Jesus Christ is the only way

reply to post by Evangelical


It certainly looks as though you are outnumbered by Muslims, atheists and everything else here. lol Well; all I wanted to say is that there is more proof of Christs existence than Napoleons!

Here is something just for you christians.. At about 6.50 into it it gets pronominal!!:

www.youtube.com...

I don't mind people believing in a God so long as they respect the fact that God put us all here together; and that since no one religion has called Him out to make the race follow them, I am assuming He just wanted us to know He's there; so He gave beliefs to people of all races.

Though I am a christian.. Even the God of Israel is someone that we do not KNOW; except for what He shares, while He's sharing it..

DA

Jesus Christ is not the ONLY way. I see it kinda like this:

Take a piece of paper and turn it so that it is horizontal. Draw a big "ME" on the left side, then a big "Jesus" on the right side. Now, take a ruler and connect the two with a single straight line.

Does this route not seem way too simplistic to anyone else? It is a little too clear and neat to represent any kind of truth of this very complex world.

One of the few things I am certain of as it being absolute, indisputable truth by anyone: No finite entity (in this form) has the authority to dictate to an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent Entity how It is to conduct It's business. No putting the Infinite in a finite box, please. The math doesn't support it to be possible, structurally, kinetically, or consciousness related. Do the math.

i love this sort of mentality. jesus, buddha, christianity muslim! i am the only way, no I am the only way! no im telling you my way is right. look at these miracles. but look at our miracles! we have a messiah. well so do we!

maybe you should think alittle deeper into it. if we all have the ability to create and we all have choice, why is our salvation resting in some person? to say god came to this earth in human form....HAAAHAHA !!! thats really simplifying a creator of the universe dont you think? maybe you yourself are ALL an incarnation of the creator on earth! if we each have a soul (which yall believe we do) then wouldnt that soul be an extension of the deepest essence? a part of it? point being, salvation lies WITHIN!!! not in a little whipping boy.

besides if jesus died for our sins then it was pointless. who is to tell you what a sin is if not yourself? oooh thats right. a book. copied from another book, copied form another book. and translated and adulterated according to the whim of the writer. well, that makes sense!

if in your religion, it is blasphemy to study other religions, maybe you should be questioning why they are keeping the "believers" blindfolded? oooh wait they have that end covered too! doubting and questioning IS the devil and the road to hell yadda yadda. well...this is starting to look more like a means of control. hmmm.

why dont you read some psychology and then reread your guide to life and death. or better yet...START THINKING WITH YOUR 'OWN' MIND!!! i mean, the creator did give you a mind didnt he? and understanding? and the ability to analyze. no no no anything contradicting the book is the devil. well perfect! then i guess we are all stuck in it!

god writing this just reminds me how ridiculous it all really is. that will be the day of enlightenment. when people follow their own beliefs and start to think for themselves.

religion never brought about anything good. not to humanity.

let me tell you what you all are going to do. you are going to sit there and laugh at my post. your laughter will come from pride and appreciation that you "know" (and believe) the way to be....haha, saved. (as if there is something to be saved from). well let me remind you, pride is a cardinal sin. oh and if you are pitying me, dont. i have my own beliefs. a god can accept me how i am. because god doesnt judge. people judge

Originally posted by randyvs

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Jesus Christ is the only ONE in history, who qualifys to be a sacrifice.
he willingly shed his blood FOR the sins of the whole world
he is your free ticket" admit ONE " accept it (never forced on anyone)if you want to see the show. makes sense to me.
the bible tells you in plain english what is goin down, if you show up to a movie in the middle .it's nice to have read the book so you know what's
goin on. if you don,t believe in Christ YOU are fooling yourself.
sorry there really is no arguement and no other way.
the only theory i have on the whole thing is this.
it must be his way of sorting us out.
just sayin( everything that should be said)
almost forgot accepting Christ isn't that tough.
rejecting him is. i have my ticket.
cause i'm not missin this one.

