Some Grey Aliens may not actually be Aliens at all.

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That wasn't a grey there in the vortex, I am pretty sure. The NWO doesn't control them and they aren't into controlling us at all, so I would say it was probably one of the demon world's inhabitants disguised as one, cuz that vortex thing sounds a lot like the 'portal' I saw opened into the demon world to summon one over. It is all part of the NWO's agenda to discredit and make us afraid of the greys, in part so that we humans will be afraid to deal with the greys, should they try to circumvent the NWO's plans and make contact with us independently.

So you have also seen these portals? What energy came with it for you?

See how would the NWO open a vortex in my room to send a Grey demon down it to me? How do they actually do something like that? You mention the controlling NWO very much, from your description it sounds like they control EVERYTHING. Im not so sure, are we not just giving the NWO controlling energy over us if we give thoughts to them as so powerful? Do they not have better things to control than me in my room? I just cant see why the NWO would send a demon grey to me



I can see how I would summon it from meditation by mistake but the NWO??

Would it not be more effective to open a portal that many people saw and so many people became afraid and controlled?

Originally posted by Venus014
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Hey yah, Commander Brad is quite a cutie! *lol*

He is but he looks like to me an 1900s soldier. Is that really Commander Brad of the Space Federation? His eyes look alien . Can he be an alien thats lived here for 200 years but now commands in space?

This pic is a joke; I believe the original poster of the pic was trying to flesh out a 'commander Brad' that the Op mentioned.
Most of us on this thread don't really believe in that whole Space command thing, from what I've read. I know I don't.

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Thanks Dragonridergal. Yes, Venus014 it was a joke. That pic is Leopold II.
I believe in higher orginizations but not the GFL.

Originally posted by Mr Green

So you have also seen these portals? What energy came with it for you?

See how would the NWO open a vortex in my room to send a Grey demon down it to me? How do they actually do something like that? You mention the controlling NWO very much, from your description it sounds like they control EVERYTHING. Im not so sure, are we not just giving the NWO controlling energy over us if we give thoughts to them as so powerful? Do they not have better things to control than me in my room? I just cant see why the NWO would send a demon grey to me

I can see how I would summon it from meditation by mistake but the NWO??

Would it not be more effective to open a portal that many people saw and so many people became afraid and controlled?

Yah, what you describe sounds like the portal the master of the cult I was involved with (as a small child) summoned to bring a demon thru. I was pretty much off to the side, outside the doorway, (like a simple door woulda stopped that demon if it got loose!) but from what little I could see, the energy swirling around was very dark and heavy and then settled into an opening thru which I could see a dark, flame-lit landscape. The demon was actually standing in flames too.

The true satanic cult leadership had the spells needed to open portals and summon demons; given I believe to them by the Elves back before the cults were connected to satan. Most of them were based on the druid traditions but to keep followers, they had to 'update', and so added the concept of satan to their other rituals and such.

For all that they weren't at all very nice and had gotten much worse since their switch to worshiping satan versus whatever god it was the druids worshiped, I am fairly sure that they weren't actually connected to the NWO bunch, because I am well aware that children, for example, weren't involved in cult stuff, except for rare occasions. The people of the cult weren't stupid; they knew the children were the future. But now, there are huge amounts of children being abused and killed via 'satanic cult' activity.

What I think happened was in the 40's-50's or so, the illuminati managed to get control of the various satanic cult sects, take them over and since then, the really hideous behavior is coming from their additions to cult 'activities'. The NWO bunch are unconstrained by any sense of guilt or shame, or any kind of karma (until 2012, that is), and hate humanity with a passion. We have made them look like fools and lamers for hundreds of thousands of years. Their egos are way too fragile to endure it, and it has turned them viciously mean.

And when I explore those vortex events around you, out in the racial unconscious, I see someone close to you creating these things to scare you and make you doubt yourself, and try to drive you back into the 'organized religion' fold. They obviously have ties to the NWO and in fairly high standing if they have such a high level of information and skill, but it isn't the NWO in general doing this to you. I would investigate relatives and/or friends who always try to dissuade you from exploring further, or who even subtly insinuate that you are wrong/foolish/wasting your time/etc for trying to do spiritual exploration beyond the 'approved' venues, like organized religion.

