August 20th Spells Global Meltdown

Ok, I thought this disserved its own thread. I feel that it's rather important to share the information that I have, and warn those that may be able to do something about it. First, here's a source:

USA Forum Posted by: dealer Posted on: 7th Jul 2001 06:42:00

Message: Peter Elidades , author of Stock Market Cycles comments on Puetz crash Peter Elidades, author of Stock Market Cycles.

"A study was completed by Steven Puetz (pronounced Pitts) showing that 8 of the 12 greatest stock market crashes in history from the Holland Tulip Mania in 1637 to the Tokyo crash in 1990 fell within a time frame of six days before to three days after a full moon (usually also a lunar eclipse) that occurred within six weeks of a solar eclipse. The odds of this happening by chance are estimated to be less than one chance in 127,000."

It is my understanding that this lunar eclipse time period usually marks the onset of the crash wave, which usually takes a week or two to fully unfold, and the worst day of the crash does not usually fall on these few days around the full moon. In fact, Chris Carolan, has shown that it is more likely to occur approximately 55 hours prior to the following new moon. Yesterday, we had a full moon which was also a lunar eclipse and occurred two weeks after a solar eclipse. We had the same setup in 1987 where the market started tanking right on the 10/6 lunar eclipse following the solar eclipse but did not all-out crash until 13 days later, just before the new moon.

I doubt the market will crash on Monday and I also differ slightly with regard to the often reliable 55 hour time window prior to the new moon which would indicate the possibility of a panic on 7/18. My own analysis and cycle work has July 16th as the day of maximum panic.

I started this subject on another thread, so I won't go into as much detail, but here's the gist of it....

As you can read above, eonomic cycles seem to correlate with certain astrological cycles. There are various books that document these things, plus very rich and influential people that attest to it (J.P. Morgon for one), all of the technical indicators point to it: Elliot Wave, the KONDRATIEFF cycle, etc, and now I present and astrological connection as well, which will present itself very soon.

Now, given that we are nearing the end of a "B" wave, about to begin a huge "C" wave down, according to Elliot Wave Principle, and nearing the blow off phase of the Kondratieff cycle, we should expect a big crash soon. Historically, they have come in the Spring and Fall months of the year, such as October and May (October 29, 1929, September 11, 2001, etc.) Infact, the abover source predicted the major market movements surrounding Sept. 11th!

Ok, now we have the astrolog information above, interesting, eh? Well guess what we just so happen to have coming up very soon? You guessed it, a Solar eclipse followed by a lunar eclipse within six weeks of each other. On July 22, we will have a full solar eclipse, followed by a lunar eclipse on August 6th! And if you read the quote above, you know that 55 hours prior to the following new moon can spell certain doom. That new moon is on August 20th 2009.

Go to the source and read the entire article. It was written in July of 2001, and basically predicted two months in advance the market upheaval that was to occur on September 11th, based on the same solar and lunar line up that we will soon find ourselves in this late summer and early fall. The same connection, which we find all over the historical data! Now, ask yourselves what we are headed for this fall? Total collapse? Total War? Both?

Originally posted by HothSnake
My own analysis and cycle work has July 16th as the day of maximum panic.

well that was yesterday..
heres an article from yesterday..

July 16, 2009 |
US markets surged Wednesday after Intel forecast a stronger third quarter and wary investors heaved a sigh of relief from Fed’s improved take on the economy. Enlivened moods on the Street propelled major gauges up at least 3% with the Dow Jones industrial average registering its biggest one day advance in nearly four months. The buoyant mood pressured treasuries as investors shied away from safe havens.

www.zacks.com...

Go to the source and read the entire article. It was written in July of 2001, and basically predicted two months in advance the market upheaval that was to occur on September 11th, based on the same solar and lunar line up that we will soon find ourselves in this late summer and early fall. The same connection, which we find all over the historical data!

Now, ask yourselves what we are headed for this fall? Total collapse? Total War? Both?

its an interesting theory but i fail to believe that things like the market tanking on 9/11 were due to solar and lunar cycles. the crash after 9/11 was due to..... 9/11, not the moons location in the solar system.



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[edit on 16-7-2009 by turbokid]

There are soooooooo many shoes that are ready to drop....which 1 will be first?

Interesting times we live in...

1st half of '09' was pretty interesting and crazy...
2nd half of '09' will be a blur....


Lots of 'change' we can believe in...(he wasn't lying!)

But I see NO way that anyone can stop this speeding train that's headed for a cliff....Just shut up, hang on, and pray.

well that was yesterday..

reply to post by turbokid


You completely missed it there buddy... That was referring to 2001 and not the present. The whole article was written in July of 2001. Now, the article predicted that something big would happen in late July of 2001. Well, it was very close, and the rest of history bares how accurate this predictor can be.

well that was yesterday..
heres an article from yesterday..