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This post is hilarious, I hope you are actually joking, but I don't think you are. Talk about a typical blind ignorant christian. So He is the only one worthy of sacrifice? What about the service people who die so that we can enjoy the freedoms we so enjoy? What about the parents who give up their dreams by working 2 or 3 dead end jobs so that their kid can have a future? What about the firefighter who risks his neck to save someone from burning alive? There are endless stories of sacrifice in this world and at least those are proven true stories, your jesus fable is not proven. Don't even try to give me the "It's in the bible" b.s, because that book full of it. Why is it that an emperor of Rome (Constantine I) had to preside over a council (nicea) to pick and choose over what is to be put into the bible and to decide the divinity of jesus?

Of course there were other councils that discussed these things but don't you find it a little suspicious that it has been proven that the book that is "the word of god" and the jesus story and status were decided on upon a group of men and a biased emperor that if disagreed with him, they were either exiled or put to death? Perhaps you should look into all of this more clearly. The bible doesn't say what is going down in plain english, the events have happened, which I'm sure the followers have made sure happened as they are doing right now. Not believing in christ is about the most un-foolish thing I have ever done, maybe you ought to give it a try. Might open that mind of yours up a little bit. Never been forced on anyone?

Please, look into the history of christianity and tell me that is not forced? Look at christians now, this thread is an example of it, as well as you are. You all have this need to try and convert people, but haven't you ever wondered why? It's to bring more numbers into the cult. Also, baptizing a baby, and making them go to church, making them read the bible, and telling them what they are going to believe in sounds pretty forced on anyway. How is it that a baby or a child need to be saved? Hogwash. This goes for any religion, as well. According to you, there is no arguement and no other way? Again, typical christian nonsense. No arguing, no questioning, just believe because you are told to if you want to be saved and read this book or be corrupted by satan!"

Also, why does one need a ticket to get to "heaven"? What is the purpose of needing such a ticket? Contrary to what you people have been led to believe, we humans aren't damned the moment we are born. No one needs to be saved throughout their life. We were created and life will go on and nature will take it's course. When you just focus on the creator, which is great because god can be whatever you think it can be cause there is no proof of it's existence! And mix in reason, and you are free from your bondage. The cage is open, all you have to do is have courage to walk out of it.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Be careful, you might actually have to make them think about something here! It's to much effort and it might scare them.

reply to post by Evangelical


Umm hasn't anyone else figured Jesus Christ out yet???? It's clearly a

metaphor, for how a good christian should act. I mean come on a once

Jewish man that became this godly christian, that line right there has

propaganda written all over it.

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reply to post by rubbertramp


Although I'm not a catholic at all, I've also wondered your question for a long time. I thought his appreanace would differ as well, if he were truely ever alive. take a look at this website: www.keyway.ca...

Take it with a grain of salt but it is quite interesting and I believe furthers the fact that the bible doesn't give a concrete explanation.

I'm 100% sure that LOVE is the only way.

Every single religion ever created by man has said the same thing: LOVE.

You all can stop arguing and fighting now. The answer is LOVE.

What IS Love? 4,750,000,000 internet website hits for what is love?

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

If this guy Michael Travesser says he is the Messiah, doesn't that compare?

Travesser does have some followers that think he is the REAL messiah. (not many though). But Jesus didn't have that many followers until years after his death, who is to say the same thing won't happen with Travesser?

I know it sounds strange but it is what it is and I would venture to guess, that God holds the copyright on the Son of Man and it can't be faked. This is how the elect will not be deceived in the last days. It won't be possible because they have been sealed.

Yes I agree that sounds strange. Somebody needs to let the followers of Travessor know that then, because if you ask them, they testify that he's the Messiah just like the followers of Jesus would have testified for Jesus. God Himself told Travessor that he was the Messiah in 2000, are you disagreeing with God?

(For the record I am not a follower of Travessor).

reply to post by Hazelnut


I'm sure the Crusades and the Radical Islamic movement were and are based on love too... I think you right the answer is love but more often then not thats not what religion teaches.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


I'm disagreeing with the mentally insane. The Easter bunny told me I'm the messiah, do you disagree with the Easter Bunny?