I am not sure if their intentions are meant to be bad; they may be concerned for you because where we are exploring is definitely off limits in the NWO's eyes. While I don't think the NWO really can do much to hurt us, this individual is afraid they might try, perhaps. *shrug* Just what I am seeing about that stuff for you.

So, no, the NWO doesn't control everything, much to their frustration, but they do try to get as much control as they can. We humans are waaaaay too slippery though. Ever tried to catch and hold one of those balloon-like water tube things? It keeps shifting and rolling and will almost jump right out of your hand, especially if you try to hold on to it tightly.


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MG is offline for a week she said but I think she would know, thus you speak of (?) with something you said in the last couple paragraphs.
But I shouldn't speak for her.

Originally posted by cindymars
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MG is offline for a week she said but I think she would know, thus you speak of (?) with something you said in the last couple paragraphs.
But I shouldn't speak for her.

Yes, I did notice that 'being gone' information a couple of posts back. But thank you muchly for the reminder.

I figured I would just post it now, and when Mr. Green got back, it would be here to be read since I too will be leaving for a week come Saturday.

And my hope would be, of course, that if there is someone messing with her, this info will be helpful in stopping the interference. It really is just about self protection and not buying into the fear, but perhaps the person will let up if asked? I really don't see it as meant to hurt her, just stop her.

Originally posted by DragonriderGal
not buying into the fear

Well said.

hi all.

I once had an astral travel dream where I saw the very strangest ufo thing.

I stood near a few ladies. ladies dressed in white robes and these ladies looked just like, "your grandmother in one of her best moods"!
[ordinary souls in the afterlife realms]
then the leader told everyone to get ready to go to visit the material earth plane. she told everyone to put on the Suits to protect them from the radiation of the earth's negative vibes.
there was a locker where the suits were and each put one on, me too.
suddenly as each person puts on a suit, they each suddenly become the standard "Grey's", the aliens about three feet high, right out of any abductees book.

then one lady holds out an object like of a remote or cell phone and she presses a button on on and this object Unfolds, unfolds in to a UFO! a ufo that surrounds them!! complete with operating table and all!

i awake.

my theory.
that these souls are ordinary "your grandmother" maybe earth souls, but they use technology that comes from the heavens of other races in the galaxy! every planet in the universe has a after life plane system and on the high levels there is massive sharings.
the ladies needed to be protected from earth vibes and thus this is what the suits and the ship is for!

this obe *really* has altered, for me, what a ufo IS!!

freestone

wow, i was going to reply MG but after reading this thread i have decided it would end up being counter productive to the issue at hand, so, i'll just offer a little advice or maybe my opinion about what is contained in this thread.

i hope you do not mind!

i have to say though some of the things that people post as "true (insert cult of choice here)" is really quite amusing and troubling at the same time.

i mean no disrespect to anyone and would never look down at someones world view as if mine were superior.
that said, i wish people would seek to validate "truth" for themselves instead of relying on what some other religion's (or cult) view of anything regarding the subtle bodies and the planes which they resonate with.

if someone is searching look inward for the answer. seeking a truth "outside" of yourself will usually disappoint (unless your looking for organized religion and any "answer" it may provide). the spark of the divine that resides in us all is available to learn from. it would be a mistake to let it remain untapped.

there is nothing that you can do to me that i will not simply deny.
believe it, and it is so.
despair, doubt, and fear will seriously inhibit a poet and his/her growth. remember that the best way to speak with the subconscious is through the use of symbols (just be sure to listen and interpret correctly when it speaks back).

cheers,
AA

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And when I explore those vortex events around you, out in the racial unconscious, I see someone close to you creating these things to scare you and make you doubt yourself, and try to drive you back into the 'organized religion' fold. They obviously have ties to the NWO and in fairly high standing if they have such a high level of information and skill, but it isn't the NWO in general doing this to you. I would investigate relatives and/or friends who always try to dissuade you from exploring further, or who even subtly insinuate that you are wrong/foolish/wasting your time/etc for trying to do spiritual exploration beyond the 'approved' venues, like organized religion.

