An Example of Why We Must Destroy Muslim Extremists!

Grape, you are spot on.

The reason there are so many upset with you is that you didn't cover the title in candy sprinkles!

Switch destroy with "slap" and Muslim Extremists with "the Joker" and maybe you would have a bigger following!

America is nowhere near perfect, but when compared to crazy groups such as the Muslim Extremists, people wonder why we want them gone!!?

Tell you what, if the extremists rule, I'll kill myself. In no way would I allow these inhuman men force me to live the way 'they' think I should. These extremists are all over the world. I find it hard to believe that some people just don't get it and are defending them. We are talking about extremists, not your averarage muslim. Though they really do need to change how they treat their women.

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


Thanks Fritos.. You know I always seem to struggle with subtlety (see I cant even spell it)..I just call it as I see it. You know it would be nice to sit down and discuss it with them over cake and ice cream, but we know that wont work. Hell if you get a lighted candle to near any of them they are liable to blow up.

This is the real world and you and I both know the only way this is going to be settled is with brute force.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
If we let Muslim extremism continue to spread then they will crush the rights of women and take countries back to the Dark Ages.

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We must destroy these Muslim extremists before they are allowed to spread their crazy ideology!
[edit on 7/30/2009 by grapesofraft]

Wow, a mob does a little rock throwing at a school and now you think we should "destroy these Muslim extremists". As if the death penalty were a suitable punishment for destruction of property from rock throwing. Under American laws, these people would get an assault charge at best. Yes, they were calling for the man's death, but you are calling for their deaths as well. How are you different from them? You are both calling for the unwarranted destruction of another person, and even though neither you, nor the rock throwing protesters actually harmed anyone directly, perhaps you should confront the destructive nature of your own ideology. Perhaps you are actually more harmful because you are calling for the extermination of a broad category of people.

I'm not defending this mob or Muslim extremism, I am just saying how are you any different from the Muslim extremists, making these posts trying to get people all stoked about killing other people? If you think about it in this light, you would realize that you are an extremist yourself, and once you realize that fact it makes your thread highly ironic.

These individuals may have flawed ideologies, but that doesn't call for the destruction of a broad category of people. Maybe they need to be exposed to more advanced cultural knowledge. Besides, when you call for the deaths of extremists what do you consider extremism? Sometimes I think people with spiky hair are extreme. And with Muslim extremists in particular, they sometimes are pretty hard to tell apart from the regular nice Muslims since they look and dress the same. I bet you can figure out where I'm going with this.

So the moral of this story is instead of trying to incite hatred and violence, those who are calling for violence should change their ideology. We could do that through sharing cultural ideas through the media, for example, and eventually once people understand one another better the violence will decrease.

You would probably reply: "Well some people will not change their ideologies... they are hopeless ."

Just as these people may be beyond redemption in your eyes, you should hope that you're not beyond redemption in the eyes of another... consider that before you call for spilled blood in some other forum. You would want a chance to prove you could change, instead of just being destroyed, right?

I would have posted this news article on ATS in a completely different context. In this case, I would investigate the possibility that this isn't a disorganised mob but perhaps a paid group that is harassing the schoolteacher, since part of the article implies that it was the same mob. Who would benefit from young girls not getting an education in Afghanistan?

from Article

In 2003, Royesh says, Marefat became the target of a smear campaign in local Shiite mosques and educational centers. The school's teachers were accused of preaching Christianity, communism, Judaism and secularism – all of which are illegal under Afghan law.

Last year the smears spread further, over the airwaves of a television channel set up by Mohammad Asif Mohseni, the Shiite cleric who drafted the controversial law that allowed marital rape in Afghanistan.

Maybe Mohammad Asif Mohseni guy is paying for the mob. After all, its hard to make a living harassing somebody full time. If that is the case, then Mohseni should be arrested by Afghani police and tried in civil court. THAT should be investigated. Nobody should be "destroyed," they should be educated. Change your flawed ideology!

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So once you arrest the guy, he gets discredited and his manipulation of public opinion becomes obvious. This is a much better way to combat extremism and the abuse of women, and hey look, nobody has to die. Put him under heavy public scrutiny to limit his illegal activity and eventually discredit him since he no doubt has disturbing bedroom antics and might be paying for mobs or other sort of "extremist" organizations. This will lead to a change in mindset in most of his followers and a defusal of the situation without death.

Heres another example of how screwed up things get when we allow Islam to rule the world.

Women in court in trouser 'test case'

"Thousands of women are punished with lashes in Sudan but they stay silent," she said. "The law is being used to harass women and I want to expose this."

