The Dark Side of "Conspiracy Theory"

skyfloating.
Your thread gives a good explanation of conspirasies.
Even if they are 70% false, it airs views of interest to many. This still leaves us with a possibilty of 30% of truth. I applaud you for bringing this up as a subject.
Also i value your opinions.
Because we as a baby ( a very young pensioner) learn from all external sources, we make judgements on things which may not be correct.
How can we always know if something is correct? because our research can be limited, and so our decisions could become wrong.

I liked your description of 2 different sides to the same arguement.
The people who send you to war to kill others, praise you as a hero, and yet the same crime on home turf, you are a murderer.

This is the backbone of ATS to seek for truth and expose lies.
The people of the world are organised (controlled)into one form or another ,possibly with the aid of religions. Greed seems to be the basis in all, even in small ways, in bigger ways at higher levels.

we seek for happiness, and tend to follow authority to find it, most of the time we look in the wrong direction, due to ignorance, but the information received is not always correct, so now we are back to ATS, the reason why we are here in the first place.
We are searching for utopia now whereas it is planned for the future, and we don,t wanna wait.

interesting thread, sky. i agree with some of it, disagree with other parts, and don't know what to think on other parts. life as usual btw, who was the person you know that icke says is a reptilian?

Originally posted by Threadfall


Why don't I get starred and flagged like this when making up percentages and ratios without any evidence or support like you do?!?!?!

Here's an exercise in favor of your mental health:

Go click on the "Prophecies" Forum and look at the last 100 predictions. How many of them came true?

Originally posted by comfortablynumb
I'm nearing my 30's and it has an impact on me. I've become a lot more dissociated with society recently from reading this

When you walk around thinking everyone who does not have the "brilliant" insights are stupid morons, sheeple, ignorant, you dissociate as a consequence.

Narcissism is no path to truth and never will be.

Originally posted by FIFIGI
If your thought (which is information) is more important to you than your love, you are spiraling down.

You spiral up (and everyone around you) as you gravitate towards love.

This is probably the only 100% true statement of the entire thread.

Originally posted by undo
btw, who was the person you know that icke says is a reptilian?

I wont provide names of private people here. Never have, never will. The witchhunt mentality of CT-folk forbids it.

Come to think of it, if some of these supposed "elite" addresses were known, they`d be killed by an angry mob within minutes.

So if the government is so damn evil,

why do you have food to eat?

why do you have shelter?

why do you have internet-access?

why do you have the freedom to write anything you want here?

why do you have clothes?

why do you survive an average of 100 years?


There are plenty of countries in which these things are no given.

where are you getting your statistical data from? Have you actually conducted polls? Or are you pulling "70%" and "50%" out of the air?

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Please excuse the praise but.... Excellent and cutting to the bone of the matter as I have come to expect from any skyfloating post. And if you did compile a list I am sure you would find more than half the board up in arms against you *if you don't already with this one

*. I would like to see the list if you ever make it. To compare notes so to speak.

I blame popular culture - AKA - Hollywood.

We have grown up on a diet of the impossible made possible - the unimagined, imaginable. So much so that the border between reality and creative imagination via the popular media, has become indiscernible to many.

For anyone who has worked in government, incompetentcy is prevalent at all levels: the Jason Bourne's of the world come from fictional writers, not the NSA or similar agencies.

History has shown that governments are embarrisingly incapable of keeping secrets in-house: Watergate; Iran-Contra; Al-Qaeda Hit squads, etc....

Nothing stays secret for too long. Let alone high-level conspiracies - if they have ever existed at all.

Originally posted by infinityzero
This genre does have it's downsides and many can tend to become irrationally and/or detrimentally "passionate" in certain areas.... but, that just illustrates the importance, impact, and necessity of this "movement" more than anything else. Nothing is perfect and all you can really measure any movement by is the intent of the participants and what it ultimately produces. Anything is only as good as the fruit that it bears.... simple but, absolutely true.
[edit on 26-7-2009 by infinityzero]

S to you. I couldn't agree more and you know what...we do need conspiracy theorists to always question...even if it's to question our own theories. Maybe then our motto should be, "Question everything"?

[edit on 26-7-2009 by comfortablynumb]

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm sorry but much of your post is bunk. Where did you get the 75% number from? Why do you even come on here if you just think that conspiracy theorists just have mental problems? Why even be a moderator still?

