"Evidence" from the birth certificate conspiracy, my analysis

reply to post by Southern Guardian


So the only people whom have confirmed that he truly can lead the country are government officials? Interesting. I ask you again, how do you know 100% he was born on US soil?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian


I wasnt aware that the long form was required under the constitution? Can you show me where? I wasnt aware you possessed the long form birth certificates of the other 43 presidents?

If you were to aproach from logic, first off the other Presidents were not in question as to where they were born I don't believe.
Since this is a question to raise about Obama it is not out of line, he was born outside the main land, he was a praticing Muslum, things are shadie, who hides things if there is nothing to hide, anwser they don't, only a crook does.

I don't have anything against Obama, but a crook is a crook his true colors will show thru.

Originally posted by Totakeke
So the only people whom have confirmed that he truly can lead the country are government officials?

Vai the constiution he has sufficiently proven his citizenship and there for is eligible for the presidency as congress and the electoral college confirmed on December 2008. The people spoke on November 4th 2008 and he was voted in. Whether it was by 7 million or 700,000 via the constitution and as a democracy the people accepted what he presented and voted him in.

The rightwing fringe may have plenty of questions regarding him, may have kept "shut" during the Bush administration and may have other questions on every occasion some liberal is elected, but they do not dictate this path of this nation alone, they share it with the rest of the population. They had their chance to speak, just as everybody else on November 4th 2008, as the liberals did the same back in 2004 and 2000. The outcome was clear, the confirmation was clear, it is "clear" Obama is and has been president for 8 months now and counting.

how do you know 100% he was born on US soil?

I can ask the same question for every other president among the 44, how do we know they were 100% born on US soil? We cant, because we cant all account for being present at their birth. This is specifically why we have the constitution and the laws set in it, to assure there is a traditional process for confirming somebodies birth right, and Obama passed that, as did the rest of the 44.

Now heres my question since you so adamantly back up this conspiracy, why cant you seem to provide proof he was born off american soil? Or do you have nothing to show for it really but your "personal suspcions"?

SG


[edit on 15-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by googolplex
If you were to aproach from logic

The constitution is simply logic to you, yet a masked individual with their stories behind a computer screens about this law means fact right?

first off the other Presidents were not in question as to where they were born

True, however you are yet to prove this president to be under question as you have nothing to show for it but speculation. Your asking him to step out of the 44 and show his long form, why? Because you dont trust "him". If we had to hold our presidents accountable to satisfying every single individual we would never get to electing that president. If you dont have evidence in a court of law when accusing somebody, you have no case.

Do you have evidence that Obama was born of US soil?

[edit on 16-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by Totakeke


What ever happen to innocent until proven guilty? You are making wild accusations without providing proof that a long-term birth certificate is required by the constitution. Why can't you accept that he is our president? He was voted in honestly and confirmed.

Thank you Southern Guardian for not backing down. A lot of OP's contribute on the first page and then disappear. Sadly, you are a minority on this forum... with your facts... and your logic... and your hula-hoops... and your research... pacman videogames... and Dan Fogelberg records.

Keep it up! You have a fan here!


[edit on 7.16.2009 by Avarus]

Originally posted by Avarus
reply to post by Totakeke

 

What ever happen to innocent until proven guilty? You are making wild accusations without providing proof that a long-term birth certificate is required by the constitution. Why can't you accept that he is our president? He was voted in honestly and confirmed.

Thank you Southern Guardian for not backing down. A lot of OP's contribute on the first page and then disappear. Sadly, you are a minority on this forum... with your facts... and your logic... and your hula-hoops... pacman videogames... and Dan Fogelberg records.

Keep it up! You have a fan here!

What about everything he said in his Campaign has been lies, is it also possible he lied about his place of birth?

And why did Bill Clinton say what he did about Obama, something like can't blame a guy for trying.
Did Bill know something he's not talking about?

Take a look around we have been scamed, lied to, sold out, the Money Men are finshing off the United States.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson hated Government and only saw as a Evil necessity.
We should of heeded there warnings, what ever that means.



[edit on 16-7-2009 by googolplex]

reply to post by Southern Guardian

I could not even get a social security number with a piece of paper, the likes of which he presented, and they let him become the President.

reply to post by googolplex


obviously he was able to get a social security number with it.
maybe you should sue for discrimination against you.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Why hasnt anybody provided that evidence of him being born off soil?

Why hasn't anybody provided that evidence of him being born ON soil?