This thread, unfortunately, illustrates what is wrong with religion. When religion is used as a tool for the ego, it comes out sounding just like the OP. Jesus was indeed a fully realized and enlightened man, but those whose minds are clogged with fear and division cannot understand his message. They have missed the whole point, which is perhaps too simple for them to grasp. Unconditional love. Love of all things. The point is to become love itself and eliminate the divisions that you erect between yourself and the world.

I have cut and pasted an old post about atheism and religion. Both are missing the point.


The Guru Dialogues VII (Religion, Atheism, Spirituality)

Seeker – I’d like to talk about the difference between the religious person and the atheist. They seem incapable of reconciling. You see these huge and endless debates on the internet and in the publishing world. It has always seemed to me like atheists have just closed off their minds, and are relying on science and the scientific method to dictate what they can and can’t believe. At least the devout Christian has a bit of faith in something larger, more vast than himself.

Guru – Are they really so different? I mean fundamentally, in the way that they are approaching the issue of God, are they really any different?

S – Definitely. One believes and the other doesn’t.

G – I would say that both believe absolutely and categorically. Both have thought themselves to a conclusion and believe with absolute certainty. Their minds are made up and, at that level, they are the same. The Atheist believes that death is an absolute end. They are certain of this and will accept no other opinion unless it is backed up by scientific proof. The religious man, perhaps he is a Christian, but he could be of any other faith, believes with absolute certainty in the existence of the soul, and that the soul lives on after death. He is willing to argue this with passages from the bible, the Koran, the Talmud. He too will defend his position in a close-minded way, fighting against the arguments of the other, holding his ground at all costs, deaf to what the other is saying.

S – Ok, ok…We’ve been down this road before. You’re saying that both are mental arguments, and as such are missing the whole picture. A metal concept can’t capture reality, what is….etc, etc…I don’t know, the way I see it, at least the devout Christian believes in goodness and the power of love.

G – Actually, I would say that atheism can serve as a blank slate in the process of spiritual development. The accumulated doctrine of organized religion is swept aside by the truly atheistic point of view. If the atheist is then willing—at some later point—to re-examine his or her views, to go beyond the mental world they have created for themselves, this blank slate can become a springboard for spiritual development—an uncluttered room. Atheism, then, is not in itself a negative stance. It was a stage that I myself went though.

S – Why do the atheist and the religious fundamentalist stop and not continue their inquiry, then?

G – As always, the answer is fear. The Christian who needs to believe absolutely in heaven and a god as a concept is frightened that there may be no solid god, no actual gates of heaven. The atheist believes he is far braver, since he considers that he has set aside such childish illusions. But really he too is avoiding the same unknown, the same emptiness that frightens the religious man. He accepts his "terrible" fate, his "final end," the cruelty of a random universe, but he will not accept the limitations of his own mind. He will not accept that he cannot, given enough time and a large enough brain, know everything. Both are afraid. Both are avoiding reality.

S – So what about you then. You’ve talked about god, about the power of love…all that stuff. Are you not also avoiding?

G – I am not avoiding the limitations of my mind. I have seen those limitations and that has freed me up to experience the universe as it is. It cannot be known with mind but it can be experienced. Its ultimate nature is love, and we are each that love. Atheism and religious beliefs are seen to be as invalid as any other collection of thoughts—they pale in relation to the infinite.


You do not understand Jesus, or Buddha or any relaized man until you become unconditional love.





[edit on 15-7-2009 by Silenceisall]

Well, this is certainly chucklesome... there have been some people of faith here that have posted wisely and nobly(?), unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the majority and it's not selling me on religion. The general consensus seems to be god is some big bogeyman that's gonna screw me over, nice.

If we're chucking texts into the ring (of fire), then here's my offering, although I think the Marquis De Sade was generally a syphlitic madman/fantasist and incredibly distasteful, he did produce this gem.

www.freethoughtfirefighters.org...

Especially to the OP here, as I suspect the answer to this already...

What colour was jesus' skin?

darth lumina, no joker 13.

i did a quick search and have yet to go through the threads.
interesting question for sure.

