The end of "911 Conpiracy", and the beginning of "911 Common Knowledge"

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Oops, almost forgot the insurance thingie again.....

Baboo, you think there is something wrong with him insuring the complex and I am not sure why you think its out of the ordinary. Anytime you rent a building, you normally have to have insurance. Larry Silverstein was renting the WTC complex from the Port Authority, to do so, required some loans. No bank in its right mind is going to loan someone the money to rent an office complex WITHOUT requiring insurance to be purchased.


Side note to King, Silverstein did not purchase the buildings, he was renting them from the PA.

He wasn't renting them, he leased them, a 99-year lease. Plus, he doubled the insurance from what the PA had.

He also arranged for 184 million dollars OFF the price to raise his yearly rates. Interesting (and horrible) move for an investor in a 99-year lease.

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If you think for a second that Bin Laden isn't wanted by all US enforcement agencies you are kidding yourself. IOW he ain't getting off on some cockamamy technicallity.

Don’t kid yourself for one min that the FBI wanted OBL just as bad as the Military.
Stop making excuse for the FBI! Robert Muller the head of the FBI already said there was not enough proof that these alledge hijackers or terrorist pulled off 911, because there was not any paper trail leading to any countries.

Originally posted by Seventh

WoW indeed, do you mean the F.B.I list where “Mosear Caned” is removed and replaced with Hani Hanjour later in the day and 6 of the 19 declared themselves alive and well, yep OS evidence can well and truly be believed.

You truly need to check your facts. Here is an example of how wrong you are.

Alot of the confusion comes from the unfamiliarity of Middle Eastern Names, as well as confusion by our Mainstram Media ( the one you don't trust, until now I guess)

Here is a screen cap of preliminary terrorist SUSPECTS as reported by CNN


This information is incorrect. I will show you how. Notice the man named as Wail Alshehri in the above photo.

THIS man is not Wail Alshehri but Waleed A Alshehri . he was NEVER a HIJACKER and is still alive, he is also a pilot for Saudi Air.

Here is a photo of WaleedA Alshehri NOT A TERRORIST


So who is Wail Alshehri? He WAS a TERRORIST and DIED on 9/11/2001
He is brother to Waleed M Alshehri Pictured above and ALSO A TERRORIST also DIED on 9/11/2001.

Here are photos of the two TERRORIST brothers:
WAIL ALSHEHRI


WALEED M ALSHEHRI


See the resembalance?

It doesn't end there notice Abdul Aziz Alomari. That is NOT the TERRORIST Abdul Aiz Alomari, But an Alomari that lives in Colorado. He just happened to have a similar name, he IS still alive but NEVER a TERRORIST.

Here is the TERRORIST Abdul AZIZ ALOMARI or Abu al-Abbas al-Janoobi
He DIED on 9/11/2001:



Not the same guy as the first photo capture is it. How would we know which was truly the TERRORIST? Corraborating evidence.

Here is the TERRORIST ABDUL AZIZ ALOMARI from footage of his Martyrdom video where he basically lays out why he is planning on killing Americans:



Same dude.

Here is a photo taken from an ATM in Portland Maine on 9/10/2001 He is with MOHAMMED ATTA in this picture:



Here is the full video linking ABUL AZIZ ALOMARI, WAIL ALSHEHRI, and WALEED M ALSHEHRI with AL-QUEDA. It also connects several other 9/11 hijackers including their martyrdom videos where they freakin' admitt their plans of to doing harm to Americans.

vids.myspace.com...

Hope that helps you in your quest to DENY IGNORANCE














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WRONG! Where is your proof beside your insulting condescending remarks?
Stop with the “opinions” how about evidences eh?

Excuse me? What are you taking about? I am trying to show Seven where these web-rumors got their start, and why they are wrong.

Try looking at this objectively, logically.

I don't believe the OS.
I haven't taken the time to read though this thread in it's entirety so excuse me if this has already been covered but...

Think about what disclosure would mean to the credibility of the US as a nation, not that it could sink much deeper, but can you imagine what kind of backlash would be created around the world if the US government revealed the the facts?

...If the truth revealed that the so-called justification for waging war in Afghanistan & Iraq was a manufactured falsity?

Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
Excuse me? What are you taking about? I am trying to show Seven where these web-rumors got their start, and why they are wrong.

Try looking at this objectively, logically.