Originally posted by Wildbob77
I think that it is a clear cut case of racism.

:shk: Oh brother.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
What other president has been asked to produce evidence of a natural birth.

There hasn't been any question with them.

Why isn't the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper enough.

ALREADY ANSWERED. Read the thread. The announcement is just that ... a birth announcement. AND the facts in that announcement were wrong. The Obamas didn't live at that Hawaiian address they alleged themselves to live at.

Originally posted by Avarus
This birth certificate nonsense has gone on too long.

I agree. Obama should have shown the real one long ago.

grow up people.

:shk: back atchya. American citizens wanting to be sure that the POTUS is eligible does NOT make them childish.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original Birth certificate.

jeeeeeeeeeeeze .. read the thread! That has already been addressed.
They only verified that there is a birth certificate in the vault.
They did NOT verifiy anything it said or that it is proof that
Obama was born in the USA.

There were 4 types of Hawaiian birth certificates at that time. The 4th
type only required that the parents say they were Hawaiian residents
in order to get the B.C. They didn't have to provide proof of birth on
the island.

Originally posted by eniac
What's your source on that?

It's already been posted! Read the thread.

of course I haven't read the whole thread. I'm not going to wade through x pages of lunatic-fringe garbage on a complete non-issue.

Are you two years old or something? Jeeeeze.... we are NOT going to spoon feed you because you are too damn lazy to read the information provided. READ THE THREAD or get off it. That is how it works.

:shk: OY

Ok, so all you people who says that bla bla bla needs to produce a long form birth certificate needs to calm down and send those requests to Mr.Obama instead of taking it out on the Southern Guardian who did a tremendous research and work to get this thread running. Southern Guardian just pointed out the factual things and also was so kind to provide the backup for his/her claims.

So instead of picking on Southern Guardian to produce some more evidence, you guys and girls need to start producing the evidence that he was not born in Hawaii instead of letting other people do the work for you(a bit like elitist does) or are you people having a hard time finding evidence or are you just some lazy rich kids who never worked a honest hour in your life?

So all you anti long form birth certificate guys and girls start digging in the ground your self instead of polluting other stand guys and girls job.

Best regard

Loke.:.

[edit on 16-7-2009 by Loke.]

Originally posted by Loke.
instead of letting other people do the work for you(a bit like elitist does)

No sweetie .. they PAY people to do the work for them.
They keep the economy going.

or are you just some lazy rich kids who never worked a honest hour in your life?

you mean .... or are you just some lazy welfare sucking freeloaders who never worked an honest hour in your life?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by pavil

 

Can you account for what hospital the rest of the 44 presidents were born in?
Can you account for long form birth certificates from the rest of the 44 presidents?

I think the fringe harass enough folk for the hospital not to be released, thanks.

Ford was born as Leslie Lynch King, Jr. on July 14, 1913, at 3202 Woolworth Avenue in Omaha, Nebraska, where his parents lived with his paternal grandparents.

Jimmy Carter Born was born in Wise Hospital (which is now the Lillian G. Carter Nursing Center) at Plains, Sumter County, Ga., October 1, 1924. First President to be born in a hospital.


Ronald Reagan: 119 South Main Street, Tampico, IL 61283 on February 6, 1911

Bush, George Herbert Walker
born on 12 June 1924 at 11:45 (= 11:45 AM )
Place Grace-New Haven Community Hospital
in Connecticut. Milton MA, USA, 42n15, 71w05


Blythe (Clinton), William Jefferson IV
born on 19 August 1946 at 08:51 (= 08:51 AM )
Place Julia Chester Hospital Hope AR, USA, 33n40, 93w36

George W. Bush Born in Yale New Haven Hospital - New Haven, CT on July 6, 1946.

You were saying??????????



[edit on 16-7-2009 by pavil]

reply to post by FlyersFan


If you gonna quote things then please use whole structured sentences instead of taking it out of context. The thing was, and still is that people who are opposing the obama birth thing in this thread should back up all their fantastic claims with some evidence instead of their shooting in the dark theory, and for sure they should not expect other people who made this thread and already have provided evidence for their claims to also do the work for the opposing people.

Best regards

Loke.:.

Originally posted by Loke.
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

..... The thing was, and still is that people who are opposing the obama birth thing in this thread should back up all their fantastic claims with some evidence instead of their shooting in the dark theory, and for sure they should not expect other people who made this thread and already have provided evidence for their claims to also do the work for the opposing people.

