Crop Circle - New one is a beauty! 24th July 2009

reply to post by jfj123


Actually I was talking about gravity and warp engines, not crop circles.

None the less. Crop circles seem to be simply random print outs froma computer pattern creator.

I can draw random circle designs and people would find things alien from it I'm sure.

I have a question, but first. I'm pretty new to this so... yeah.

But has anyone ever considered the possibility that the imprints of these things could have been from an actual ship... and maybe that's what the bottom of it is... the shape of the bottom of the ship. This one doesn't look like it... more like art. But it seems very likely for others i've seen.

Originally posted by Gorman91
None the less. Crop circles seem to be simply random print outs froma computer pattern creator.

I beg to disagree.

reply to post by Gorman91


OK....so you print it out from a computer....

THEN WHAT?

The issue with crop circles is how they actually get within the crops -- not whether or not the design can be constructed on a computer.

reply to post by afoolbyanyothername


Thank you so much for your reply. This is exactly the type of thing I was looking for. I have been begging people to stop focusing on the WHO and the WHY and simply figure out HOW.

I'm re-reading your reply. Is it OK if I ask you a few follow-up questions? Also, did you catch the thread about "Microwave beams raining from the sky?" (that may not be the exact title). If not, please read it if you have time as it may be related.

Thanks again!

reply to post by DGFenrir


Making up BS? They, at circlemakers.org, don't claim it's a phenomena at all. They come out and say THEY make them -- as I said in my post.

From THEIR site:

This site is designed and maintained by artist and circlemaker John Lundberg [pictured right].

Welcome to the 'circlemakers' website. Within this site you will find a wealth of information by and about England's crop circlemakers. You'll be able to learn how to become a circlemaker using our easy to follow 'Beginners Guide'. Read about the history of circlemaking, 'hear' a circle being made and learn about some of the weird experiences the circlemakers have encountered whilst out making formations and gain some insight into 'why' this tight band of individuals spend their summers out in the fields of England flattening cereal crops in various intricate patterns! There's loads of stuff hear, so stop loitering and explore the site. Don't forget to send us your thoughts before you leave... see you in the fields.
Photo Courtesy: John Robertson
Link: www.circlemakers.org...

In fact, they outright mock anyone that THINKS it's anyone but them (and their known associates):

"The nocturnal pastime of circle making was made popular by the work of two Hampshire-based artists, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley. For over 12 years their simple circle sets attracted the interest of scientists world-wide. During this time other artists began

e them, eventually superseding them, and continued a chain reaction - mutating from the UFO lore from which it still suckles and, in turn, nourishes - to become what is arguably the most mysterious 'tactile- paranormal' phenomenon this century. In 1991, Doug & Dave's claim to original authorship created an atmosphere well known to theological sociologists; that discomfirmation can lead to strengthened belief. Consistent with previous millennial activity, the religious use of pseudo science to plot our destiny has reached another high... the circles have become signs and portents of our time." *

So, please tell me how what I said that BS. I find that to be a rather unnecessary (and untrue) personal attack. Please let me know exactly what I said in that post that was BS.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by lpowell0627]

reply to post by DGFenrir


Did it ever occur to you, for five seconds, that the camera saw nothing because there was nothing to see????

Edit to add: you guys keep going on about these extremely clever and covert circlemakers, unable to get caught in the act, or arrested, able to hide from cameras, hide from military copters overhead, make circles without lights, drag boards, iron particles, etc out into the fields, etc.

It seems to me the most logical answer is:

They don't make them from within the field. People are making them remotely.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by lpowell0627]

Originally posted by plainmike
reply to post by redwoodjedi

 

what i dont get is how the artists manage to make these images so perfect when in some cases the ground supporting the crop used to make the formation in is sloped, curved, or otherwise irregular? if it happens SOON enough, it would be a shock to have about 50 or more of them appear all on the some date...would that lend to or detract from the current mistery. if the artisans are other than human, they certainly have an understanding of our appretiation for varios forms of art, but seem to want to leave it a mystery for some reason...what could that reason be?

How do you know they're so perfect?
Also keeping a circle looking straight when the ground slopes is easy. Just use a line level. Of course there are many other ways but that is the easiest and cheapest.

Keep in mind that you're seeing the circles from far away and distance hides imperfections.

reply to post by jfj123


More to the point who would plant wheat anywhere but on tilled ground which tends to level it out. You should have mentioned this for him as for imperfections isn't it funny how they assume because there are imperfections that it must be man made. This is completely opposite of logic if you think about it.Being flawless usually means it is man made.Look at diamonds the only way to tell a cubic Zirconium from a diamond is the diamond will have flaws!

