9/11 Lack of Roof Top Rescues.

There are several reasons. The rooftop observatory wasn't open for the day yet, and the door remained locked so suicide jumpers, climbers, and attention hogs would risk their lives unsupervised. Also, the helicopter rescues were discounted due to the poor visual conditions (smoke) and because the Port Authority/NYPD/FDNY took a great deal of heat after the rescues on the rooftop in 1993.

Originally posted by Seventh

Originally posted by defcon5

You do not have to land a helicopter to rescue people, also as is the norm rescue personal are extremely well trained, and let`s not forget when fireman managed to get as high as the 78th floor there were two isolated pockets of fire, that could be knocked down with two lines.


[edit on 16/07/2009 by Seventh]

But they were trying to keep aircraft AWAY from the building, and last I checked, to airlift someone, you need an aircraft to do the lifting.

Originally posted by Klemperer
There are several reasons. The rooftop observatory wasn't open for the day yet, and the door remained locked so suicide jumpers, climbers, and attention hogs would risk their lives unsupervised. Also, the helicopter rescues were discounted due to the poor visual conditions (smoke) and because the Port Authority/NYPD/FDNY took a great deal of heat after the rescues on the rooftop in 1993.

Did you actually read this...


"Try the roof! Try the roof!" Mr. Roach shouted back to them, "There's no way out!"

If he was referring to a roof escape, he was correct. The doors to the roof were locked. Outside, hovering just a few hundred feet away from hundreds of workers trapped above the inferno, were New York police-rescue helicopters. Crews from the Brooklyn headquarters of the police-aviation bureau had scrambled at the first radio call of an explosion at the trade center. Of the two choppers that arrived within five minutes of the plane crash, one was a Bell 412 equipped with a 250-foot hoist and capable of carrying as many as 10 survivors at a time. The three-man crew was specially trained for rooftop rescues.

As the police pilots swooped in and peered through a smoke-free area on top of the north tower, however, they saw no one to save. People were still alive on the top floors, according to the New York Fire Department. But Greg Semendinger, the first chopper pilot on the scene, says, "There was nobody on the roof."

The door remained locked, what actual part of this very simple and basic thread are you having trouble to understand?.

PEOPLE-WERE-DYING-BECAUSE-THE-DOOR-WAS-LOCKED-HELICOPTERS-HAD-MADE-IT-KNOWN-THEY-COULD-RESCUE-PEOPLE.

Get it yet?, or want me to break it down some more?.

reply to post by Seventh


You are assuming the mechanisms to unlock the door were still functioning. So, find the people on duty in the security areas and ask them if they tried to unlock the doors, THEN get back to us.

reply to post by Seventh


You seem to have a problem comprehending this - so will go over SLOWLY

WTCs roof were covered in antenna and other obstructions meaning had no place to land

Heavy smoke reduced visibility. Also turbulance produced by fires would
play havoc with helicopters making control extremely difficult

Also where would helicopters land - would have to create landing zone
to discharge people. There are few open areas to land a helicopter
SAFELY!

That is assuming

People could actually get into stairways - many were blocked with debris
(sheet rock panels dislodged) or the stairway doors were jammed tight
from impact when building violently twisted.

People could survive the climb - lethal smoke would rapidly fill stairways

People could get through security doors designed to keep authorized
people out.

Helicopters reported nobody on roof to rescue - so why risk landing under extreme conditions losing helicopter, crew and many bad situation even worse....

This has been gone over many times - use search function to review

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Seventh

 

You are assuming the mechanisms to unlock the door were still functioning. So, find the people on duty in the security areas and ask them if they tried to unlock the doors, THEN get back to us.

I asked them this is their response... `Falling debris from the initial impact roughly 70 storeys above us, damaged the door mechanism, we were holding it out of the window at the time, sorry`.

reply to post by thedman


Really am getting seriously bored with you debunkers and your blatant inability to read......

North Tower - People alive above the initial impact zone 1 hour 20 minutes after the initial impact = no toxic gases yes? we can agree on this, not dead after 80 minutes is a huge clue as to the absence of toxic gases, there were helicopters constantly looking for roof top survivors, but guess what, they could not make their way to the roofs because of locked doors, not because of toxic gases, nor smoke blinding them or causing safety problems, nor the inability to use the cradle they had, all was 100% okay for roof top rescues.

Completely irrelevant reply overlooking the one aspect that prevented roof top rescues in 5...4...3...2

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

You are assuming the mechanisms to unlock the door were still functioning. So, find the people on duty in the security areas and ask them if they tried to unlock the doors, THEN get back to us.

[color=gold]Your attack on Seventh is a joke…. Like they are going to tell anyone the truth as if they ever found the security officers that were working that day at the WTC. Get real!
The fact is this, we will never know if those doors on the WTC roofs tops were locked, or deliberately blocked.

