The JIDF Is On ATS!!!

Originally posted by TornMind
One example that I didn't really want to touch upon while on the front page is, they attack ad revenue.

I don't necessary agree with you but at least you have put forward a realistic concept .

Do you think that the recent influx of people advocating the legalizing of illegal drugs was the JIDF trying to destroy ATS ?

Also, there is a link to direct subversion, and disinformation tactics used by the US Govt.; which is the lap dog of the Israeli Govt

I have been around ATS for a while and the problem is that members often resort to labelling someone a disinfo agent if they don't agree with there point of view .

On that note ever notice how to many people ignore terrorist atrocity's(SP?) while going nuts over any unproven cases US military or IDF killing civilians ?

Ever since Vietnam the media and mostly left wing protesters or pundits have followed this trend .

reply to post by Djarums


I'd expect you to remove absolute hate. There is enough of it in the world, and almost every last bit of it filled with facts of ignorance.

reply to post by AdmiralX


Your analogy is excellent, and very to the point. Hopefully people will understand that there are darker issues here, and they go way back. The 'Great Game' never ended, and I think Britain 'gave' Jerusalem because of future strategies as in a Chest game.

reply to post by wyleecoyote


I'd like to see evidence of what your saying. The admin. came in, and voiced their policies, and they kept mine up.

reply to post by xpert11

Do you think that the recent influx of people advocating the legalizing of illegal drugs was the JIDF trying to destroy ATS ?

I don't know. I think the JIDF focuses more on attacking ad revenues directly with the source of said revenue. I absolutely believe that the other Israeli Internet fighting forces, along with US dis info junkies can do things such as you mention. Just think of what a few people could accomplish with a given direction, and motivation. Put that on a grand scale, and that's what is being perpetrated against all of us.

Many legislatures are pushing for Internet controls; however, they mention cyber terrorism as the reason.... Their solution usually revolves on making the Internet slower.

I have been around ATS for a while and the problem is that members often resort to labelling someone a disinfo agent if they don't agree with there point of view . On that note ever notice how to many people ignore terrorist atrocity's(SP?) while going nuts over any unproven cases US military or IDF killing civilians ?

Truth is an illusion of sorts; we can only each individually perceive it. I provided many links in this thread, and especially the OP. I did this because of dis-information. I wanted it to be clear.

I think many people see disinfo junkies, or shills because it is a reality in this day, and age. In the OP I gave links to examples of disinfo groups.

What scares me is WW3. I don't want to die because of it, I don't want family, or friends to die because of it, and I don't want you, or anyone to die because of it.

There is no doubt that is where the things mentioned in the OP are going, or geared for.

Originally posted by contemplator
I'm more worried about the CIDF if you catch my drift. They have been destroying this place.

You called it.

I was going to make a similar post.
I feel the same about that too.

Not that it matters.

- Lee

Thanks for the heads-up -- I'd never heard of these guys.

There's so much bs on both sides of these things though, its impossible to know who to believe. The propaganda machines of both Zionism and anti-Zionists are so well-oiled now.

You say these guys are puppets of the Israeli regime instead of a mostly-harmless special interest group. that's all very well if you know that, but how are the common folks like ourselves who aren't 'in the know' supposed to believe it?

Anyway, thanks for this information.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by contemplator
I'm more worried about the CIDF if you catch my drift. They have been destroying this place.

You called it.

I was going to make a similar post.
I feel the same about that too.

Not that it matters.

- Lee

true, but don't forget about the SIDF (Starchild). Those guys are taking over

Originally posted by Djarums
Is this anything other than a thread of people insulting each other?

No, it isn't anything else. The whole opening post tells ya' that.
We knew from the very first page that's all it would be when the
OP said this -

Originally posted by TornMind
Should this thread be pulled, or an overwhelming amount of the responses be negative; I'll give all credit to the Economic, and Cyber Terrorists of the JIDF.

- anyone who disagrees will automatically be labeled a cyber terrorist and/or member of the JIDF. That's pretty damn ignorant and it definately sets the tone that it will be nothing more than a 'agree with me or you get insulted' thread. :shk:

Originally posted by RezPire
The JDL members are typical. I've been lurking for a while and I already spotted THREE of them

It's like catching insects

Actually all you've caught is your own lunacy.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
OR...defend Gaza's human rights OR protest Israel's undo influence on U.S. policy and you are an anti-Semite.