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by jfj123

 

Yes, but graffittiis not ususally done in wide open areas with cops circling overhead watching.

1. Please show me one crop circle that was made out in the open with cops circling overhead watching the crop circle being made.
2. You haven't been to a city lately have you?

That is my point: why, once the cops began heavily surveying the area, wouldn't they move to another location?

Because eventually the cops go away and if it's a good area, they go back to work.

Why wouldn't they skip a few days, after someone was shot at, until the area "cooled down a bit", and then continue.

Well wait a minute. You agree that people are making crop circles, you just don't know what their motivation is for it.
You said, "Why wouldn't they skip a few days, after someone was shot at,".
I notice you said some one and not some thing. Good for you for using common sense and knowing that people are making the crop circles.

This too me seems like rather large risk with very little reward.

So is speeding.
So is street racing.
So is snow skiing.
So is surfing.
So is....well you get the idea.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by jfj123

 

You paint in your house. Or outside. On canvas or on paper. If you stood outside of your home, at night, and painted 3 -4 nights a week all within the same area -- I can bet you your neighbors or passerbys would see you after just a few times.

I bet they wouldn't if I painted in...oh I don't know... say... A FIELD OF WHEAT !

Again, I would have to reiterate that circles have been going on for DECADES, and the fact that there are only 2 groups (3 names) that anyone can consistently name, is way too few for the number of circles that have been made.

So what? So we don't know every group or individual that makes crop circles? That doesn't mean that they weren't created by those unnamed groups. Let's use your logic.
Crimes are committed. Many people aren't caught. Those that aren't caught must be some mysterious force?

In order to avoid prosecution, and continue their art that you all claim is so important to them that they risk arrest, mega fines, and getting shot, why don't they:

-- continue miles and miles away -- where nobody would even be watching or expecting it

I don't know ask them.
Here's another example. I have a group of friends who would sneak into a ski resort at night after it closes and go sledding. Now this is obviously illegal and they've almost been caught more then a few times. So why do they keep going back to the same place? Well my buddy told me that they know the layout and since it's familiar, they can move around quicker to get the fun started. Get it now?

-- ever take a break? Don't these people go on vacation -- or take time off -- or do anything that would create a lapse in the circles. They continue at a rate of 2 -4 per week. That seems to be rather a large number.

I'm sure they do go on vacation but there are a lot of people doing this.

-- Why don't the newbies get caught?

Maybe they got lucky?
Maybe they have help from experienced people?
Maybe the farmers agreed to split the profits from the tours?

I can see arguing that circle makers that have been doing this for a long time at practiced at avoiding detection, but why wouldn't the ones just starting out get caught?

Some have. Also see above.

You don't do something perfectly the very first time out.

What do you mean by PERFECTLY?

And from what I've seen -- there are no makers being sloppy -- leaving anything behind -- leaving footprints for heaven's sake.

Try re-reading the thread.

Originally posted by dpmduran
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

To the gullible who believe all crop circles are man made, do you also think we are alone in the universe?

You're gullible if you actually believe aliens traveled light years to scribble in our wheat fields. Do you think that crop circles are actually alien graffiti ?

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

Look, you can go on about these circles being ET or man made until you're blue in the face and still not come up with a satisfactory explanation for how they're made and by whom and why.

Only if you're brain dead. There is overwhelming evidence that they
are man made.

Here's my explanation ...

Looking at crop circles simplistically, there may be a number of ways they MAY have been created but obviously the majority concensus appears to attribute them to either an alien agency or entirely man-made.

Now, here's an alternative explanation that simply needs us to do little more than some "outside of the box" lateral thinking.

We know for a fact that a certain major government has/is developing technology based on particle and/or energy and/or laser manipulation for shooting down missiles. (FACT)
We also know that said government also has space capable access e.g. ISS, shuttles, etc. (FACT)

Now put these two facts together and lets posit a very realistic scenario.

Let's say that some of this particle, etc technology has been installed on a space platform. This capability has existed for quite some time and is not flight of fancy or wild imagining ... it's orbiting above our collective heads this very moment. (FACT)

Not fact. Speculation.

So, this technology is deployed in space and one would tend to imagine that at some point in time there has to be tests conducted ... if only to guarantee that they can target ground based and airborne locations with complete and pinpoint accuracy.... after all, thats one of the selling points behind their design, the fact that collateral damage can be reduced significantly.

Please describe the capabilities of these Directed Energy Weapons you're referring to, in detail.

You don't simply conduct one test and say, "that's good enough for us" but rather you'd have a schedule of regular tests to conduct to maintain peak weapon performance.

Not really.