Seventh, I hear and share the anger and frustration in your posts. You're inviting debunkers to a challenge, but in all fairness it does seem like you're making an assumption:

Originally posted by Seventh
"Try the roof! Try the roof!" Mr. Roach shouted back to them, "There's no way out!"

If he was referring to a roof escape, he was correct. The doors to the roof were locked.

If Mr Roach had got as far as the doors and found them locked, wouldn't he have shouted back to them, "The doors are locked!"

Saying there's "no way out" would more indicate to me that the passageway to the doors was blocked, which would be understandable given the circumstances that day.

Also, you say categorically that "The doors to the roof were locked." I don't doubt they were locked for safety purposes, but we really don't know what damage was sustained that day to enable the unlocking of the doors.

I don't believe the official 9/11 story for one minute, but I do believe there will be a new investigation and that people are still dying from the effects of 9/11 and I think that's where we should be concentrating our thoughts and "positive" energy.

Great big steaming piles of obfuscation.

They had nearly an hour and a half. They could have had a dozen large coast guard helicopters there with baskets and winches not to mention the rest of the helicopter rescue resources in the vicinity of New York.

For gods sake, how many people are within a short flight of Manhattan?
How many towns, cities, burgs, townships, states, counties? Most of them have rescue resources and NOBODY could do some rappeling with tools?

Lies. Lies. Lies.

There are very few fire and rescue workers on this planet who will look at a door and say "Well, we know there are victims in the building BUT,
I don't see anybody. Fuggedaboutit."

Firemen and rescue workers don't think or act that way.

Things like 'obstructions' on roof tops (the size of city blocks) can be dealt with.

The locked doors at the top of the building wouldn't have stopped a fireman with a few tools.

I don't necessarily believe it was a 'conspiracy' intended to keep the people on the top floor quiet. I believe it was some gutless bureaucrat who made a decision to be on the safe side so he didn't have to answer for it if a rescue worker got hurt or somebody wanted to call him on the carpet for going against 'policy'.

posted by Seventh

. . . . . . . at least one of the helicopter rescue crew asked `Why are people jumping to their deaths, and not trying to get to the roof top, where we can save them`. What do you believe the reply to that question was?.

The reply would be because we have the rooftop door locked so nobody can jump off the roof. We prefer that they jump off through the aircraft impact and exit holes.

I don't really believe that anybody jumped off the towers. It is much more likely that explosive pressure blew them off their precarious perches in the impact holes. They likely knew that help was on the way and that the fires were dying down. Just like the firemen and their supervisors knew the fires were dying down. No problem. Wait til we get rescued.

Meet Edna Centron

Firemen heading up to fight the dying fires and rescue more people were not worried about the towers coming down. Edna Cintron bravely hanging on in the alleged Flight 11 impact hole and waving, probably believed she would be rescued soon. The structural steel at the center of the impact area where all the fuel in the aircraft tanks would have been concentrated, had cooled off enough that she could hang on to it with her bare hands.



Neither the trapped people nor the firemen would have realized the towers would be deliberately destroyed, until the demolition explosives either killed them or blew them off the tower. And we can see that Edna was not alone up there on the 94th floor.

Google Video Link

But nobody in the towers knew somebody was going to deliberately destroy them.

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[edit on 7/25/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by badgerprints


One problem - all the rescuers were 110 floors below on the street
with no means to reach the impact floors except to walk as the
elevators were wrecked.

Also gathering a large force of helicopters takes time which did not have

Still have problem with landing on roof full of obstructions in heavy smoke
without crashing.

If commanders thought this was fesible would have sent a squad of
Emergency Service Unit (ESU) who are equipped for rescue with necessary
tools and SCBA (Self Contained Breathing Apparatus) to the roof to breech
door and begin search

Again time is against you - even if could round up 10 survivors a trip
would still require dozens of trips for which there was no time

You seem to think can simply snap fingers and things happen by magic....

I would like to appeal to a moderator to please close this thread, and all new 9/11 topics that have already been discussed over and over again.

There are MANY existing threads where rooftop rescue has been discussed; why do we need a new thread?

reply to post by thedman


Actually, that's precisely what the coast guard does. They stand by on shifts for emergencies. They even have patrols right there on the coast. There are helicopters based right near there.

So do the rescue personell that you mention.

Unless otherwise directed, most big cities have 24 hour manning of emergency facilities and quick reaction is part of their job. NYC is the biggest one in the US.

An hour and a half is not a snap of the fingers by the way.

Once again. A fair percentage of the nations occupants and thereby the emergency resources for those occupants is right there in the vicinity of New York City.

It's not as if this were a stranded hiker on some mountain in Colorado or a train wreck in the middle of Kansas. This is downtown Manhattan.

The resources were available wether anybody will admit it or not.

The will to do the job wasn't.


[edit on 25-7-2009 by badgerprints]