Total Emergency Alert Hate Bill Going Forward In Senate

im not sure i get the bill but i just finished reading it, it can be found here
www.opencongress.org...#

so far it has 408 no votes and very few yes votes...i also found at the bottom, the last statement made on this bill is this:

9(4) FREE EXPRESSION- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual’s expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual’s membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs.

no i am not a genius and i think i get what this is saying but if someone could put it into english that would be great.....in fact explain the bill in english please....they put so many unneeded words in there the common person cant understand half of its meaning..

So if the bill has 400 no votes, what are we worried about? There's a lot of crackpots in congress. My personal favorite congressional crackpot is Mark Kirk and his jesus conservative insanity.

Here's one implication:

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Get the word out.

TA

[edit on 14-7-2009 by TheAssociate]

I strongly disagree with this bill. I can understand where they are coming from with this bill but it is a step in the wrong direction.

People should be free to say what they want. Not only is it part of the freedom of speech, but it is essential getting rid of problems. If people are not allowed to say something because it might hurt someone's feelings that is not solving the problem. The mentality is still there, it's just not being said. That's not solving the problem, it's just moving it further out of sight.

Me personally, I would rather let someone speak their mind so I know their true colors. I am not going to feel hurt or sad, I am going to know how that person truly feels. Just because someone says something does not make it true. Often times people end up sticking the foot in their mouth when saying things this bill would be making illegal. Those types of comments don't hurt me, it just shows everybody what type of person they are.

Not the internet this web site, we play by ATS rules..

reply to post by Lazyninja


Are we talking about HR 1966 ??
If we are, we're screwed...

reply to post by 12.21.12


Truly that's not to nuts of an idea. It will take grass roots effort to change this mess.

There are more, or less two major levels in all this manipulation. One is the power elite bozos; which are the puppeteers, then we have the polipuppets.

Doesn't matter which one we're talking about. They are surely outnumbered by the shear number of US. We truly have the deciding 'vote'(per say).

It's just a matter of speaking over the massive Main Stream Media, and other assaults to OUR Intelligence.

Reaching Each other, and creating a grass roots movement; which is not "republican", "democrat", but truly "American"; truly about FREEDOM.

That's the answer. Hey we are doing something right now. We can build on this whether in this thread, another thread on ATS, or wherever the idea fly's..

Here's a thought, a fire is started with a single spark; that fire can become a raging inferno.

reply to post by Oeden


Hey, you got me. I know which choice I'll take, and my family too for that matter. We may have been bred as "pond scum"....so the elites call all of us, but We Are Truly The People, And The Masses. I'll gladly die fighting should it come to that.

Hell, I say let them try to pass it. If it fails, on to the next crisis. If it passes, let them try to do something about it. Either they need to put up or shut up and as soon as they put up, the masses will rise up.

But then I am tired and probably shouldn't be writing comments on forums when I am running on empty... *smirk*

reply to post by 22-250


It doesn't matter who's house you're in or who's computer you're on. If ya hurt someones feelers yu spend the next two years in a 6x8 with Bubba.

Yes let them pass it. The court system would be overwhelmed. The police would be overwhelmed. Hate would be everywhere. Suing people for hate crimes could become a daily chore with financial rewards. We can ask for more rights and special priveledges and come up with special causes and special interest groups. We could have a mudslinging fest like Jerry Springer everyday!!!!!!

reply to post by tasim


They're apparently trying to 'piggy back' this bill onto the back of another more important military spending bill.

On the note of "english".......that's a tough one. For example Black's Law Dictionary has multiple additions. You can go back to one the older ones...let's say from the 30's, and the same definitions from that one are entirely different from the current Black's Law Dictionary.

This means that what we "think" we're reading we are actually not; because we didn't read the correct dictionary where the meanings of the original words came from.

