pilot who spotted mile wide UFOs goes on TV

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Everybody around here hates on us skeptics, because we have a problem turning our brains off

Maybe the problem is that you think your brain is on when instead is off .
Click, click , c'mon you can make it!
Mmmhhh and i don't hate you at all.

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That sums it up!!!!

This is a good case!!!

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts
I don't know, maybe they have clearance from those in charge, after all? Or maybe they can do as they please with absolute impunity because of their infinitely superior technology and abilities.

I just don't get why anyone cares about UFOs? If they exist OK - If they don't OK. I couldn't care less myself, it doesn't add anything to my bank account or increase my standard of living.

I'm sure if they are stopping by it's more likely to refule on our global supply of water rather than some curiosity of the inhabitants of Earth.

Originally posted by SaraThustra
I just don't get why anyone cares about UFOs? If they exist OK - If they don't OK. I couldn't care less myself, it doesn't add anything to my bank account or increase my standard of living.

I'm sure if they are stopping by it's more likely to refule on our global supply of water rather than some curiosity of the inhabitants of Earth.

So what you're saying is, you're so disconnected with reality that you don't care about extraterrestrial contact with Earth and think it won't affect you in any way, especially upon disclosure?

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How is it that you don't seem to have an opinion to share regarding your own thread ?

What was your objective in posting:
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The airline in question is Aurigny airlines, if that has any significance to anybody here.Chartered 1968, so has been around a long time..longer than most, although it is a regional sevice.

Originally posted by SaraThustra
I just don't get why anyone cares about UFOs? If they exist OK - If they don't OK. I couldn't care less myself, it doesn't add anything to my bank account or increase my standard of living.

christ, have you ever thought about the world any further than your own life and your bank account? you know the world involves a lot more than just those 2 things right...

Who Is Skeptical Of The Skeptics?

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Dude, take a look around, lol. We, collectively, are the reason this subject is laughable. Everybody around here hates on us skeptics, because we have a problem turning our brains off in order to take seriously the majority of things posted around here, but we are the minority, so I have yet to figure out why they hate us, lol. They should look in the mirror.

Actually, I've noticed that there tends to be little animosity toward true skeptics on ATS. That is to say, members who suspend judgment unless given sufficient evidence to draw a logical conclusion.

On the other hand, "false skeptics" -- those who make unsubstantiated claims of their own in an attempt to disprove the claims of others (and are a dime a dozen on ATS, I might add) -- do indeed tend to irritate others with their behavior.

Why?

Because false skeptics tend to be nothing more than "true believers" whose underlying belief is that their own opinions and assumptions are somehow more credible than those of others, and present them as if, by generally being negative in nature, they are somehow intellectually superior points of view.

Consider the nature of your own arguments in this thread. You invoke common sense, reason and logic, and yet the substance of your "skepticism" is that this case doesn't conform to your own unproven assertions about UFOs, so you reject the account on that basis and attempt to defend your position by denigrating anyone who would disagree with you.

Where's the logic in that? You don't think it's true, so it's not true?

You advise others to look in the mirror. I suggest you do the same. If you truly value common sense, reason and logic, then apply them yourself. Suspend judgment in the absence of proof. Don't ignore the facts. Adopt true skepticism.

Do so, and I'm confident you'll find, as I have, that ATS is actually quite friendly to skeptics.

Real ones, anyway.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
The only problem I have with this (well, not the only problem, common sense, reason and logic dictate about 10 things off hand that need to be considered) if why on earth would you need a mile wide UFO in atmosphere?


There are many, many other reasons why I think anything related to a "mile wide ufo" is complete poppycock. Sure, some will come back telling me that how can I possibly assume the motivations and thought processes of an alien race, bla, bla. But I choose to believe that logic, reason and common sense are universal in nature, and a biological imperative to advance to the level of an intergalactic spare faring species.

Hate to cover "Old Ground", but


1.) the Pilot never said that the object was "a mile" anything. He merely said that it was large and visible from about 50 miles away.

To be able to distinguish the details he related (general shape, lack of protrusions, color, presence of a "graphite"-colored section "2/3rds of the way" on the object - a "fuselage" as he described it) the object would have to have been quite large.