Best regards

Loke.:.

Huh? What have we been provided in the way of absolute proof on the Obama Birth Certificate? A short form BC which doesn't come from the hospital and a News Clipping, without details. We have not seen the Long Form with the Hospital, Parents, Date of Birth, Time Ect? To claim that we have seen all there is to be seen is disingenuous.

Either it exists and can be presented or allowed to be presented by the President or it does not. The "fantastic claim" is that the Long form birth certificate has not been made public. That is easily rectified by President Obama. It's reasonable to ask about the long form, given the controversy surrounding his birth, and it's the only way to stop the controversy.

I don't know if this has been covered yet in this thread, so if it has please accept my appologies.


As I'm sure many of you are aware, there was a lawsuit filed on July 8, 2009 by a USAR Major Stefan Frederick Cook disputing the citizenship of Barack Husein Obama, and also lists as defendants The Secretary of Defense and two Army Colonels.

Now, where it gets interesting is section (8) and (9) of the lawsuit respectively.

(8) Accuses Barack Obama of having used 39 Social Security Cards and 119 address prior to becoming the 44th President. In addition, one of the SSN cards issued appears to be out of Conneticut and shows him as 119 years old. This coupled with the fact that Barrack's grandmother, Madeline Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate Department and had access to the social security numbers of the deceased.

(9) Brings up an important citizenship law regarding the state of Hawaii. It states that Hawaiin Statue 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates.


Now, I'm no expert on this, but if this isn't compelling I don't know what is.


Application for Temporary Restraining Order

[edit on 16-7-2009 by OnTheFelt]

[edit on 16-7-2009 by OnTheFelt]

While it is true Obama had attained Kenyan citizenship in conjunction to his US citizenship at birth, his citizenship expired by the time he was 21 years of age.

His dual-citizenship at birth, disqualifies him as a Natural born citizen.
It does not matter if it was dropped when he turned 21. The constitution is very clear on the issue...dual citizen at birth = not Natural born.
The damage is done, so to speak.

I'll speak on the public school, and Indonesian citizenship at the same time.

SG, you claim that Obama could not have gained a Indonesian Citizenship due to the strict laws at the time. You also claim that he could have gotten into public schools without it, by lying to the schools.

So what prevented anyone from lying to the government about his time in country? Someone could have lied to get him a citizenship, and then he attended public school with said citizenship. Could have gotten forged documents showing extended time in country as well.

These points of yours are sort of moot, since they can used against your argument equally well. Plus you don't really have any proof that someone lied for Obama, but we do have proof that he attended schools there. The really funny thing is, you label your speculation about someone lying for Obama as Truth.

The birth certificate presented by the Obama campaign was verified multiple times by the Hawaii state health department

I'll just post that much, it's all that's needed really. There has been no Birth Certificate presented, only a "Certificate of Live Birth"...and yes...there is a legal distinction between the two, whether you want to acknowledge that or not. The "officials" can yell til they are blue in the face that it matches real information, and it does not matter. It is not a vault copy of a birth certificate, and thus, only proof that their printer is indeed working.

From the link you posted:
The birth certificate wasn't available before because Obama's birth state of Hawaii does not make such records public and the campaign did not release it.

www.politifact.com...

See, even your own link agrees with me. You have NOT seen a birth certificate.

If I handed a cop a piece of paper that said, "License to drive" and swore that it represented real information. Would the cop take that and be satisfied? No. Probably not, and I won't accept a secondary document either.

This is just a non-issue though, smokescreen if you will. Since it does not even matter what his BC reveals. He was a dual-citizen at birth and disqualified as a Natural. This is my solid stance on anything concerning a BC or related materials.

I'd address the rest of your "case", I won't though since it is mostly harping on the birth certificate issue. I am sure that I have made my stance on that abundantly clear.

reply to post by pavil


I disagree No matter what he does people will find another reason to say he is not eligible. If he releases it now the nay sayers will just say it took to long now we think it's a fake.

All this from a person who says he is for transparency in government..

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)

Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Isn't fact check.org owned by the obama campaign? I like how you use "birthers" as if it demeans and discredits anything, or anyone that opposes your cult leader.

Thank you for your articulated disinfo. Aiside from the fact that we've not seen his proper long form document, the birth of Barry Soetoro was witnessed by both his Aunt and his GrandMother who were in the Hospital Room in Kenya.

Nice try.

Are you with NSA'a Q group? An intern?

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