You are a very talented lady it seems



Everything you have said is true. I did not realize the two were connected (the manipulation and the vortex) but I can see easily how they would be. fear is a massive control tool you are right and by manifesting these vortexs is a way of making me fear my path. I see how they could be designed to bring me away from my path back into someones elses through fear. There is someone who constantly trys/tryed to say I was wrong and held me back with fear. My fault for allowing it I know but these things happen. I was totally amazed when I read your post and still am!

When you look into the "racial unconscious", how do you do this? What do you see it sounds fascinating. I dont doubt your gifts at all and would love to know more about them/you. Do you see/sense this information as in a psychic way? Its OK if you dont want to post on thread about this , if not maybe U2U.

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by YourForever
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Yeah. It is mostly speculation but I do not think you would be left with bruises after a real abduction - and it's well known that astrals can inflict soft tissue injuries, usually while sleeping. When it comes to spirit and the paranormal I have one golden rule: never assume you know what something is. When you believe you reinforce the energy.

I think your right that astrals can actually inflict bruises. I know someone who was very badly bruised by some Dragon/Naga creature during an astral encounter. The Naga hit them in the chest and it made a massive bruise. Quite scary that they can do this.

Your golden rule is a good one, never assume you know what they are because as you say to believe them gives them energy.

well said (i missed this post the other day)!

astral encounters can and do cause bruising or other soft tissue injury. most important like you said is how they are fed. thought-forms, negativity, emotional distress, and a lack of clarity (of thought/mind) will cause the fastest growth for those that chose to feed on it.

to deny them with an unbending will is the quickest way to avoid them. if it's not part of my worldview, it can take NOTHING!

Originally posted by anonamousantichrist
astral encounters can and do cause bruising or other soft tissue injury. most important like you said is how they are fed. thought-forms, negativity, emotional distress, and a lack of clarity (of thought/mind) will cause the fastest growth for those that chose to feed on it.

to deny them with an unbending will is the quickest way to avoid them. if it's not part of my worldview, it can take NOTHING!

So it seems that these "Greys" are not Greys at all but an astral manifestation taking on the form of the real Greys in order to promote fear and energy, energy that they can then feed on. The astrals could in fact take on any form but use the form of the Grey because they know we/I fear it on some level.

My question is this, What do the REAL Greys think about this! How their image is being used astrally to generate fear. This is not helping the Greys cause one bit is it.

Dragonridergal mentioned the NWO may have something to do with this. I doubt the people I had got involved with have NWO connections but I guess you never really know any one do you! This does show you how meditation/spiritual paths should always be done alone. as soon as you start following anothers this sort of freaky astral stuff can happen, follow your own path and you will be safe.

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Is it possible that Greys could be physical beings, who's entire race has been "taken over" or possesed by Lower Dimensional Beings?

The Greys were a physical race, but as they evolved, progressed in life, they began experimenting with astrals, and eventually that lead to them being taken over almost in a parasite way by these Lower Astrals.

If this is true, this gives them a physical image, that almost anyone can imagine, since it is so simple. This makes it easy to imagine them, and manifest them.

It also might explain the fear people have with Greys, since if they are Lower Astral, fear is the first emotion you would feel to them.

Love&Light

Jacob

EDIT - After now reading your last post, this has already been mentioned. Damn.

[edit on 9/8/2009 by JacobNH]

Originally posted by JacobNH
reply to post by Mr Green

 

Is it possible that Greys could be physical beings, who's entire race has been "taken over" or possesed by Lower Dimensional Beings?

I think the true Greys definatly ARE physical beings, Im not sure I agree that their race was "taken over" by lower astrals, the truth is probably closer to the fact their IMAGE is being used by other entities to create fear and distrust in ETs.

I think the Greys have advanced beyond the point of allowing their race to be possessed but are unable to stop their image being used by other entities to possess/control races such as us.