Also, one would assume that these space borne particle, etc based weaponary would be capable of having their power output controlled ... after all, you wouldn't use a sledge hammer to kill a fly if other less severe options were available to you !

Please provide evidence that this is even real.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by jfj123

 

Actually I was talking about gravity and warp engines, not crop circles.

None the less. Crop circles seem to be simply random print outs froma computer pattern creator.

I can draw random circle designs and people would find things alien from it I'm sure.

Well we both know you have no understanding of either gravity drive propulsion or warp drive propulsion so let's stop pretending, shall we? It's getting a bit tired

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by Pauligirl

 

I agree with you actually. I just don't understand how a brown glaze, shown to be melted iron, would be wrapped around a plant's node.

Iron melts at 2700 degrees F.

This is what the scientist described as the condition of the plants that were exposed this extreme heat:

One of the biggest contributions to the scientific study of crop
circles has come from the Michigan biophysicist W C Levengood,
who began investigating plants taken from circles in 1990. The
most curious anomalies he has studied are pinhead-sized holes in
plant nodes, the fibrous 'knuckle-like' protuberances found
along the stem. He calls these holes 'expulsion cavities'.
Levengood believes moisture inside the stems is heated rapidly
and turns to steam, in some places stretching the plant fibre,
and in others blowing a hole in the stem. 'It seems to be a
powerful microwave energy that is causing this; it heats from
the inside out. The interesting thing is, these holes occur in a
matter of microseconds.'

Link: www.virtuallystrange.net...

Does this answer the question about why the whole plant wasn't destroyed in the process?

I don't know that I would go by Levengood's work.
His study has been called into question.
You must have missed this couple of pages back.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To me crop circles are the imprints of the actual ships and not art. If they have all this great technology where they can travel vast distances why would they draw in fields? Couldn't they just rearrange the stars to send us a message? Or if these where to contact other aliens why not just send a message? Drawing a picture is much less advance. There is no way these are for signifying where to land, I mean they would have GPS or something!

People can find what an object looks or is shaped like just by putting the imprint into a computer and letting it make a 3D image, so why doesn't someone put all of these crop circles in to see if they can get a 3D picture off of them? Or atleast an image of the bottom of the ship to see if it would even be a practical ship.

I look at crop circles the same way I look at graffitotags, I don't know who or how or why they did it, but they sur have some awesome talent. Frankly, I would congratulate the people or whatever that made these things because these crop circles are truly an art form.

-Jimmy-

Its funny how crop circle investigators never have any crop physiologists,plant pathologists or even an anthologist look at there data. What do they do give it to a lab who knows nothing about wheat and they say thats strange because they have no idea whats normal.

Finding iron in a wheat Field not unusual at all its in fertilizer farmers use it to boost the iron content in there wheat. If people want to argue this isn't natural suggest you take the time to read about chelated iron it doesn't take heat to bind to plants.

Kill one more thing while I'm here have you ever heard of lodging? This is what its called when wheat is forced down do to wind rain or trampling. Guess what the same things happen to wheat that happen in crop circles such as elongated nodes( the plant attempts to recover from the damage it sustains.Exploded nodes really don't exist what happens is the wheat is damaged it increases its growth rate as most plants do when they are damaged which causes the node to fracture.

If you don't know whats normal in a wheat Field how do you expect to show this as proof of some unnatural phenomenon?

Hey don't know if it's been said but Linda Moulton Howe is in the UK right now with whittness and other info on C2C.

Should be good!

[edit on 31-7-2009 by azureskys]

Originally posted by amari
You are looking at an energy device that when rotated or spinning at a high velocity creates anti gravity and perpetual propulsion energy. The inside sphere is the energy source for the rotating magnetic field and outside the ring you have 12 rotating circular propulsion fluxtrons. The outward flow of the energy field is bending the 2 stabilizer horizontal lines within each fluxtron as you see the perpendicular dash looking concentrated energy charged field lines pushing outward towards them when rotating.

The significanse is the number of geometric in design energized staggered polarity stabilizers surrounding the inside sphere that contain corresponding number sets 3, 6 and 3. The polarity staggered stabilizers with the T design inside is one set of 3. The 3 vertices in each of the 6 isosceles triangle shapes concentrate the polarized energy field as the stabilizers rotate. The set of 3 polarity stabilizers contains the geometric designs that offset the plus and minus polarity. The other rotating spheres all play a part in the polarity shifting, balancing and charging of the complete propulsion energy device.

This my friends I believe is the schematic diagram in the form of a crop circle of how the anti-gravity disc shaped space craft propulsion system functions. ^Y^


[edit on 24-7-2009 by amari]

I like this explanation a lot!

Makes sense even if i'm not really into propulsion systems