To not fear TPTB go get drunk with them.

reply to post by Kaytagg

mindless people who are, apparently, very easy to fool.

if this implys that there are some people, who are not easy to fool.
then that sounds like wreckless challenge on your part.

reply to post by toltecnightmare


Oh not the Bar my friend... The back rooms at the best clubs, the whores who service the rich and famous, private parties from Hollywood to Manhattan to the Biltmore and back again... Summers in the Hamptons, Winters in LA at times... The best private parties...

And as much as any of that

The Zionist threads that are so ridiculous...

I am related to the highest of Jewery in the end... and it's all retarded, the support of Israel comes from a precised notion of extermination because of the past...

There is nothing to that conspiracy... aside from a high value on education and a culture that really likes money and is driven to try and be of all things...Philathropists... od course screwing up along the way as often as not...

But more than anything the perception of some grand jew conspiracy in the world led me to examine the other conspiracies

and jewography as I liked to call it ROFL, opens allot of doors when you have the right near relitves...

and

Mostly these guys were CLUELESS

so I asked... is the Church any different

or the Arabs

Or The CEO's of America... or the Saudis or anyone else, the masons etc, etc...

No

I have never found anything more than glorified Fraternities

Putin, you know... the guy likes power... he also enjoys fishing lol

Cheeny is fascinated by WMD's...

actually so am I...

Is he in Cahoots to destroy the world, enslave us no...

the real truth is they just go to work and their job happens to be running IT

But they are human...

Do they wish to Bankrupt the US... From a north American Union

Sure some do...

Bankruptcy would clear the debt... it's a decision being made at a job and if Obama did have sex with a man or smokes or whatever... it just means he's just lie the rest of us.... prone to temptation

But does he wish to enslave us... lol no...

I agree and disagree, but what can we expect from a topic so huge?

I agree in the sense that many people in High Places are high very often, buy hookers and drink and sin like the rest of us; just on a different level.
Where I gamble away 10 bucks at a roulette table in Vegas, they gamble by the thousands. Where I buy a pre-made sushi lunch pack from Safeway, they eat it off a naked woman's body at an exclusive party.

The excess spending can be seen as highly immoral when compared to other people's poverty, but it is a sliding scale with many grey areas and I'm sure all of us do the occasional excess spending so it's fairly easy for them to not trip on it. Especially when everybody in their direct environment is doing the same or worse.

But where I disagree is this: when they are sober, they may be heading a company that exploits the workers, or when in trouble they may lay off workers rather than cut back on their own share of profit. Some businesses or decisions are so huge they involve the fate of thousands, and where one would call it a business meeting, someone else xcould call it a conspiracy. Just a simple matter of perspective.

You state that many of these people are nerds who played D n D and they just want to live out their nerdy fantasies... but along the same lines, do you think it is impossible that some of these nerds have turned into psychopaths and some parts of their D n D desire includes ruling the world as an evil Lord? Wouldn't it be easy for them to recognise others and conspire for mutual interest?

And besides this, the very nature of our Capitalist system is that business will grow, swallow smaller businesses and grow even more. SOme businesses are now so huge that they transcend Nationalism, so they started callling themselves Multinational.
The bigger they get, the less they care about their employess, which is evident I assume.

So, regardless of whether there are evil psychopaths with nerdy fantasies of being a dark Sith Lord or not, Capitalism itself has a grand plan in it's DNA: Globalism.

In short: I agree that people get way too paranoid about 'elitists' but I disagree with the 'nothing to see here' message.

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reply to post by mopusvindictus


I think a lot of the 'average joe americans' so to say, tend to forget about the human factor. As one the very average people of this planet even i forget about the human factor. The people that hold places in government and big business have to keep a good public profile... keep the face i guess. So you know when they have some private time among trusted friends they are going to party their rich keesters off.

I'm not making excuses for them. If you hold a psoition of extreme responsibility, say president for example, you should be held accountable for all the actions yyou choose to make. But there is no doubt that when it comes right down to it they make mistakes and screw up as much as the next guy. The difference is magnitude; when i screw up at work i might have to pull some nails and start over woth new wood: when they screw up in government and big business people lose jobs, people die, and stupid bills get passed as knee jerk reactions.

I guess what i'm trying to say is I understand why Dubya drinks and does blow, and i get it about the Bohemians and their druidic style orgies, but thats still no excuse. They are still the people in charge of our countries well fare and they cary large burdens. They need to be held just as accountable as the rest of us.

If i got caught doing some of the things they have been caught doing i would get locked up in prison. They get caught and get a smack on the wrist. Thats where my problem lies. If all things are supposed to be equal among men they should get locked up just as quickly as us 'normal' guys would. I know thats a fantasy though, becasue things are obviously not entierly equal.


Great thread mopusv.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


It is true, the 'elites' are people just like us trying to get power over people like us because that is the society of survival we live in.

The real 'elites' are hidden and they are of neutral purposes, given the right to control by governing forces (Of Divine length ). They have no intent of becoming powerful because they understand the physical is unimportant, plus they are, born into power.

To take over the world -- These elites are already in control with divine law as there defense, they don't want to become rich in wealth, fame, and control, they know the physical is of unimportant quality.

The conspiracy of the elites is off, because nobody knows of the true elites, they think "oh the bush's", well the Bush family is just a rich powerful family, the violin is just given to them to play by true puppet masters.

The point is you are given the tools on this planet in this physical entity you can use them to progress or stay here, it is up to you.


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Lets say... i was not just a guy who in y time supplied party favors to these guys but rather one of them...

And... you looked at my book collection... My home...