EDIT

I asked earlier this

My question is this, What do the REAL Greys think about this! How their image is being used astrally to generate fear. This is not helping the Greys cause one bit is it.

Well according to this Roswell Grey hybrid ( who I believe to be genuine) the true Greys are not happy at all that their image is being used to promote fear and distrust in ETs. She is called Sanni and her message is a very important one. I would urge all to watch it, but only with a totally open mind otherwise its message will be lost. Try to watch it with no pre concieved ideas and when those little voices come into your head (saying this is stupid, this is crazy,come on get real....you know the voices, which are actually subtle mind manipulations that many are unaware of) shut those voices off and allow your self to really listen to what Sanni is saying. If you let her she will talk to your very being, if she does you will know she speaks the truth. She has the ability to connect on a very deep spiritual level but you must allow her to do this with a totally open heart.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 9-8-2009 by Mr Green]

Originally posted by Mr Green
You are a very talented lady it seems

Everything you have said is true. I did not realize the two were connected (the manipulation and the vortex) but I can see easily how they would be. fear is a massive control tool you are right and by manifesting these vortexs is a way of making me fear my path. I see how they could be designed to bring me away from my path back into someones elses through fear. There is someone who constantly trys/tryed to say I was wrong and held me back with fear. My fault for allowing it I know but these things happen. I was totally amazed when I read your post and still am!

Thanks for the validation! I always appreciate when someone shares that what I am seeing rings true for them. I Know what I see, of course and don't really doubt myself, but it never hurts to get that confirmed from an outside source! And well, we all learn by trial and error, I think. Now you know, and now you can buy out of what they are trying to do.

When you look into the "racial unconscious", how do you do this? What do you see it sounds fascinating. I dont doubt your gifts at all and would love to know more about them/you. Do you see/sense this information as in a psychic way? Its OK if you dont want to post on thread about this , if not maybe U2U.

I did a shaman journey 9-ish years ago, and the old indian fellow on the higher plane told me, just ask and they would give me answers for whatever question I had. And since then, this kind of information has been coming thru and either plays out like a little mini movie in my mind's eye or it kind of pops into my head in an 'aha' manner. But definitely this is more a psychic process than a mental one. If you have specific questions, feel free to U2U them to me.

Originally posted by Mr Green

I think the true Greys definatly ARE physical beings, Im not sure I agree that their race was "taken over" by lower astrals, the truth is probably closer to the fact their IMAGE is being used by other entities to create fear and distrust in ETs.

I think the Greys have advanced beyond the point of allowing their race to be possessed but are unable to stop their image being used by other entities to possess/control races such as us.

EDIT

I asked earlier this

My question is this, What do the REAL Greys think about this! How their image is being used astrally to generate fear. This is not helping the Greys cause one bit is it.

Well according to this Roswell Grey hybrid ( who I believe to be genuine) the true Greys are not happy at all that their image is being used to promote fear and distrust in ETs. She is called Sanni and her message is a very important one. I would urge all to watch it, but only with a totally open mind otherwise its message will be lost. Try to watch it with no pre concieved ideas and when those little voices come into your head (saying this is stupid, this is crazy,come on get real....you know the voices, which are actually subtle mind manipulations that many are unaware of) shut those voices off and allow your self to really listen to what Sanni is saying. If you let her she will talk to your very being, if she does you will know she speaks the truth. She has the ability to connect on a very deep spiritual level but you must allow her to do this with a totally open heart.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 9-8-2009 by Mr Green]

The greys are quite real; been here since the beginning of our sentience from what I see, since they in essence lifted us up into sentience so they could use the human bodies to store their little grey spirits in, while they worked out their 'going extinct' problem.

So the gal who says she is a hybrid, well, it could be, but what I think is going on is that she was a grey in her most recent past life, and the memories of being grey were brought thru by that 'father' grey. If our ability to remember past lives wasn't so damped down, we would all remember the loved ones around us as people we have known thru many lives. I'm guessing, since the greys are the ones who put that dampening in place, they can just as easily lift it if they catch the fertilized egg early enough.

