Electro38
Questions:

1. Do you consider your berth certificate from your state of birth sufficient to prove your own citizenship?

DAMN RIGHT I DO!

2. Why is that not enough for the Pres. to prove his citizenship?

Because, clearly, this is not about the "truth", not about the "law" its about the man in question. People are just trying to find any reason to go against Barrack Obama. The people raising these "questions" are the same people that call him a socialist, a community organizer and even the Anti-Christ (like on that RIDICULOUS video that surfaced on Youtube). You know, for most people, it's enough to know that it was the conservative media that started this so they discredit as just another smear tactic.

Let them discuss this, just let them. Not only nothing will come out of this, Barrack Obama will be re-elected again. The only person that might loose from this are the republicans/conservatives. They look ridiculously desperate by the day. I hope they enjoy living in a LIBERAL WORLD!

Amen. It's amazing that these people would never expect the same demands imposed on them if they need to prove their citizenship.

So why can't they see the hypocrisy here?

And what's even more strange, is that if you suggest that there may be an element of hypocrisy, a double standard or dare I say racism in this movement they go ballistic.

I am not saying that is the case with everyone, my argument has been that there might be an element of hypocrisy and racism in this movement. Is that really such an irrational belief for me to have?

Apparently, yes it is. And I'm not even allowed to write the word "racism" or "racist". Those words, apparently have no place here, as I have been told.
That's preposterous and ridiculous.

I've been told many, many times that I should just concentrate on the fake document instead of those other silly things I was thinking. In other words, I was being told what to think, and threatened with being censored. I was told I needed to only discuss the forged document, and talk about it's paper, the ink, etc.

Does anyone see the irony of that, when I am participating in a thread where people claim to be bastions of the constitution, (upholding the constitution)?

So the constitution should only be defended when it suits your agenda? I guess so.

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First off, Happy Birthday Mr. President!!

Secondly, this whole thread is a bunch of crap:

a) Here's a site that has examined Obama's actual birth certificate.
"http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html"

b) It's against the law in the State of Hawaii to release the birth certificate to a bunch of hysteric morons.

c) To back it up, the Governor of Hawaii (a REPUBLICAN) had the certificate sealed to keep it away from said hysteric morons. Why? Because that is the law.

d) The right wing lost, and they are definitely NOT good losers!

No Porch Joe
Defending the rights of non-morons!