Yassir Arman, a senior member of the Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM), the dominant party in southern Sudan, said he had brought up the case with the U.S. Envoy to Sudan Scott Gration on his recent visit. "The SPLM is calling for this law to be repealed," he told Reuters. "It humiliates both Christian and Muslim women." Northern Sudan is government by Islamic law which includes restrictions on public decency, particularly for women.

You always hear about this stuff in Afghanistan but you don't seem to hear much about Saudi Arabia. Why not go war on them, too?

Wouldn't the world be much happier if we all awoke each day new the 7th century? Ever see the movie Groundhog Day? I feel sorry for Muslims. Every day is the 7th century. I mean being in denial about the reality of modern society and attempting to merge the gap of over a thousand years must be frustrating. Most of them are probably just pissed cause they "don't get it". Always fighting, always threatening, and easily offended. why? Perhaps cause they are oppressing the truth, about the lie.

The majority of this thread is filled with such anger and hate

All of those people wanting to kill the extremist, or say would kill themselves if the extremist ever ruled... I mean, isn't that what they are saying about us?
Are you not extremists as well?
Killing is pretty extreme...

Where have your morals of compassion and courage, even in the face of evil gone?

Actually the OP Heading should be

"An Example of Why We Must Destroy Extremists".

Estremists may it be muslim,christian, sikh, jew should not be tolerated.

I agree with the OP, but I feel that he is unnecessarily moderate in his position.

The problem is not Islamic extremism. The problem is religious extremism. There is in America a not insignificant segment of Christian fundamentalists who would act the same were it not for the threat of imprisonment and execution.

Religiously motivated assaults and murders, such as the recent slaying of abortion doctor George Tiller by a fundamentalist Christian, are common even in Western nations. Long-term conflicts like that in Palestine, or the age-old struggle between India and Pakistan, are as motivated by differences in religious dogma as by territorial greed.

The root of the problem is that religion, at least as represented by the major faiths of the world, is irrational. It instills and encourages belief in metaphysical forces which bring life after death, or mandate the eradication of nonbelievers, or what have you. These delusional beliefs can lead practitioners who happen to be unstable to justify their irrational, perhaps even violent, actions in the name of an imagined greater metaphysical good.

Under certain faiths, these violent acts tend to come from individuals who are emotionally disturbed to begin with, who may mis-apply the principles of their religion in antisocial or violent ways. In other societies, though, these malicious, religiously-inspired acts are the norm, rather than the exception; Dark-ages Europe, the town of Salem, Massachusetts during the late 1600s, Islamic nations living under Sharia law, and the Emperor-worshiping faith of Japan before and during World War II are a few examples of cultures in which unspeakable cruelty has been tolerated or condoned on the basis of religious ideology.

Blaming Islam in particular is nearsighted. Extremist Christianity several hundred years ago was every bit as inflammatory, destructive, and un-humanitarian as extremist Islam is today. Islam is a much younger faith than Christianity, and is no more unstable than Christianity was during its earlier years, in the times which gave us the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the institutionalized repression of women, and the execution of heretics and suspected 'witches'.

No one faith is to blame for all of this. Until we can, as a species, cease to use our religious beliefs as justification for harming or killing one another, this pattern will continue; it is not any particular God which inspires violence, but the irrational influence of fundamentalist religion itself.

Same thing with extreme rightwing Christian's and Zionists. It's all the same crap with extremists.

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
I agree with the OP, but I feel that he is unnecessarily moderate in his position.

The problem is not Islamic extremism. The problem is religious extremism. There is in America a not insignificant segment of Christian fundamentalists who would act the same were it not for the threat of imprisonment and execution.

Religiously motivated assaults and murders, such as the recent slaying of abortion doctor George Tiller by a fundamentalist Christian, are common even in Western nations. Long-term conflicts like that in Palestine, or the age-old struggle between India and Pakistan, are as motivated by differences in religious dogma as by territorial greed.

The root of the problem is that religion, at least as represented by the major faiths of the world, is irrational. It instills and encourages belief in metaphysical forces which bring life after death, or mandate the eradication of nonbelievers, or what have you. These delusional beliefs can lead practitioners who happen to be unstable to justify their irrational, perhaps even violent, actions in the name of an imagined greater metaphysical good.

Under certain faiths, these violent acts tend to come from individuals who are emotionally disturbed to begin with, who may mis-apply the principles of their religion in antisocial or violent ways. In other societies, though, these malicious, religiously-inspired acts are the norm, rather than the exception; Dark-ages Europe, the town of Salem, Massachusetts during the late 1600s, Islamic nations living under Sharia law, and the Emperor-worshiping faith of Japan before and during World War II are a few examples of cultures in which unspeakable cruelty has been tolerated or condoned on the basis of religious ideology.