The greys do have the ability to use energy to do cloning/genetic manipulation at very advanced level, but to create a human/grey hybrid; that might be pushing it even for the greys, since they are plant in origin, versus mammal. I don't know how one could combine such diverse types of systems.

And they are soooooo not happy with the NWO villain-izing them. They are very tender souls albeit a bit standoffish, but purely xenophobia-based, not out of any sense of superiority over us. If they weren't so xenophobic and didn't think the NWO would come after them with a vengeance (The NWO is currently pretty powerful and the greys never did figure out their 'going extinct' problem so their numbers have dwindled quite badly, leaving them pretty vulnerable), I am guessing they probably would have made contact with us by now.

And that is one of the main reasons why the NWO is villain-izing them, I think, so that they won't dare contact us because we will all freak out and try to kill them, as frightened humans are wont to do. Plus they can point the finger at the 'greys' as the bad guys so we won't be looking at the NWO bunch as the true villians.

And possession by 'lower astrals' really isn't that big a problem. Those types of entities are from the demon world/dimension and there really aren't that many of them over here. Oh sure, the NWO sics them on the occasional person to reinforce the fear of hell and having to be a devote 'fill in religion here' to be safe 'from' them, but it does take effort on the part of the demon entity to infiltrate the human body, and given a choice, I don't think they would find it worth the effort. They get fed very well just by scaring the doo-doo out of us, so why go to all the trouble to 'possess' someone?

Mostly the trouble with demons is that they are, like all other alien species, telepathic, and can project thoughts into the minds of us gullible, disbelieving and unprotected humans. So that is the main way they interfere with us.

home.tiscali.nl...

Such beings, as the Grays, Reptilians and Andromedans, who take so much of my chi, have become stuck in a parallel thought-form of the human species in which hoarding and great poverty are a part of their life experience. And they themselves as such a species or solar system are so depleted of chi that they must take chi from another place in order to survive causing it to fall significantly in frequency. In so doing, they have exacerbated the fall of Earth.

In order for such species to move out of their current dilemma, they must ascend and anchor soul within their forms, which will provide them with the chi necessary to be sustained. They are indeed soulless, and as such, there is no presence of I Am, Source, Oversoul or God Goddess All That Is to provide them with the life-force that they need. Perhaps in not receiving that which they need, they will begin to look within and find their path home.

Another theory...but a conceivable and plausible one.

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et's do not crash a craft just by eyeing their companion . so she wanted to take a look at the other et? sorta day dreaming et ? sunday driver?

I do not believe that . the rosewell craft came down due to our military's messing with them with , causing the 2 craft to collide.

I cannot waste my time trying to go over ever detail , bottom line is all et's are good . Read our newspapers we are the ones who need to wake up. Same goes with the people who control the media . Again, white ops needs to come in and clean house or we are doomed.

Good Day

Originally posted by timfix
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et's do not crash a craft just by eyeing their companion . so she wanted to take a look at the other et? sorta day dreaming et ? sunday driver?

I do not believe that . the rosewell craft came down due to our military's messing with them with , causing the 2 craft to collide.

I cannot waste my time trying to go over ever detail , bottom line is all et's are good . Read our newspapers we are the ones who need to wake up. Same goes with the people who control the media . Again, white ops needs to come in and clean house or we are doomed.

Good Day

Hello

You make a very good point. NO ET would crash a craft just due to a glance at a co pilot.

Recently I have seen that another part of your post is correct and that is this statement that may shock a few...

All ETs are good. Im still coming to terms with this (as I have suffered great manipulation at the hands of so called reptiles, but these are not real aliens at all, they are as this thread states ..many aliens are NOT aliens at all) but yes your right ALL ETs are good and it is a man made "them" and "us" scenario that has been set up to cause division.

ALL ETs are good just as ALL mankind is good, we just need to wake up to this fact.

Thank you for your post.

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That is a crock, not all of anything is good. IMO
This is a dualistic universe.

Edited to add: I should have replied to timfix.
Also timfix, please don't waste your time.

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