I am not in the mood to argue about imaginary people.

Perhaps you can just explain how World Trade Center 7 collapsed after experiencing 100% uniform failure across every section of the building. Despite the fact that only small sections were damaged.

Then provide one valid reason for not releasing anything more than 6 frames from one camera that would show what hit the Pentagon.

Then provide photographic or other proof that a 757 hit the Pentagon, including but not limited to, the impact damage from the 124 foot wingspan, the two engines and the vertical stabilizer.

Then please continue by providing proof that kerosene or any fire can melt steel. Then additionally prove that it can melt steel 80 floors below where it is actually burning.

Also provide a valid reason for the astounding amount of Nano Thermite that has been scientifically proven to be found in New York that day.

Please explain how a jet impact near the top of the building will result in molten metal in the basements of the building, able to hold their molten state for several weeks after the event.

Then I want you to explain how Terrorists in a Cave, were able to have Norad stand down on one day in history, luckily for them, the only day in history they attack with planes.

Then tell me why normal protocol was not followed by the Secret Service when the country was under direct attack. Bush sat in a publicly announced location like a sitting duck putting himself and the children in grave danger.

Then I want a reasonable explanation for every single lie that the administration told which has been PROVEN to be a lie due to contrary actions to their statements.



Your so quick to bounce around and ignore absolutely everything, then argue with people over semantics. Until you can satisfactorily answer every single question above I will not communicate with you, and I urge other people to not feed your trolling behavior either.

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All you have done is spout your loony opinions nothing more and you claim those are the facts where is your evidences.
I believe what the OP wanted is an understanding that we all know we have been LIED to or are you that gullible? As I said earlier Robert Muller said we may never know who the hijackers are, because they left no paper trail and yes, seven out of the nineteen of the alledge hijackers are alive. You just refuse to look at the facts and read the proof. Don’t expect me to agree with you I have spent years researching 911. I do not believe in the hologram theories, or space beams took down the WTC and I do not support 911 web sites that profit from 911 tragedies like selling 911 hats and T-shirts and the likes.

EIR has just finished analyzing some recently declassified doc's from the 911 commission report.

they implicate Saudi and British INtelligence as being behind the orchestratino and funding of the false flag attacks of Sept. 11. It also suggests complicity on behalf of top officials in the Bush Administration.

This is the most compelling HARD EVIDENCE to date, and is available in the National Archives.

It could easily lead to some real actions taken by the DoJ

Read about it here: larouchepac.com...

I don't believe the official story.

I find it odd if a plane did indeed hit the pentagon would the government be eager to prove that.One would think they would have been showing every bit of footage they got from all those cameras,instead all we have been given is some blurry video footage and some scrap metal said to be from AA77.Then we have Shanksville and that hole in the ground where another plane was supposedly crashed due to the actions of a few passengers and hijackers it looks to me that we actually shot them down.As for the commission consider who the main players are these guys were not picked because they were hard nosed investigators they were picked because they could be trusted not to rock the boat. You have a staff director who not only served in GWB's transition team he's also a close personal friend of the President's national security adviser and then ends up as the Secretary of State's personal attorney.

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Very well put together post King.

I completely agree with pretty much everything you have written.

Thing is, where do us 'ordinary' people go from here?
How can this be carried forwards?

It's been nearly a decade, and justice is still blind, even though the evidence of lies and deceit is patently obvious.

How can the people motivate the authorities, well the honest ones anyway, into moving ahead with a PROPER criminal investigation?

Nobody is above the law.
Nobody has a right to commit mass murder and treason against a sovereign country, EVEN if they are massively wealthy and influential, and organised. EVEN if the goal was to bring cheap energy to the US and UK via a proposed fuel pipeline through Afganistan. (this is possibly the catalyst that drove the treason ahead, research pipeline through Afganistan)

Surely the intelligence agencies and operatives in all countries involved, can't all be 'in on it'..there must be a large proportion of them that are confused as to why the officially released version of events is as full of holes as a swiss cheese.

There MUST be those in the security services that have been ORDERED to leave certain lines of enquiry alone. To stop looking in certain areas in order to cover the lie? There must be. Where are all of these 'clean' intelligence personnel, and why haven't they come forward?

All of the first responders that were murdered. All of those responders that survived and heard multiple explosions just before the three buildings fell into themselves, and reported as much to camera crews on the day. Where are they?