I suggest we consult with those familiar with optics to get a sense of the possible size range by determining how large an object would have to be, at aproximately 50 miles, for an un-aided human eye to discern such information.



2.) It is a blatent assumption to imply that the object observed was a "mothership". As the member Thill aptly pointed out on page 2 of the thread, we have no way of knowing how large extraterrestrials, if they exist, might be. Life on earth ranges in size from the microscopic to the enourmous.

Some might argue that sentience requires a certain minimum brain size, using ourselves as the natural example; but that, too, is a mere assumption. Our visitors might require very large vessels because they are the size of, say, whales!

Nor do we have any grounds upon which to base the assumption that operating their craft within our atmosphere poses any risk to them. They made it here, a little atmosphere ain't gonna hurt them!



3.) there may, in fact, be a very logical reason for so obvious a display.

In a thread I started (oddly enough, almost a year ago to the day) called "Does Size Matter?", I wondered:

Does Size Matter?


Admittedly, it would be naive in the extreme, and potentially dangerous to boot, to assign human social characteristics to thoroughly non-human entities; however, lacking a viable alternative, I'm forced to submit the following as an example:



I believe that it can be successfully argued that no "first contact" between human cultures, resulting in long-term, peaceful, and mutually beneficial relations, has Ever followed from the more advanced civilization parking the technological equivelent of an "aicraft carrier" in the "home port" of the less advanced civilization.

Such an act has been, and most likely would be, interpeted as an act of dominent intent, if not out-right aggression.


Successful first contacts have generally been the result of small parties, primarily tasked with exploratory missions, making contact on a "one-to-one" basis, often furtively at first. Then, as the two cultures became more comfortable with each other, larger and more "formal" introductions were arranged, often culminating in exhibits of wealth and power as demostrations of "honoring" the other culture.


Throughout recorded history the appearance of UFO's has, I believe, generally been described on a very "human" scale: even what would have then been considered a large UFO would have been described as being "as big as a barn" or a "flying palace".

Most UFO's are described as being far mor modestly sized: the size of a car, "as wide as the road", "a few hundred feet long".


If the anecdotes are to be believed, and we now have the opinion of no less a cultural icon than a former Apollo astronaut (Dr. Edgar Mitchell) telling us that those anecdotes are likely true, Earth has been under the scrutiny of alien intelligence(s) for decades, if not millenia.


Could the recent, more frequent appearance of "The Really BIG Ships" be a signal that our "visitors" have changed how they intend to "contact" us?

One last thing I'd like to point out, and it is something Springer touched upon, that is: What can we learn from this sighting?


Why hasn't anybody on this thread yet commented on the fact that the shape of the object tells us something about its function!


Think people!

It's smooth, ovoid, lenticular. What does this tell us about the environment it's designed to operate in?


Why isn't a mongoose shaped like an elephant?

Why isn't a dolphin shaped like a man?

And remember, there is no Air in Space.



Here's a hint that should be familiar to Star Trek fans:


Think "Warp Bubble"!

Oh wait it must have been a CGI special effect. Eureka, that'll work!

Uhmm... Ok, people who fly planes are dumb and my common logic tells me not to believe a word that they or their dumb passengers say.

Or, how about we just imply this type of logic to all of these kinds of cases again and again and then see how many people actually take us seriously down the road!

All kidding aside now, the only thing that really amuses me with some of these armchair debunkers is the extent they will try and stretch their colorful logic in order to keep their little worlds small.

I'm waiting for the mass hallucination stop gap excuse to be forwarded next. How about you?

Alright, cool. Another sighting.

How about we get some solid evidence/confirmations now?

Originally posted by SaraThustra
I just don't get why anyone cares about UFOs? If they exist OK - If they don't OK. I couldn't care less myself, it doesn't add anything to my bank account or increase my standard of living.

Have you considered that among the benefits of disclosure would include access to free energy technologies? This means - zero power bills, zero fuel costs, zero $$$ for logistics and transportation - transforms the very foundation of the global economy paradigm - opens up opportunity for the oppressed third world nations. This technology has been kept secret since the days of Tesla, and the Roswell crash in 1947. We could all have been living like kings for 60+ years if it weren't for its continued suppression!