For sure about the Isreal's undo influence on US Policy. I'm right there with ya' on that one. But as for the Gaza human rights .... They made their bed and now they can lie in it .

immediate edit to fix quote

[edit on 7/19/2009 by FlyersFan]

OP- Awhile back I would have thought it was nothing more than a special interest group making sure their opinions get equal time in the media.

But the one thing I never understood is why the US was so concerned with the existence of Israel??? Could never figure that one out.

I knew about the Holocaust and I felt bad. I knew the religious implications for Christians and perhaps that we were trying to speed Christ's return through this policy but that seemed so crazy to me. Overall though Israel didn't really have much to do with me or my day to day life. I always felt we had enough problems of our own without meddling in other people's affairs.

Then I began to wake up and it has been a long process. Currently I am torn between two different points of view.

1.) The US needs a client state in the middle east to "defend" in order to further our own interests and legitimize energy resource wars.

2.) That Israel is calling the shots and using the US "philistines" to further their own agenda. A transnational cabal of the elite both christian and jewish concerned only with greed and power. I certainly no longer see a "poor little Israel" surrounded on all side by the barbarians.

My point is I am an American a citizen of the US. I want the US out of Israel completely and I want the Israeli lobbyists out of the US government. I think Israel has proven consistently they are quite capable of defending themselves and don't need our help. The undue influence of Israel in US business and government goes way beyond all legitimate proportion to their numbers.

I have a feeling it will never happen though which leads me to lean toward choice number 2.

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Yes the problem is... the US is the "private army" of Israel. Or the "attack dog" whatever you wanna call it. Israel wouldnt last a second if it wasnt for having the "mighty US" as their guard dog.

Israel call the shots, the US have the "manpower" to make it happen. The US is nothing but the tip of the spear that israel does not have by it self but its desperately needed to make the rest of the pole useful.

The average american dies by Israel command. And that is sad.

The US should leave them on their own with their agenda and stop backing it up... the moment that happened Israel would be without a doubt wiped out of the face of the planet... to bad they do have a tight fist over the "controllers" of the US... same ppl that control Israel also control the US, so a "solo" Israel will never happen, sadly.

I actually would like to see what Israel could do on its own without the mighty US always playing the "big brother that can kick your a$$ if you hit me" role...

The US has enemies... not because they're the US, or because the world hates america because of its life style, freedom or power. The world hates the US because the US are in fact the only reason that keeps them from destroying their enemy, playing the "big brother" that is WAY TOO BIG for anyone to face it as a consequence of attacking Israel.

What the world hates is seeing the strongest nation of the world obeying blindly to a nation who aims only to do harm to others and hides itself behind the big brother US as a shield everytime theres trouble.

The reason Israel wasnt wiped out already is the US... and the US are slaves to them, perfect for pushing their agenda and die for them and for their creeds and plans.

The US should be free... the irony is... the country that most of all is the living symbol of "Freedom" is nothing but a slave to a small pesky and bad intentioned Israel.

reply to post by eniac


Like I wrote I started noticing the JIDF, and reading about the others back when Israel started the siege on Gaza. What part of the grand scheme does the JIDF play? I know for sure they tie Zionism with anti-semetism, and attack ad revenue. Do they attack blogs, and the such? Well, their site says it coordinates 'concerned citizens'.

I am signed up on several Israeli newspaper mailing lists, and they sent out requests to all subscriber's to go on the net in comment sections; to type pro Israeli.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I guess you've never paid attention to Mossad activities? They seem to be caught a lot with their hands in the cookie jar. As far as those evil Palestinians, there was ceasefire in effect, and if you go back, and look online, then you can find several articles; which show Israel broke the ceasefire...... Hey, burn all the Muslims, right? Remember the thread is about the actual evidence I presented. Go to the JIDF website, and look. They actively harass site revenues; So they 'adjust' their ad strategy. Go read the link to Israeli Internet fighting teams. Go read the link about the US Govt. infiltrating the media on a massive scale.

reply to post by Leo Strauss


I'd go with option #2 as well. However, the "Zionist's" as you pointed out aren't just Jews; in fact I believe that almost all the people of the US, and Israel are Cannon Fodder, to the PTB.

We were supposed to have left the day, and age of empires long ago, but the US, and other's are sure behaving differently. Don't listen to the words specifically, but also the actions. Here we are with a huge US population jobless, displaced, and sometimes starving, spending spending spending, on war!