Why haven't they come forward en masse?
If not for the truth, if not to punish the murderous and the guilty, then for their friends and collegues who's lives were snuffed out on that day. Where is their outrage? Where is their fury at being told lies, when they were there and heard the multiple explosions for themselves?

What about once the buildings were down?
Why aren't the one's who were tasked to clear the debris screaming at the top of their lungs, that the steel support girders were cut at sharp angles, with now cooled molton steel having dripped from the cuts?

There are photos available that clearly show this. Perfectly 'true' cuts across the whole girder, which then had melted steel drip down the girder and cooled, looking like an ice cream cone melting in the hot sun?

Why aren't we seeing the honest people, told to shut up by their 'superiors', coming forwards?

Surely, a plot such as this would have had to be on a 'need to know' basis, so by definition, the majority of people in the services would have known nothing about it, so there must be a huge number of people in the police, fireservice, intelligence service(s), paramedics etc etc, that should be coming forwards with information?

Are all of these people afraid of what will happen to their careers if they talk? Are these relatively few treasonous conspirators, going to fire everyone if they talk or challenge the lies? Are they going to kill all of these people in the fire dept., the intelligence services, the police etc?

Rational thinking people, looking at the whole picture KNOW the official story is just that, a story, not the truth..but what good is knowing if we take the truth of things nowhere?

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Yeah, i can imagine what would happen.
The guilty would be identified and rounded up.
Court dates would ensue.

The guilty would be convicted and sentenced.

The world would breath a sigh of relief that ultimately the USA is not as completely corrupt as they had first thought. And there at least still remains decent people who live there who value truth and justice over money and oil.

That's what would happen. The USA would be restored to it's rightful place on the worlds stage as a good and true people, motivated by honesty, fairness and justice. The same goes for the UK too.

I'd much rather have the truth and guilty exposed, than worry about 'how it's going to look', but that's me.

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It's COMPLETELY rational to send the steel to China, as soon as humanly possible...if you want to get rid of incriminating evidence.

If they wanted to discover the facts, they would have gone over as much of the debis as possible with a fine toothed comb, foresically speaking.

They didn't want anyone finding the Thermite residues or the sharply defined angles on the steels that had obviously been chemically cut.

'They' were at least right about one thing...the steels WERE melted. However, they were not melted by burning jet fuel (impossible), they were not melted by burning office debis (impossible), they were melted, in a precise, measured cut, using chemical heat reactions of military grade thermite...

I don't know if anyone has realised but isn't this the kind of forum and subject in which disinformation agents would actually spout their usual rubbish?

It seems to have sparked allot of ATSers interest, just look how many Flags there are!

I'm not saying who but after reading the entire thread I have noticed some suspect posts...If not then just very ignorant.

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TBH i think it goes with the territory.

It goes without saying that the sheer size of ATS and it's huge membership across the world, would have the attention of 'security agencies' and their agents.

I have noticed it too, not just on this thread, but on many diverse subjects.

It wouldn't suprise me to learn there are full time agents, solely employed to read online communities and keep tabs. They often try to sabotage (quite often successfully) a thought, and idea or revelation, and subvert and divert attention away from the truth of the matter, or whatever direction they wish concensus to take.

It's the nature of an online, ingognito interface i'm afraid.

They would also have a ready supply of user names and accounts, with which to confuse matters further. A single disenting voice is one thing, and may cause enough consternation to divert the points being discussed, but four or five voices (from the same source), saying more or less the same thing, shot off like rounds from an automatic? That really derails things, as the gullible then jump on the band wagon and 'carry the hooky torch' for them.

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You are not thinking BIG enough!

You've done a lot of research into the who's who amongst these people, but have failed to consider one, very simple and very obvious thing that is not only possible, but probable...

These people were patsys.

They thought they were pulling one over on the US, were actively setup in their plans, and encouraged by the real planners of 9/11, then on the morning of 9/11 were taken out, while all the evidence of their plans displayed to show the world, and blame them and have an excuse to take Afganistan and build the pipeline, that will soon be built to provide cheap fuel to the West.

Just because people want to and plan to hurt the US, it in no way prevents the real criminals from using those people to pin the blame on does it!.

JFK?

Nazis and their '9/11'?

The list could go on.

I don't believe the official story.

As many others have already mentioned, there are too many holes in the official story.