July 16, 2009 |
US markets surged Wednesday after Intel forecast a stronger third quarter and wary investors heaved a sigh of relief from Fed’s improved take on the economy. Enlivened moods on the Street propelled major gauges up at least 3% with the Dow Jones industrial average registering its biggest one day advance in nearly four months. The buoyant mood pressured treasuries as investors shied away from safe havens.

Yes, I know. I covered that already in the other thread as being part of the current "B" wave rally as part of an overall counter down trend. The "C" wave will be the big move downward. And again, you took that out of context. It was talking about July, 2001, and not 2009.

Now what I was doing was comparing the eclipses of 2001, as well as 8 other major market crash years, to the eclipses of 2009, and have concluded that the same alignment will happen this year that has coincided with the market crashes of the past.

its an interesting theory but i fail to believe that things like the market tanking on 9/11 were due to solar and lunar cycles. the crash after 9/11 was due to..... 9/11, not the moons location in the solar system.

Everything is connected to everything else, whether you can percieve it with your finite senses or not. It's not that it is causing it, but that it is connected to it.... Much like smoke signals fire, or clouds signal rain. And the fact of the matter is that it works, which is why you will find many investors using it and profiting from it. Just ask J.P. Morgan, one of the richest men to ever live.

1 in 127,000 of a chance? That might as well be as it will never ever happen, once in a earth lifetime. But then again, with the mess and the stock market, anyting is possible. 2 days ago, the dow was over 260...as of this afternoon(last time i looked on yahoo) it dropped to 2 something. A few had just gone over the minus mark. I think its nearly imposible to predict a crash, becasue of the daily stock trading and investments still going on. Peoplpe are still buying stuff, just not all mad cracy like before, so at least its still moving.

reply to post by HothSnake


my apologies, i missed that date.
like i said, this IS interesting. i will keep an eye on this thread..

s+f

well maybe Monday is the day considering the tidbits of news today

Director of Congressional Budget Office: Federal budget is on unsustainable path...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Joe Biden: 'We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt'
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hillary Clinton: 'CFR Tells Government What It Should Be Doing'
www.abovetopsecret.com...

these are tumultuous times we live in

reply to post by ziggy1706

A few had just gone over the minus mark. I think its nearly imposible to predict a crash, becasue of the daily stock trading and investments still going on. Peoplpe are still buying stuff, just not all mad cracy like before, so at least its still moving.

True... But keep in mind that the market is still way overbought, and still has a long way to tumble before it reaches bottom. Also, keep in mind that sometimes social upheaval causes market upheaval. For instance, we saw the same configuration back in 2001, but it was the events of 9-11 that started the real tumble.

My title is a bit confusing, I admit. August 20th is the date of the new moon that will follow the lunar eclipse on August 6th, which is within six weeks of the July 22nd solar eclipse. A sure sign in the past of major social and market upheavals. According to the source, it often happens 55 hours prior to that new moon (August 20,) which in this case would be around August 17th. However, the same dates were indicated in 2001, and it wasn't until September 11th that anything really went down, plus September and October are months that such things have often happened in the past (Oct. 29, 1929.) So it may be late to mid Fall before it happens, but rest assured that something big will happen. Lunar and Solar eclipses often signal major events to come in a few months of their showing. All of the signs point toward a market crash, but I would wager that this crash will be in tandem or precipitated by some kind of social uphealval: swine flu epidemic, WWIII, etc.

reply to post by HothSnake


Hey OP, S&F for you my man!

Thanks for bringing this to the forefront. This is science, it is proveable and it is a fact.

Example:

What has gone practically unoticed for decades now was a little study done in the 1930s by a man named Edward R. Dewey. Dewey who was a renouned scientist at the time, was empowered by our then President, Herbert Hoover (who was an engineer) to find some kind of scientific pattern relating to the financial crisis going on during that era.

What he came up with was mind blowing to say the least....but of course TPTB wanting to surpress this important knowledge basically buried this and thus it never got the play it deserved.

Dewey first became interested in cycles while Chief Economic Analyst of the Department of Commerce in 1930 or 1931 because President Hoover wanted to know the cause of the Great Depression.[3] Dewey reports that economists gave him no consistent answers on the cause of the depression and he lost faith in economic methods. He received and took advice to study how business behaviour occurred rather than why.