Blaming Islam in particular is nearsighted. Extremist Christianity several hundred years ago was every bit as inflammatory, destructive, and un-humanitarian as extremist Islam is today. Islam is a much younger faith than Christianity, and is no more unstable than Christianity was during its earlier years, in the times which gave us the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the institutionalized repression of women, and the execution of heretics and suspected 'witches'.

No one faith is to blame for all of this. Until we can, as a species, cease to use our religious beliefs as justification for harming or killing one another, this pattern will continue; it is not any particular God which inspires violence, but the irrational influence of fundamentalist religion itself.

Yep. Don't forget the Pittsburgh cop killer and the guy who shot up at the Holocaust museum. I would add the Universalist church here in TN but I think that was more political than religious he just happened to be.

Attack domestically, ignore it internationally
sooner or later, people will look at freedom and decide they want some too, at which point they'll attain it for themselves. We all ready did.... 200 years ago.

We should kill all Catholics.

Because the Cathloics caused a war that killed off millions of people and plundered and raped innocent towns.

Why? because they where looking for a glass to drink whine out of. Unfortunately they never found it

We must kill all catholics so they can pull these shenanigans again.


/ end sarcasm

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True Christians and Muslims do NOT commit murder. Extremists of any religion are bad for everyone involved. Each religion should do it's utmost to help control the extremists in their midst and help teach them that aggressive violence causes great difficulties for their people and is against their own laws.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

How am I wrong? Do you really want people to have to live under the rule of a bunch of lunatics that dont even think a woman is worth an education and they threaten to kill little girls for trying to better themselves? Name one thing that would be good about being ruled by the Taliban.

It's your hang em and shoot em solution, zeig Heil! This makes you no better than them. Don't forget that the general population in Afghanistan is no lover of the Taliban either. What is needed is for Afghans to be able to prevent the Taliban from gaining control. Westerners with guns and a shoot to kill policy simply gives the Taliban the ability to recruit followers amongst the idealistic angry youth. Afghans need to get control of their own country. It's a tricky balancing act and takes time.

Bravo!

It's nice to see a thread that contains more factual and realistic replies than replies from the do-gooders for a change!

Although they are still in force...

Can I just point something out in defence of the OP because it seems that theres quite a few of our members who can't read very well?

Although the title of the thread refers to Muslim Extremists, the OP has stated numerous amount of times that he is against extremists regardless of their religion.

So could people please stop posting things like "well you wouldn't be saying that about your own religion", I suggest in future take the time to actually read the whole thread before commenting.

I agree with everything the OP has stated.

People can harp on about letting others live how they want to but anyone who genuinely cares will not want to allow some the things that are happening today happen.

As a previous stated example, rape victims being raped by the state and being stoned to death, for being a victim

How we go about controlling these people or effecting change I'm not quite sure.

I'll partially agree with the posters who have said that using violence against these people will only strengthen their cause and ultimately make them stronger.

But I think there must be a way that we can scare these people, maybe through the use of controlled violence - I'm not entirely sure.

How do you scare someone who isn't afraid of dying?

That's all the input I've got for now, I'll add more as and when I think about it.

Good thread OP, starred & flagged!

[edit on 5/8/09 by Death_Kron]

[edit on 5/8/09 by Death_Kron]

Don’t let anybody tell you differently…there is a Muslim extremist problem in the world. And it is growing. And while it probably wouldn’t constitute a need for any action over in the west yet…it is at least important to recognize. More importantly, we can put pressure on our “leaders” and make sure they don’t put any religious-based legislation into our law books. More importantly, we can try to get an alternative fuel out soon – so that we stop funding those who hate every everyone else who isn’t a “believer.”

Originally posted by newworld
to the people criticizing the member who started this thread- all he is saying is that islamic EXTREMIST should be destroyed. Notice he is not saying that all muslims must be destroyed, or that Islam is an evil religion that needs to be eradicated. He is criticizing the extremist of the group; not the GROUP as a whole.

The point of the critics in this thread is IMO, that the OP says "destroyed".
You could say "educated/isolated/informed/let it die out in their own incompetence", which are the 21th century options. Ideologies that have their only chance of survival by eradicating others cannot be much of a ideology. The stance of the OP is a seventeenth to nineteenth century ideological stance against a 14th century ideology.

We are not destroying christian extremists (like KKK) on our own turf, are we?

The idea that we can only thrive without them is wrong and the idea that the "Taliban" will spread over the world is wrong and based on fear.