In short, you would be infinitely richer and your standard of living would be as grand as you wish it to be, no longer predetermined by your status in society via the global elite. This is why, they can and will not allow disclosure to occur. They want you to focus on your paycheck and be a slave to money. Money imprisons us all. Money is debt. We can potentially have a world with a completely different way of looking at things. That.. is why you should care about UFOs.

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Dear Mr. or Mrs. Skeptic

Who ever you may be, you need to go and look at this video again because as has been said by a few on here a commercial pilot will not be telling porky’s and if he came forward at all you really need to hear what he is saying.

In this case we have a report form 2 commercial pilots and 2 ground radars.

This is a smoking gun case.

So they are here and they are not ours.

Yes the authorities know all about them. Why because if they didn’t they would be climbing all over it.

The only real question is what do we do about it???

Before I type another word, let me first come clean; I am a true believer. Aliens have been amongst us for thousands of years, if they didn't put us here to begin with. They have been in our skies and in our media for as long as I can remember. They will continue to be so until we have full and complete disclosure. I, personally, believe that day is relatively close.

SO! Having said all that, allow me to take a step back and tell you what I see in all these threads.

Paradigm vs. paradigm.

Plan and simple.

Me vs. you.

Us vs. them.

Believer vs. non-believer.

It will remain so until we have the proverbial UFO landing on the White House lawn or President _____ escorting a Grey to the presidential podium to make an announcement that will echo throughout time.

Do I believe *every* UFO story I read? Clearly not. But at least I have the presence of mind to understand that not every UFO claim is going to be real. One of the problems I have with the skeptic community is that they seemingly, out-of-hand, dismiss every claim that crosses their desk, evidence be damned. This, in my opinion, is done especially when the case doesn't fit their own anti-ufo/alien paradigm.

Like many of you, I really hope that the day is coming where this entire back and forth arguement becomes moot.

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Dear Nyteskye

The thing is we need good skeptics they keep us real. However I think they are very brave as in this argument they can only lose. Where as the believer will simply say ok may be next year.

Hey it's was just a weather balloon! The size of Texas! "Retarded astronauts and giant spaceships This alien stuff just gets weirder and funnyier with every passing moment! Jezz I wish the governments would just put us out of our misery and tell us Yeh or Ney

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Dear MOTT the HOOPLE

I don’t think we need to hear the Yeh from them any more anyway don’t hold your breath.

The secret is kept for three very good reasons.

(1) Too protect them from the masses because when it is known they will be strung up.

(2) The truth can never be told because it is too treble to contemplate.

(3) They will lose the power not to speak of the money.

They ant never going to tell.

waznt this guy on ufo hunters with the same story???

Originally posted by jimmyx
so this pilot is lying...the other pilot is lying...the radar blip from the ground is lying, and the passengers in the plane are lying...but YOU know it's poppycock because logic and reason tells you it is. tell me, what is the motivation for all of these pilots here and in the past that have put these sightings into official reports....fame? money??...that's where my logic and reason kick in. why would they take on the ridicule of so many people like you. crackpots are not allowed to fly passenger aircraft.

Damn that was right on.


I don't know how anyone with a sensible mind actually thinks this pilot is lying. The pilot speaks intelligibly and with the precision of a well trained pilot and comes across as very believable. He's a 20 year veteran for crying out loud- probably knows the skies (and what's in them) a little better than most. I believe what he's saying. These are the kinds of guys that'll blow the lid off this whole thing...

What I found interesting was what he said in the beginning of the interview when asked why he came out with his story:

-he said that the "quite forward thinking" company he's a pilot for "actively encouraged" him to speak publicly about this incident. IN FACT, it was they're idea he speak out about it. Does anyone know what company he's a pilot with? I'm wondering if it's ole Sir Bronsons firm. Certainly they would be at the forefront of disclosure....

-and then the kicker at the end- that this is not the first object he's seen and that he didn't think it was from around here. This is after looking at it for 12 minutes thru binoculars at 10x magnification.