The examples provided are enough to warrant further, unbiased, investigation.

Originally posted by Mark_Amy
Do you know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see a thread started by the debunkers called "Why the official story is true!" and I think only debunkers should be allowed to post in it. Although I don't believe the official story is true, I'm not that arrogant to have closed my mind to any other ideas than my own, however in opposition to my ideas they may be.

All we see here day after day is, "I'm right and you're wrong and you must be an idiot if you can't see that!" It just goes on and on and back and forth and gets nowhere.

I'd really like to read and follow a serious thread contributed to by people who believe that the official story is true because maybe we are missing something! Maybe they are seeing something, which we have closed our minds to and have become blind to. Maybe given the opportunity to exchange their ideas together, without having to go on the offense or defense, they may produce ideas that make us think, "You know, I never really thought about it that way before!"

After all, isn't that the kind of open-mindedness we ask of them?

This is a great idea. I don't think I've ever come across a thread that was started by debunkers. That would allow them to present their ideas and time lines as to what happened.

reply to post by impressme


If you think that the FBI posts everything on their website, you are wrong. If you think that Osama is not near the top of their list, then you really did not pay attention over the last 7 and a half years.

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Originally posted by Taxi-Driver

Originally posted by Seventh

WoW indeed, do you mean the F.B.I list where “Mosear Caned” is removed and replaced with Hani Hanjour later in the day and 6 of the 19 declared themselves alive and well, yep OS evidence can well and truly be believed.

You truly need to check your facts. Here is an example of how wrong you are.

Alot of the confusion comes from the unfamiliarity of Middle Eastern Names, as well as confusion by our Mainstram Media ( the one you don't trust, until now I guess)

Here is a screen cap of preliminary terrorist SUSPECTS as reported by CNN

This information is incorrect. I will show you how. Notice the man named as Wail Alshehri in the above photo.

THIS man is not Wail Alshehri but Waleed A Alshehri . he was NEVER a HIJACKER and is still alive, he is also a pilot for Saudi Air.

Here is a photo of WaleedA Alshehri NOT A TERRORIST

So who is Wail Alshehri? He WAS a TERRORIST and DIED on 9/11/2001
He is brother to Waleed M Alshehri Pictured above and ALSO A TERRORIST also DIED on 9/11/2001.

Here are photos of the two TERRORIST brothers:
WAIL ALSHEHRI

WALEED M ALSHEHRI

See the resembalance?

It doesn't end there notice Abdul Aziz Alomari. That is NOT the TERRORIST Abdul Aiz Alomari, But an Alomari that lives in Colorado. He just happened to have a similar name, he IS still alive but NEVER a TERRORIST.

Here is the TERRORIST Abdul AZIZ ALOMARI or Abu al-Abbas al-Janoobi
He DIED on 9/11/2001:

Not the same guy as the first photo capture is it. How would we know which was truly the TERRORIST? Corraborating evidence.

Here is the TERRORIST ABDUL AZIZ ALOMARI from footage of his Martyrdom video where he basically lays out why he is planning on killing Americans:

Same dude.

Here is a photo taken from an ATM in Portland Maine on 9/10/2001 He is with MOHAMMED ATTA in this picture:

Here is the full video linking ABUL AZIZ ALOMARI, WAIL ALSHEHRI, and WALEED M ALSHEHRI with AL-QUEDA. It also connects several other 9/11 hijackers including their martyrdom videos where they freakin' admitt their plans of to doing harm to Americans.

vids.myspace.com...

Hope that helps you in your quest to DENY IGNORANCE

Robert Mueller, Director of the FBI, has twice been forced to admit on CNN that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers".

The irony is strong with this one.....

Who-released-the-information-to-CNN-in-the-1st-place?

Or did CNN pick some random Arabic dudes out of a hat, actually hold that thought but swap CNN with F.B.I.

No coincidence that one of the INCORRECTdudes was a jet pilot!!!!!!.

What evidence (changed to suit) shall we go through next?, pancake affect maybe?.

An example of how wrong I am......... I stated that the 6 of the terrorists released to CNN or whatever were incorrect, then you go and prove this for me, thanks. In case it hasn`t sunk in yet.. we (Truthers) disbelieve the OS because it (amongst many other aspects) horrendously contradicts itself.

Again thanks for debunking some of your beloved F.B.I. related evidence for me

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