I'd like people to walk away from this thread with the concept that Zionism is over the average Jew, and others. All of the world is used as pawns/distractions in our own right. We are all used as mechanisms of divide, and conquer.

Also, you mentioned the holocaust. I wanted to point out to you that the next time you see Israel knee deep, or waist deep in turmoil, to watch the television. The MSM, and networks drum up holocaust movies, stories, and interviews.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


AIPAC!!! Very well said, but I do believe this issue goes beyond Israel. I read an interesting email, and saw it was a thread about a year ago. 30 Interesting facts about America. It goes indepth regarding the real position of the US, and it goes back to Britain. Britain put gave the Zionist's Jerusalem.

I in fact believe that the Jewish people for the most part are being used as cannon fodder in the 'front line' battle, so to speak that the "Great Game" started long ago.

Not only is the average Jew not liked through a lot of the world, but also the average US American. It's getting down right dangerous in some parts to open your mouth as a US American. The reason to me is the lack of average intelligence now. I'd have to say the stereotype most common to a US American is a loud, fat, and ignorant person that "knows it all".

Very interesting thread, but no way would I chance leaving my opinion. I do appreciate reading everyone else's. Thanks for the thread.

JIDF are not present on ATS.

Majority of their active members have abandoned this site months ago. In fact, last year was when the activities ceased to exist.

reply to post by Sundancer


Why not? Everyone's entitled to one, and very few of us bite...



Israel protects itself, as it has every right to do, with what most of us would consider unconventional means... The key being, they've the right to protect themselves. If the U.S. and other nations don't like it, they've the right to do something about it, too.

When all is said and done, Israel is a itty bitty country whom the rest of the world, should it choose to pay the butcher's bill, could crush. They know this, too...or should.

And now the jidf is on this thread.

You can see whom they are by their tired ad homenim tactics of:

1. you're an antisemite

2. deflect blame the muslims (ohhh eehhh, it's the palestinians raining rockets that killed 23 israelis in 7 years but it's okay for Israelis to starve thousands of palestinians to death in that same period).

3. equate Israel as jewish and the biblical israelites (probably the same ignorants who go to church on sunday, the first day, rather than saturday, the sabbath day).

reply to post by American_Soviets


I believe someone is extremely paranoid...

SF and an extreme wing of the 9/11 truth movement, who are shunned by all truthers, are the only groups operating on this site - the mods deal with them effectively.

Originally posted by American_Soviets
And now the jidf is on this thread.

You can see whom they are by their tired ad homenim tactics of:

:shk: Oh gawd ... another one.

Telling the truth about the fact that terrorist rockets rain down daily upon the citizens of Israel, from the Gaza, is not 'tired ad homenium tactics' ... it's just the truth. Grow up. Learn to deal with the truth of the situation without resorting to saying ... 'oh that one's a JDL ... ' It's moronic.

(probably the same ignorants who go to church on sunday, the first day, rather than saturday, the sabbath day).

Oh lookie .. a Seventh Day Adventist Cultist shaking his finger at all the Christians on the site. (backatchya)

[edit on 7/19/2009 by FlyersFan]

reply to post by American_Soviets


So is anyone who disagrees with your opinion part of some group?

I see two very bizarre things going on in this thread.

The first one I addressed earlier... The thought that our content or staff decisions can be affected or influenced by any outside group. I'd encourage anyone to read my above post on that to see the official position of ATS on the matter.

The second point is one that often happens on various different topics. If an anti-Israel topic comes up and someone defends Israel, they are immediately part of some nefarious Zionist group. If an anti-religious topic comes up and someone defends religion, they are immediately part of some nefarious Christian group. And on, and on, and on.

I suppose it would be impossible to stop that thought process for a moment and realize that not everyone agrees with any one opinion and that both sides have the same right to post their opinions on this forum without being attacked as members of some group.

All you know is that the person disagrees with you. You do not know that they are part of any group. As adults interacting on a forum one would think that it would come as plainly obvious that no one will agree on anything. There doesn't always have to be another motive to it. Maybe you just have differing opinions.

This practice of trying to classify everyone is irritating. Additionally, launching attacks on people because you don't agree with them is against our Terms and Conditions, which in our world of ATS trumps any allegiance or group.

It is my hope that this behavior would stop as it distracts from good debate.

I don't care if they are on here. They have a right to their opinion too. While you and I might not agree with them on everything (or anything), who is to say you are always right and they always wrong? Isn't that just a little arrogant?

reply to post by Djarums


Now look.