Remember during the impeachment of Bill Clinton, he asked for definitions of words such as "of, and, etc"................He wasn't being ignorant..... He was being a professional.

reply to post by SPC_D

I ask you ATS because there is a tension I can feel it just below the surface it's rising and one day perhaps, a day to soon it will rise and over take this land I love so much the people I love, the American people! you, me, the world we all have a hand in what is going on in the hear and now this moment is ours and we need to take it back, we need to let our voices be heard as a people not as a race or religious or class AS A PEOPLE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! It is imperative that our voice is heard. how is it that our voice is heard now that everything has gone wrong in government? That is the question people that my friends is the question

I really hope you take this post and make a thread out of it. I know I'd support it.

*sigh*

read the bill maybe?

another sad day for ats.

its a shame.

rense.com and religious fanatics are actually being listened to. and so many here complain about the religious fanatics of the middle east.

pot...meet kettle.

Originally posted by Sundancer
reply to post by CuriousSkeptic

 

The hate bill essentially says that if we hurt someones feelings online - we get arrested...

really where?

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Animal]

just found this.. www.delmarvanow.com...

he says the following that really ticked me off..
Most importantly, the bill protects the First Amendment and does nothing to diminish the right of free speech or the freedom to assemble.

reply to post by tasim


love the reality your sharing, sadly here it is likely to fall only on deaf ears.

this is after all an episode of squidbillies.

Originally posted by Sundancer
reply to post by Lazyninja

 

Are we talking about HR 1966 ??

I didn't think so at first, but it looks like you're right. I guess the NY times article totally skimmed over the actual alarming bits and just presented it as something nice and fluffy. It really appears like a totally different bill they way they presented it.

The Hate Crimes Prevention Act which has passed the House of Representatives by an overwhelming margin is now facing hearings in the Senate. There are already similar hate crime laws in place, however, this bill imposes much stronger federal enforcement, which is a clear violation of the Tenth Amendment. It grants greater power to federal prosecutors to prosecute hate crime laws by prosecuting those who have been found innocent by local or state courts. The current bill will extend special privileges to gays and transgender individuals that are currently only granted to ethnic and religious minorities. The most dangerous part of the Bill which is a direct assault against the First Amendment is that it allows for the prosecution as accomplices in a hate crime for talk show pundits that the person who commits the alleged crime claims to influence their actions.

Here is the essential text:

Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)

Source here: (link code doesn't feel like working )
www.examiner.com...
The site says the bill passed the house of representatives by an overwhelming margin. Can it still be shot down?


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CuriousSkeptic
We're worried because these crap laws get passed when someone changes ONE word! Today they SAY its 408 no - Tomorrow they tell us it passed because they added a protection for gerbils also.
Not that I mind gerbils... I'm just saying.

TheAssociate
Now that's thinking! Good job.

rogerstigers
You made perfect sense to me

Tornmind
Great thread. I needed that.

reply to post by Styki

I agree with you entirely. Each to their own, and each to their opinion; as long as they do not try to violate another person's rights.

reply to post by Animal

"Sigh",
I'm guessing you feel absolutely confident in the US Govt. looking out for the well being of all. They looked out for Central America by creating genocidal Banana Republics. They looked out for us when they passed the Patriot Act. Oh, hey, they looked out for us when they created RICO............... Oh, that's right, RICO hasn't hardly touched actual organized crime. It's been used more against the average person; look it up.

reply to post by tasim


It seems to me that this Hate Bill is bad. Again, how do you define the language with which it was written. Do you believe the polipuppets with the overwhelming amount of legislation which is currently binding us into servitude? What about the numerous bills in which had last minute addendum's in the range of several hundred pages? Look at the Patriot Act for one......

reply to post by Animal


HA HA HA, squidbillies.... "sigh". Okay, no need to tell me more. You are in complete support of all legislation. Yes, pass it all. I'm sure you won't mind any of it.

I do, I don't want to be told what to think, or what I can say. It is a fact regarding the fly by night addendum's. This Hate Bill is flat out bad. Piggy Backing it on something necessary will be very bad; just watch.

reply to post by TornMind

Here's a thought, a fire is started with a single spark; that fire can become a raging inferno.

I hate to say it but we need this to slip through and let them get what they are bargaining for. We need mindless legislation like this to get through or there will never be a revolution.

Sadly the people who come up with this fluff think this would help their cause. Never underestimate the limitations and opportunities utter stupidity and incompetent leadership can create. The possibilities are endless.