Now I've only been on this forum for a short time, but my interpretation of that large paragraph was "blah, blah, blah, where did you get that percentage from?".

I think 75% of the time people can't handle the fact that people guesstimate figures when making statements and then ask and ask and ask and ask again and again and again stupid questions that have already been answered.

Oops, my bad...I'm not from the states but I hear calling something stupid these days turns things into a big debate

Really, _if_ you read what the OP was all about, it was essentially questioning if we're on the right path and not saying, "this is all BS why do we bother?", "The govt's right and we've been so wrong" or "I'm going to apologise to the govt today and maybe even join the CIA to become a disinfo agent".

Sheesh man get a grip and read what is being said instead of reacting to a gut feeling.

I'm sure this will ruffle a few more feathers:

Guardian Article on Conspiracy Advocates

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by comfortablynumb
I'm nearing my 30's and it has an impact on me. I've become a lot more dissociated with society recently from reading this

When you walk around thinking everyone who does not have the "brilliant" insights are stupid morons, sheeple, ignorant, you dissociate as a consequence.

Narcissism is no path to truth and never will be.

I'm sorry, I was agreeing with you. I meant that not only from this site, but all the sites I've been looking up and reading/watching news in general I felt (key word is felt not feel) that everyone had an agenda and everyone was lying or at least making stuff up and it got to the point that I couldn't begin to work out what was real and what was not.

Let me say that I've been into conspiracy theories for some years. I move in and out of the CT world and recently got caught up in it more so than I have before. Only a few weeks ago I began reading more and more like I did at the begining...let me say it never seemed as scary as it does today.

By me saying I dissociated from society was not because I thought it was all about me...well a little and perhaps a little of me walking around thinking, I know _all_ this info that these "sheeple" for want of a better word, don't know...but the thing that dissociated me the most was my not knowing what to believe. Thoughts like "What's right?!?!" or "I don't know anymore" raced through my head.

I know something is wrong or at least I feel something is wrong...but I have no proof, I have no grounds for this _gut_ feeling. I mean, in some respect, perhaps that's what a lot of us feel...this gut feeling something is wrong...only thing is...gut feelings can be wrong.

Thanks again mate.

The man clearly states his belief that 90% MIGHT NOT be true, then you go ahead and devote an entire essay to the fact that you feel he believes none are true..?

I think it's clear for all, if we're here each and every one believes in some form of conspiracies. But in any event, he stated figures, and even if his predicted percentages are slightly wrong, the remaining 10% of valid conspiracies are still a huge amount of wrongdoings. 1% would still suggest hundreds are valid, but that is not enough for some I guess.

All I can surmise for you intolerance towards the OP is that you crave maximum conspiracies regardless of whether they are indeed correct.

I say again, your post throughout attempts to claim the writer of the OP believes in none, when even a child could see by the figures before our very eyes that you are entirely incorrect, and quite frankly laughable.





[edit on 26/7/09 by Sed Non Credo]

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
To compare notes so to speak.

I think alone the act of looking at this discussion board for a few years you get a "sense" of what is good and what isn't.

ATS has featured some of the best Ive ever read and some of the worst.

Originally posted by comfortablynumb

By me saying I dissociated from society was not because I thought it was all about me...well a little and perhaps a little of me walking around thinking, I know _all_ this info that these "sheeple" for want of a better word, don't know...but the thing that dissociated me the most was my not knowing what to believe. Thoughts like "What's right?!?!" or "I don't know anymore" raced through my head.

No, you mistook my post. I was not calling you narcissisitic. I was applauding the fact that you talked about the dissociation certain worldviews cause.

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True. But other viewpoints are a good way of calibrating one's own. In my opinion at least.

reply to post by mckyle

Embrace a conspiracy theory and suddenly you're part of a gang sharing privileged information; your sense of power and dignity rises a smidgen and this troublesome world makes more sense, for a time. You've seen through the matrix! At last you're alive!

Good stuff.

Its the way I felt when I was 16 years old and read my first book on the "Illuminati".

I felt like I had entered a secret society of insiders who see the world as it really is.

Boy was I ever wrong.

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All I can say is that you're a brave man, particularly seeing as you're a Mod. Well handled so far mate.

Personally, I would have given into temptation way before now and spoke my mind of what I judge a few people as based on their comments. Good thought provoking thread, top man.