Dewey devoted his life to the study of cycles, claiming that "everything that has been studied has been found to have cycles present." He carried out extensive studies of cyclicity in economic, geological, biological, sociology, physical sciences and other disciplines. In 1941 he formed the Foundation for the Study of Cycles with a board that included distinguished scientists and industrialists to act as a central clearing house of cycles studies from diverse areas. The foundation made studies of natural and social sciences as well as business and economics, and new methods were devised for isolating significant cycles present in time series. A magazine called "Cycles" was published from June 1950, and the foundation also published a four volume collection of reports on cycles including some of Dewey's selected writings on cycles named "Cycles Classic Library Collection". Together with author Og Mandino, Dewey published a book entitled Cycles: The Mysterious Forces That Trigger Events.[1] The Foundation for the Study of Cycles is still active and is located in offices in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

As a result of his research, Dewey asserted that seemingly unrelated time series often had similar cycles periods present and that when they did the phase of these cycles was mostly the nearly the same (cycle synchrony). He also asserted that there were many cycles with periods that were related by powers or products of 2 and 3. This claim is illustrated in the table below. To construct this table starting from the period 17.75 years, multiply by three as you proceed along diagonals from lower left to upper right, and multiply by two as you proceed along diagonals from lower right to upper left. Dewey stated that the underlined numbers are commonly occurring periods (in years):

Here are some fascinating chart comparisons.

I'd like to remind everybody that 9/11 had little to do with the downturn of the DJIA in 2001. The tech bubble was bursting and the market was in a serious decline throughout the summer of 2001.

DJIA May 21, 2001: 11,337,92
DJIA Sept 7, 2001: 9,605.85
DOWN 1,732.07 (15.2%)

9/11 merely gave us historical point of reference which we humans tend to tie to a cause. A smokescreen, if you will. Some would argue that 9/11 actually helped sustain the economy through the next year because of the airline bailouts and surging security sector spending and Afghan war. By the time that started to fade, we were able to go to war in Iraq to continue spending because wars do help the economy in this sense.

Now we are running thin on wars, and the decline which began before 9/11 is taking hold. I don't think we can create a bubble big enough to hold things up for another year or so. I have been looking at this Sept since last year as the second big drop, and after this recent rally it has become even more apparent that it is what we are going to get.

I don't mean to fearmonger... I just see it plain as day that there is very little out there to float things through this fall and we will have a sizable decline. People will rally together in the face of disaster, so expect something like that in Oct/Nov in an effort to prop things up or at least soften the blow.

hmm... very interesting.

I wonder if Evasius has heard of this correlating with the timewave...

SnF

I don't see the stock market crashing anytime soon. I think there are still enough Very Wealthy people who will continue to grease our consumption based world structure. They're still out there buying houses, nice cars, flying all over the world, Yeah It may be like only five percent of the population, but that five percent of the population hold the 90 percent of the money in this country, so as long as they keep greasing the wheel it will keep on turning, and it'll be driving a larger and larger wedge between the very wealthy, and the very poor, that's all it will do, So the very rich will have even more assets and the general population will be scraping to survive and they will continue to trade on the market and continue making more money. What I think is we need the market to crash to solve a lot of problems, Depression is the great equalizer, and that is why I tend to think it will not happen, cause the rich will make sure they are not to lose what they have, even at others' expense. But, it will get a lot worse for the general public. We will be almost like slaves to drive their greed and demand!

reply to post by OnTheFelt


Thanks for that reply OnTheFelt... I've actually read about Dewey and his work on the internet, and I've been meaning to buy that book. I find these cycles very fascinating, and if we can find the cause, I believe that we will have a very powerful knowledge and tool for all disciplines, including science. You saved me some leg work, cause I was going to post some of this guys material to bolster my own case, but you seemed to have saved me some time and effort, thanks.

According to Hoagland, Dewey's work and the fact that astrology works, prove his hyperdimensional physics theory.

I wonder what the sunspot cycle looks like in comparison to the current market cycle? Hmmm, I wonder if someone can find that? I'll look into it.

Originally posted by nydsdan
I'd like to remind everybody that 9/11 had little to do with the downturn of the DJIA in 2001. The tech bubble was bursting and the market was in a serious decline throughout the summer of 2001.

DJIA May 21, 2001: 11,337,92
DJIA Sept 7, 2001: 9,605.85
DOWN 1,732.07 (15.2%)

9/11 merely gave us historical point of reference which we humans tend to tie to a cause. A smokescreen, if you will. Some would argue that 9/11 actually helped sustain the economy through the next year because of the airline bailouts and surging security sector spending and Afghan war. By the time that started to fade, we were able to go to war in Iraq to continue spending because wars do help the economy in this sense.

Now we are running thin on wars, and the decline which began before 9/11 is taking hold. I don't think we can create a bubble big enough to hold things up for another year or so. I have been looking at this Sept since last year as the second big drop, and after this recent rally it has become even more apparent that it is what we are going to get.

I don't mean to fearmonger... I just see it plain as day that there is very little out there to float things through this fall and we will have a sizable decline. People will rally together in the face of disaster, so expect something like that in Oct/Nov in an effort to prop things up or at least soften the blow.

