Jesus Christ is the only way

reply to post by Evangelical


My point was is that Jesus is the message.

Originally posted by Evangelical
Moses wrote Genesis to Deuteronomy, that's all that matters there.

Archaeology proved the Bible as a know it was agreed upon as the word of God long before the council of nicea.

Agreed upon by whom, exactly?
And the word of which God?
Archaeology doesn't prove the Bible at all. For example, the historical evidence for Solomon outside of the Bible is pretty much nil.

Edited my post because someone already asked roughly the same question, and got the 'answers' I expected.

Chrono

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Chronogoblin]

Matthew 5-7:27 (King James Version)

Matthew 5

1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 6

1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

16Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

reply to post by Evangelical


Could you provide your source to this? History says that Christianity was very disorganized and practically tearing Rome apart until Constantine presided over the council of nicea and it was decided then how christianity was to be united. Which of course isn't, because there are so many different sects of christianity out there that it seems you people are the most divided of all the religions. In fact, much of what the story of Jesus is, was written approximately 300 years after his death, that is longer than the entire history of the United States. Every single religion is a cult. Christianity is the biggest. Why are these so called prophecies coming true?

Because the followers are making sure they come true so that no one leaves the religion because it was proven as it really is, a scam to control people. Don't you realize you are actually wasting time thinking you need to be saved and wasting time with the bible because none of this trash will not make a difference. Humans are damned the moment we are born. Going to church will not give you some magically connection to god, bowing to some pastor, priest, rabbi, etc etc will not appease the "lord" either. You want a close connection to the divine? Pay more attention to nature, and you'll realize that the bible We are just little bitty bits of dust in the grand scheme of things, but still part of it nonetheless. Here's a really good quote about the bible I found on religioustolerance.org that goes into what I think on this:

"If you take a copy of the christian bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind." by an anonymous Native American woman.

Truth is through nature and the only way to feel god, creator, supreme alien, etc whomever you choose to view it. The best part of freedom is, that you can believe whatever you want without any hookie pookie superstitions, no giving yourself up to god or jesus, no limited yourself to the fairy tale rubbish that is within the bible, none of that. It is a breath of fresh air. God cannot be proven or disproven currently, so I guess we won't be finding out until we die, so why stress? Just because some book told you to do so? How childish.

Originally posted by Evangelical
One of the greatest mysteries is that the Bible accurately predicts the coming of Christ and that in all the history of the world Jesus is the only one to have claimed He is the Messiah. The only logical conclusion is Jesus is the Christ. The NWO is probably real and is the instrument of Satan and we ate indeed nearing the end times.

Hi,
Jesus from my understanding refused the concept of being the Messiah. As a Jewish son he would have been well versed in the messianic legacy and well aware of its implications. And, at the time of jesus there were other miracle-workers who had also been thought of as the Messiah, and each refused it for themselves, just as Jesus did.

We must take into account how the fledgling "church".. for want of a better descriptive term.. under the leadership of Jesus' brother was altered tremendously by the hostile take-over under Saul who became Paul. All anecdotes relating to Jesus came about after Paul's take-over, and that includes the addition of Jesus being "God's only son", Jesus as the messiah and finally the worst lie ever perpetrated on humanity to date.. that "Jesus dies for your sins".... yes, that one has kept millions under control for a very long time. Paul has a lot to answer for in changing the entire belief-structure left behind by the "supposed" death of Jesus.

I do agree we are in what can be termed the last days/end times. We only need to look clearly at the world around us to see where it is heading and at what speed it our modern cultures are declining.

Interesting times ahead then.

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Tayesin]

Originally posted by Evangelical
Jesus told us to hate our own family in relation to loving Him. If they would not love Jesus don't allow your love of them to lead you from Christ. Even if you must turn from them.

Ah, the "legendary" divide and conquer legacy of Jesus, lol.

