Obama is rapidly turning this country into a totalitarian regime

He knows he only has 4 years.

You have to screw things up pretty fast on that timetable.

reply to post by marg6043


Marg, there was no privatization of the military under the Bush administration, and if you are talking about Blackwater, it was funded back in 1997, not during Bush administration.

What president Obama has been referring to is to have his own personal military force. Which would include young adults starting from 18-25 years old or so, who according to Emmanuel Rahm ALL such Americans will have to do at least 3 months military training.

Blackwater being contracted for Iraq, or even for Katrina was a bad idea, now imagine more of such people, and more so after being indoctrinated into the party line as H.R. 1388 states.

As for the member claiming that "our gun rights won't be taken away", you have got to be kidding.

BTW Emmanuel Rahm has stated if you are a "possible terrorist" you shouldn't have guns, and the DHS report by Janet Napolitano names most Americans as "possible terrorists"....

Democrats have turned into the worst gun grabbers in U.S. history, and President Obama has surrounded himself with anti-gun activists.

Democrats USED to be pro gun rights, such as former Democrat Senator Hubert Humphrey who stated.

"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but historically has proven to always be possible."

Here is a video which shows some of the anti-gun laws which Democrats have been passing, and/or trying to pass in recent years.

www.youtube.com...






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One more thing I forgot to state. Government buildings have always been guarded by private security guards. This has nothing to do with the Bush administration either.

Let's also not forget that GM is now nationalized, the government owns 60% + of it, and Canada owns also a percentage of it, so by definition such places which are owned by the U.S. government will also be guarded by this Obama civilian militia?

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[edit on 24-7-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I read it as Obama fronting for an existing totalitarian regime.

Obama the latest in a long line of US presidential puppets.

But don't worry, all national leaders fall in the same category

If he's doing this and all the stuff the internet is flooded with then I have only one question. For who? He won't be staying in office forever.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Man. Paranoid fantasies must be fun, people keep having them.

You honestly prefer that the government waste billions on sweetheart deals to "private contractors" who, at least in the previous administration were usually held above the law?

Forgive me if I think the government using unaccountable "private security forces" is a little more disturbing than using our men and women in uniform to guard military bases.

I agree man. Day after day I read more and more about Obama that I can't stand. Screw Obama. I didnt vote for him and neither did anyone I know. He isnt my pres. Damn liberals!!!

And this has nothing to do with being afraid of a black president... I'm black myself! A LOT of black people DO NOT support Obama, I just want to make that clear.

Who the hell ACTUALLY voted for this guy? No one I know. I guess it was confused black people who voted just cause he was black and young white people who thought hed eb any diff than any other politician, just cause hes black. He isnt any diff. AT ALL.

Impeach this man!

(and dont assume I supported McCain, I supported NONE of them)



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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


It seems to me that we have all these things already. National Security force? Well isn't that militaries primary job when they aren't bombing schools and hospitals in the middle east?

National police force? Don't we also have this? The FBI..

Hmm why would Obama need more?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Forgive me if I think the government using unaccountable "private security forces" is a little more disturbing than using our men and women in uniform to guard military bases.

Right on!

I find it pathetic when people scream "totalitarian" when Obama wants to use military guards to protect guess what, military installations. How ominous. OMG.


In addition to being unaccountable, private firms are easier infiltrated by would-be terrorists than the military, is that clear or not?

You are that desperate to bash Obama and grasping straws.

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


I can honestly say I voted for Obama. I don't regret it either. But I don't support Obama... Main reason I voted? I was voting mainly on local measures. As for presidency, I was mindful of the fact that Obama or McCain, not a thing would change. So I just went with the guy that I thought would cause the least ammount of riots when elected.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

I can honestly say I voted for Obama. I don't regret it either. But I don't support Obama... Main reason I voted? I was voting mainly on local measures. As for presidency, I was mindful of the fact that Obama or McCain, not a thing would change. So I just went with the guy that I thought would cause the least ammount of riots when elected.

lol so true. I was gonna do this too and pull for Obama but I decided the none of the above chuck baldwin vote would send a better message.

i still think Obama was a better choice then McCain but i hate the guy so bad you have no idea.



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Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

I can honestly say I voted for Obama. I don't regret it either. But I don't support Obama... Main reason I voted? I was voting mainly on local measures. As for presidency, I was mindful of the fact that Obama or McCain, not a thing would change. So I just went with the guy that I thought would cause the least ammount of riots when elected.