First off, you are exactly right in that the market was declining prior to 9-11. Infact, it was part of a much larger trend. A major 5th wave of the Elliot Wave Cycle was nearing its end before the turn of the century, and we had started the "A" wave correction downward prior to 9-11 (the tech stock boom was over.) However, 9-11 precipitated a huge spiral downward in world markets, and the Fed went into emergency action in order to avert a complete meltdown. It pumped billions into the market, lowerd discount rates to practically zero... All of this was unprecidented.

Major economic effects arose from the September 11, 2001 attacks, with initial shock causing global stock markets to drop sharply. The attacks themselves caused approximately $40 billion in insurance losses, making it one of the largest insured events ever.

The opening of the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) was delayed after the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center's north tower, and trading for the day cancelled after the second plane crashed into the South Tower. NASDAQ also cancelled trading. The London Stock Exchange and other stock exchanges were also evacuated. The New York Stock exchanges remained closed until the following Monday. This was the third time in history that the NYSE experienced prolonged closure, and first time since March 1933, though the NYSE also shut down for a few months at the beginning of World War II.[2] Trading on the United States bond market also ceased, with the leading government bond trader, Cantor Fitzgerald based in the World Trade Center.[2] The New York Mercantile Exchange was also closed for a week after the attacks.[3]

The Federal Reserve issued a statement, saying it was "open and operating. The discount window is available to meet liquidity needs."[4]. The Federal Reserve added $100 billion in liquidity per day, during the three days following the attack, to help avert a financial crisis.[3] Federal Reserve Governor Roger W. Ferguson, Jr., the only Governor in Washington, D.C. on the day of the attacks[citation needed], has described in detail this and the other actions that the Fed undertook to maintain a stable economy and offset potential disruptions arising in the financial system.[5]

Gold prices spiked upwards, from $215.50 to $287 an ounce in London trading.[2] Oil prices also spiked upwards.[6] Gas prices in the United States also briefly shot up, though the spike in prices only lasted about one week.source

Most don't realize how close to a total collapse we actually came. If it weren't for the unprecidented actions of the Fed, the market would have collapsed completely. I remember my economics professor at the time telling us all to go out and buy a new car at zero percent, and the housing bubble was about to really get out of hand, thanks to the ridiculously low interest rates. They staved off total collapse for a time, but things started to turn south in 2002 with a market crash in September of that year. Things have steadily declined since then, til what we are seeing now. Basically, the market has been propped up by the crazy machinations of the Fed, but it was only a finger in one of many holes.

reply to post by ldyserenity


The rich in this country won't be able to stop it. If the powers that be will it, it will come and they will spare no one.

My advice... Get the hell out of the stock market and buy silver. I think that part of the driving force for this short "B" wave countertrend up is that a lot of people didn't sell off during the big panic that took place earlier this year and are waiting for the market to go back up and reach a certain point before they sell off for good, recoup some of their losses before they get totally out before the "C" wave down begins. Around then I think that you will see a mass exodous of "baby boomers" from the stock market, and they will be running for the hills.

What we could see, in late summer to mid fall, could be cataclysmic. I would definately prepare for the worst.

Originally posted by HothSnake
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

The rich in this country won't be able to stop it. If the powers that be will it, it will come and they will spare no one.

who will line the pockets of TPTB? After all that's what consumers do, line their pockets. So I doubt that TPTB want a collapse.

[edit on 17-7-2009 by ldyserenity]

reply to post by ldyserenity


Crashes don't wipe out everyone, my dear. Oh no, the rich often get even more rich and powerful during a stock market crash, especially when they are one of the elites that knows what is going on. Infact, a wise rich person looks at such opportunities to make the real profits. A boom may take years to formulate, whereas, a bust can double or triple your money over night, if you know what you are doing by shorting the downtrend.

"Technical indicators reveal that the stock market is engaging
in one of the rarest of events, a blowoff, i.e., an accelerating
upward move into a spike reversal that resolves in a crash.
How rare is a stock market blowoff? One has not occurred in modern
history. They are common in fifth waves of Primary and Cycle
degree in commodities, but not in stocks. Even the upward surge
in 1928, the closest thing to a blowoff in the last 276 years,
was followed by a five-month consolidation and a new high on
lesser upside momentum, the typical profile. The last time the
stock market had a commodity-like ending was the year 1720,
which saw the culmination of investment manias in England and
France. That was the last time a wave of Grand Supercycle degree
ended. So in this context, a blowoff is apparently normal stock
market behavior. This advance has the characteristics
of a terminating fifth wave."

-Robert Prechter, excerpt from his February 9th issue of
"The Elliott Wave Theorist" (see Feb.19th Barron's, p.MW46) source

What we are seeing now is unprecidented!