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What did jesus look like??, page 1
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Discusion about What did jesus look like?? in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Political Ideology.
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What did Jesus really look like?, page 1
20 posts - 10 authors
Discusion about What did Jesus really look like? in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Conspiracies in Religions.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread415314/pg1

i'm pretty sure the shroud was deemed a fake, so that website doesn't seem reliable.
here is the latest i could find.

discovert on shroud

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Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Since you want things equal, what about the bestiality orgs - and the incest orgs - should we allow those to be taught to our school children as well?

Open the door for one and you have to open it for everyone.

I'll leave the peadophilia and bestiality to the priests thanks...

reply to post by Solomons


Nonsense you say? Actually there is no mention of rapture in the bible so in a sense you are correct.

However the bible does talk about a "catching away" when we will all be "changed in the twinkle of an eye" this is what christian are calling the rapture. the "catching away". And it is exactly what the new age are calling a "transformation". It has to do with DNA and hyperdimensional physics. It's very deep science of the esoteric nature. I believe very soon we will see 2 raptures a fake one(carried out by aliens/angels) and the real thing as we approach the center of the 2012 and precession is complete. The true children of light will vibrate at such a high rate we will become light beings again and be changed to be flesh and BONE( not blood). We Christians will be changed into light beings ruling the universe with Christ with love and purity. Of course before any of this Jesus told us we would be hated by everyone incuding our own family betraying us. Could it be that after many people are mass abudcted by the fallen angels/aliens everyone hates and blames christians mistaking it for the Christian raptures? mmmmmm could be....that would make sense then the world turns on all Christians claiming we all have aliens inside us or something has changed with the DNA of Christians... who knows.. but to say it's foolishness....bahahaha dooooood ....doooooooooooooood.. seriously your just mistaken and uninformed...sooo mistaken.

Peace,
FG


You my friend calling the rapture nonsense just shows the ignorance of the masses to the events at hand.

Jesus said many things describing the days we live in. If I were you i would search for the truth and lay down your atheist mantle for that is FOOLISH.

Originally posted by Silenceisall
Atheism and religious beliefs are seen to be as invalid as any other collection of thoughts—they pale in relation to the infinite.

So to sum up your post, all religions with firm beliefs are wrong, atheists are wrong, and the one true "religion" is Agnosticism. Well Buddhism might sort of qualify too, it has some agnostic qualities.

I congratulate you for presenting such an eloquent argument for this position, well done. That seemed to be sort of the point of Bill Maher's Religulous movie also, though I must admit his presentation was funnier than yours, but he's a comedian so what do you expect? Anyway, well done post!

reply to post by Evangelical


I honestly believe you are not yet ready to accept the truth, even if it presented itself to you.

The shear amount of documented suffering that has been created through the strict following of a book written by man, is enough to make one's stomach churl.

Every time a Christian believes they will go to heaven while their neighbors will burn for an eternity because they do not believe in the teachings of Christianity, Satan smiles.
All people are brothers and sisters, and hell is what you make of it.
Judge not lest ye be judged, and love thy neighbor as thy self have no room for damnation and the desire to purge humanity in the fires of Revelation.

You call the Illuminati the agents of Satan, yet they are responsible for the car you drive, the printing press that printed your bible, the clothes on your back, Federal Student Aid, modern medicine, the electricity that lights your churches, and the machines that produce the food you thank God for at every meal.

They personify those who stare into the light for so long that they are blinded by their own accomplishments. Pity them and those who suffer. We all suffer and pay for our sins every day. If you do not question your religious leaders, they will march you straight up to the gates of hell while they tell you it is heaven.

Even a good shepherd eats sheep. He may love them, guide them and provide for them everything he thinks they need, and the Illuminati and God behave no differently. It is all a matter of perspective.

You can accuse me of being a sinner, a blasphemer, a deceiver, or whatever else you want, but Satan means accuser and I really wish you could understand how judgmental even the title of your thread is.

May God have mercy on your soul.

You're right on target, dude... Jesus is the only way. Short, sweet, and to the point.

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