I totally understand where you are coming from with that. Thats probably why some voted for him. I was just saying its obvious some just voted for him because he was black. Which is stupid, imo.

Heck I would throw out there a good 10% of people voted for Obama only because McCain was worse. I couldnt imagine his old arse waking up to answer a phone 3am. Let alone the stress of it all. The presidency would of been too much for him
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reply to post by jeasahtheseer


Yeah I totally agree with you. People vote for stupid reasons, all thanks to TV. If he looks good, gives good speeches then it's good enough for the masses.

I'd like to say that there's always a chance we can get an honest president.. But that seems almost impossible. I don't honestly believe that who we vote for matters, because the bankers have already decided who the candidates are.

Maybe a totalitarian dictatorship is what America needs for a few years. I think we should just give the guy some time to see where he's going with this.

Think of it...Dissent brutally suppressed, Rapid transformation of Health Care and Social Security, etc.. Maybe we can get the War in Afghanistan over as well. I figure if we hit Waziristan with a couple of nukes the Taliban will see just how compassionate Bush/Cheney really are.

I really hope they put the Media in line...moreso. It would be nice to know that those smiling faces watch their steps just like everyone else.

To be perfectly honest I don't think America is getting the full benefit of spending $600 Billion in national defense, but the same money in the hands of a Dictator would be a far more efficient use of the money.

It would be easier to defeat American street gangs and extremist groups and the Mexican drug lords, which flourish under this "Democracy". I bet the open air drug markets would close once they realize that the cops ain't coming to arrest you, but to blow your brains out all over the sidewalk.

The Greeks were right when they characterized this form of government as chaotic.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by cyberdude78

 

My husband that also works in the base and many other retire military personnel have raised complaints about how this wannabe goons are treating people on the gate.

They are on a power trip and no following military procedures.

Is a disgrace!!!!!!!!

I have to agree. I think there is a culture where we have security guards, store attendants, border patrol and so on, brought up on a diet of action movies and videogames involving the military. These security guys try and emulate the military without actually being trained as military. So they think that being in the army involves kicking butt and taking names, without learning discipline and respect. These guys are dangerous because their egos and immaturity interfere with their jobs. I would like to see all security trained to the same standard that the army has, not just security who are guarding government property.

reply to post by IDK88


I hope you aren't living in the US. if so, why on earth are you putting up with such misery when there are many other countries in the world that would better meet your needs. cuba is the closest and maybe best fit.

as for me, i hate the corruption we now suffer through but a dictator just makes that corruption easier with a criminal elite in control of all the purse strings and total lack of accountability. i want some rules but more freedom. some things can be provided by government but not enforcement of morality. if we could get corruption OUT of government, we would be better off, rather than validate government corruption with the kind of ruling elite that is now developing in washington dc.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


No I was talking about how Rumsfeld got away with making our bases now run by contracting business while our soldiers were send oversea.

If you go to any base in the states you will see that majority of the base personnel are contracting, he first cut the amount of government workers and increased the private contracting.

Now Obama is reversing that he is converting contracting jobs into government jobs in order to cut the private funding.

reply to post by Lazyninja


The problem is that they will never pass boot camp, most of this people are so out of shape is a shame to have them at the entrance of the military bases gates, I always admired the way the military looks in uniform.

But now standards are lax and grooming is not an issue with this private security.

I fail to understand why using contractors is a problem.

Right now, our Navy Captains can't park their own ships. They bring in civilians to bring their ships into dock.

Our senior Navy officers are not seamen. Like Army Generals, most are politicians in uniform, unskilled at the leadership and "doing" part, and can't even park their own damned boats.

Another reason contractors are used is because of skilled manpower. Lots of very skilled men get out of the military, and are perfectly willing to do the same jobs they did in the military, but for higher pay.

Besides. You don't have to deal with candy-ass Lieutentants trying to justify their existence.

If we had a draft and could pay soldiers next to nothing, as happened during the last draft, you can afford to have plenty of soldiers buffing floors, scrubbing dishes, guarding ammo bunkers, painting buildings and so on.

This is a volunteer Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, and they find that by eliminating some of the more sucky tasks, they have better retention.

Now if you really wanted a motivated, effective military, you put a $500 bounty on the head of every armed beligerent killed.

Guys would be motivated beyond belief.

Actually, not being able to participate in the spoils of war is a very, very recent development.

Thus, contractors.