Partially explains high divorce rate among Christians today, I believe that they even rank highest among all the religions out here, kind of sad and hilarious at the same time

reply to post by rogerstigers


Since you want things equal, what about the bestiality orgs - and the incest orgs - should we allow those to be taught to our school children as well?

Open the door for one and you have to open it for everyone.

i find the sermon i posted above basically the most trustworthy part of the new test. his own words, also contradicts a high number of people back then and today whom claim to know what he said and meant..

reply to post by rubbertramp


That's not a sermon - it's text from the Bible.

Christian divorce rate is about 22% while the national average is 50+%.

That is neither here nor there. Regarding the validity of the Gospel Jesus most certainly claimed divinity.

Also the book of Jonah so accurately prophesies the coming of Christ as to make one cry.

The book of Jonah is like reading a synoptic Gospel written 600-800 years before it would happen!!!

This thread is scary.
I think I go and watch my favorite documentary Religoulus.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

Since you want things equal, what about the bestiality orgs - and the incest orgs - should we allow those to be taught to our school children as well?

Open the door for one and you have to open it for everyone.

That was my point EXACTLY! If you let everyone have their say with no limits, then you will have anarchy. But on that same note, who gets to decide which point of view gets heard? That's simple... the ones with the most power. That's been the way throughout history. So if the religious fundies can manage to get the various pieces of the government filled with their flunkies again, then we can go back to pretending everyone else is a christian. If not, then we have to accept that the power base is shifting and differant points of view will now be tolerated.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

That's not a sermon - it's text from the Bible.

Um, aren't those supposed to be the words of jesus and didn't he give sermons and aren't those in the Bible?



[edit on 7-14-2009 by rogerstigers]

If I may throw my two pennies in...I think that a belief in Jesus, and I speak only for myself here. I think that it has to be more than believing the words in a book. It is more than a feeling, its an experience. I think that out of fear of ridicule, most people do not like to discuss their experiences. I don't care what others think of my beliefs. they are mine. I don't ask others to believe simply because I do. In short... Until you experience Jesus, you probably aren't going to believe... I hope that made sense!

Back to this again ...

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Argh ...

The bible is in part a book of great wisdom and teachings ...

It is NOT a cook boook or a how to book.

It is however just a book.

reply to post by Greenize


It does indeed make sense. It is the reason I believe the things I believe. Because I feel them to be true in my heart. That's what religion and "belief" should be all about anyway.

I have a lot of doubts about Christianity. I was raised in a Christian home, the son of missionary parents. I pursued reading and studying the Bible myself with much dedication as I became a young adult. The more i read it, however, the less I believed it to be the accurate. Paul, I would say, is a huge example that the Bible is not the word of God. I think he represents the biblical definition of "antichrist".
But if you just look at the overall story of Christianity and compare it with the majority of other pagan myths from here and going back thousands of years you will see that it is just a recycled story made to personify the animals of the zodiac and it changes with each age (the current one being Pisces, which is why you have a symbol of a fish to represent Jesus).

Also, if you are going to quote the Bible please refrain from using the KJV. It is very inaccurate as King James would have monks executed if they did not interpret it the way he wanted them to.

reply to post by Katerna


i agree, but as far as the sermon on the mount, i'm assuming that's at least part, it really doesn't change much between translations. unless i'm wrong, been a while.

self proclaimed christians i've personally been semi-feuding with lately.
evangelicals, my opinion your translation of passages, and the importance you give them is way out of line to my views.

and, for some reason here in new mexico and arizona there is a huge boom in what i call militant christians. many beliefs of mine are very similar, stock food and ammo, guns and gold, and prepare for the worst. i split ways when the whole christian society issue come up. i wish we were truly fighting for the same issues.

Originally posted by 5thElement

Partially explains high divorce rate among Christians today, I believe that they even rank highest among all the religions out here, kind of sad and hilarious at the same time

Kinda blows the whole "sanctity of marriage" thing that christians are always on about, doesn't it?

yeah I love that statistic lol