Truth always prevails over propaganda. Always. It may take years, decades or even centuries, but the truth will always prevail. If you say that someone disagrees with a position of (for instance) calling Israel an agressor against the Palestinian people and that person who disagrees with that position is clearly an intelligent individual you must question motives.

No one in their right mind can choose the side of Israel in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict when it is obvious without a doubt that Israel has committed far, far worse atrocities against the Palestinians (and other Arab nations) with all their high-tech weaponry and superior intelligence apparatus than a resource depleted Palestine ever could cause Israel.

Palestinians keep fighting because they know they are right. They should never have been kicked off their land in the first place! Wouldn´t you be angry?? They use anything they can lay their hands on, and they know they are outnumbered, without high tech weaponry & the world public opinion is against them because most media reporting on the conflict are biased due to the fact that those same outlets are controlled by Pro-Israel organizations, individuals and corporations.

You say that someone who does not agree with a certain opinion should not be labeled bias or member of a certain group with a certain agenda.

I say not doing so when the facts are clear to anyone with a three digit IQ is insulting their and my intelligence.

T4H

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Sundancer

 

Why not? Everyone's entitled to one, and very few of us bite...

Israel protects itself, as it has every right to do, with what most of us would consider unconventional means... The key being, they've the right to protect themselves. If the U.S. and other nations don't like it, they've the right to do something about it, too.

When all is said and done, Israel is a itty bitty country whom the rest of the world, should it choose to pay the butcher's bill, could crush. They know this, too...or should.

One of the other users here posted something similar, but I would beg to disagree. Certainly the US has the power (at least ostensibly) to shut down Israel if they so choose (since the US taxpayers have essentially bought the IDF).

However, this notion of Israel as a small, near defenceless nation on the verge of being pushed into the sea (not that that is what you in particular were saying) is a ludicrous fantasy bordering on disinformation in its own right.

The reality is that Israel (thanks to extensive US funding and transfer of highly sensitive military technology) is one of the strongest military powers in the world today, only rivaled by the likes of the US, Russia and China. Other than perhaps the UK and France, it would likely take the European Union acting in concert to trump Israel's military. Not to mention that they are one of the few countries in the world with an arsenal of nuclear weapons (again trumping the EU except UK and France). They are the reigning superpower in the middle east and it is highly doubtful that even an alliance of every single other middle eastern country could compare. This is also why they are so vehemently opposed to even the possibility of Iran developing nukes: that they would lose absolute control over their sphere of influence (since one of their neighbours could actually then defend themselves).

Originally posted by Snooze
I don't care if they are on here. They have a right to their opinion too. While you and I might not agree with them on everything (or anything), who is to say you are always right and they always wrong? Isn't that just a little arrogant?

I think the point here is not that they argue a pro-Israel/pro-Zionist perspective, which should be wholly acceptable. The issue with JIDF and similar groups (on any side of a debate) is that they are engaged in not only having views that they disagree with removed (so that only their `truth`remains) but that they also engage in underhanded bullying tactics when they don`t get their way by, for instance, attacking the revenue stream of websites which don`t give in to their demands.

I am not claiming that this is happening here, however if, for instance, one of these groups could not convince the mods here to curtail the freedom of speech of those they disagree with, then they would seperately approach businesses, etc which advertise on this website and tell them that this site is Anti-Semitic, racist, etc and that they should pull their ads or be labelled as well as supporting anti-semites/racists, etc.

Thus, the problem with groups such as JIDF is not that they seek to diseminate their own perspective of events, but rather that they seek to muzzle anyone who does not agree with them, thus destroying freedom of speech.

On a sidenote, I find it interesting that people such as flyersfan have no problem labelling Muslim extremists as terrorists when they engage in terrorism (such as the murder of innocent civilians), yet cannot recognize that it is equally terrorism when the IDF, etc commit the same offences. Certainly Israel has the right to defend itself from outside aggressors, however it, by definition, cannot be self-defence when they murder an unarmed civilian or even a armed "terrorist" when they are doing so in another country's territory which they have occupied. By that logic the Nazi's were simply engaged in self-defence when brutally putting down the Jewish rebellion in the Warsaw Ghetto, and I would simply be defending myself if I broke into your home to rob you and shot you because you came near me.

Terrorism and murder are terrorism and murder, regardless of which country, race, religion, etc commits it.