You'd find a Necronomicon... tons of New Age crap... Porn on my computer probably... some of it likely a bit of color, Tarot Cards... you'd see I have a fascination with Aliens and talk a bunch of crud that (may or may nor be true) I have old Hebrew texts from g-d knows how long ago, books on how to make all sorts of devious things... Swords and stuff on the Feminine divine... weapons of all sorts I am allowed to posses at least... Everything from Edgar Casey to astrology to kabbalah

If elected to office...

Could I ever show my bedroom LOL

Not in a Million years

and do in actuality I desire anything other than world peace?

Of course not... I live in this world...

So how am I different than them?

Awnser: I'm not...

I have attended weird ceremonies lol, I have done drugs, I have been a very weird bird... it goes with the territory for me... I like to LIVE, to try things see for myself...

I was once a Psychopharmacology major in College lol

How do we assume CONSPIRACY based on behavior or thinking?

I own a Necronomicon... and I'm a JEW

Imagine if that got out while in office LOL OMG.... Imagine what people would come up with...

But lol... I run out to take pictures of Hummingbirds lol Who am I really?

In the end... A Big NERD with a few connections, just like everyone else in power...

If...some things I have said were made public during an election I'd be fried... lol, did they mean anything? Or was I just talking poop?

So... maybe I have worn robes in the woods a few times... and I have LOL

But i'm a fricken over imaginative goof ball...Not a Zionist who is trying to summon the antichrist

I have never seen A SHRED of evidence in my time, these characters are much different than Me... not a bit

And every bit of evidence that once in a while a lone nut job and his cronies goes rouge and freaks the whole world out and causes war...

But never, never a single thing has given me an indication that these people are in league to take over the world in a non benevolent way at the least...

Some of these guys like me have some pretty out there concepts they don't reveal..sure...true, true... guilty as charged

get really weird when left alone, stress and power.... it will do that

But are MOST of them bad guys... no, no way....

Cuba 1956. I was nine years old and remember leaving Miami, Fla with a group of my fathers friends for a fishing trip.

We ended up on Cuba. I wasn't allowed off the boat. We weren't there long after we picked up a man and his family that had owned the biggest tire manufacture in Cuba. They were Americans.

The government had taken over the man's business.

Early 60's USA. My fathers first election to public office. After the fanfare and swearing in ceremony my father took me around to met several people. Later at home that night he told me about one of the men I met being a local hit man.

Hospitality rooms: At 18 years of age I was finally allowed to go to adult functions with my parents. WOW what an eye opener.

I remember my dad ordering several bottles of liquor, wine and mixers to go in a motel room that was turned into a meeting room called a hospitality room.

My parents never took a sip around me so I questioned all the booze my dad was ordering his men to buy and take to the room.

Alcohol makes tongues wag and lips loose. Get A man drunk and he'll tell you almost anything he knows.

Penis Extensions: There are many types of penis extensions but I will talk about one, women.

At a party I attended with my parents I met a young woman my age and she became a friend of 30 years. She was a penis extension. She was very beautiful and had a smile that would win over the meanest person. She was with a very powerful man who was there without his wife.

We were in someones home on Sea Island , Ga. All the bathrooms were occupied. I had to go bad and so did she. Well. I suggested we retreat to the pool area.

So, there we were in a billionaires yard in the bushes by the pool wetting the dirt. Much to my dad's dislike she and I became hard and fast friends.

OP I know where you have been and where you are coming from. You speak the truth to a great extent. I Know because I was on the inside looking out.

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reply to post by randyvs


You can DISTINCTLY draw the line between those who attended the Big U's and those who didn't...

College to me serves no purpose other than to form associations... if your smart you can get any book from the book store for one 10th the price of going to the lecture... you can record any lecture via friends and never pay and e-mail any professor who...will likely respond...

So yeah it's about LIFE EXPERIENCE not Education other than documenting it...

And what does College teach that life in the real world doesn't...

Abundance...

If your 18 and you get a job and party away from a Univeristy, you associate with dealers and users and work hard... you learn that life is rough if you buy weed and can't pay for it you might get shot, if you loose your job you end up on the street where you are in Danger

At the Univeristy, everyone has some money given by the govt or by parents, even if you have to work you might be in a dorm next to g-d knows who's kid... you do dope or anything else it is likely the town will be ALLOT less hard on you because your parents in the end fund every job in town...

Yeah... The Univeristy sect is ALLOT more optimistic

Only thing I can say here is

STAY IN SCHOOL

Doesn't it all just boil down to greed?

- Wanting more money
- Wanting more sex
- Wanting more power
- Wanting more access
- Wanting more options

So yeah, they are just like most of the other materialistic humans in this sad, depraved world.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

speaking for my self which i do best. i wasn't trying to get to any one.i'm sure i didn't. but it does seem that you are.

Don't let the others get to you

if i were a cop. i'd want to know more about you.

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Who says I was talking about you? Mr. Conceited...

lol

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
...Not a Zionist who is trying to summon the antichrist

Is that a Straw Man?

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater shall we?
Not everyone who has a problem with Zionism does so out of a suspicion they want to summon the antichrist.
There are much more mundane and close to home reasons to be suspicious of certain agenda's:

Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it's not about geopolitics -- it's about bringing about the End Times.

Lobbying for Armageddon

reply to post by DrPaulisENKI


No lol, I haven't been in the white room with a Rockerfeller...

LOL if that means I haven't "done anything" you have quite some standards for success my friend...

I have been with and am related to personally people who have had the ear of a President, worked for a man who... was funded by the Carlyle Group and the rest doesn't matter

There aren't 20 people seeking to destroy or enslave us all, I have seen high enough up the ladder to know ineptitude and normal human nonsense when I see it, plots can't be carried out alone...

Of Course the Hitlers of the world do come along

But even He thought he was doing good by his people, he was just a nut case...

and it DOES Happen and i'm not saying trust infallibly

Just if they wanted us enslaved it would be hard to keep hidden from me...

If they wanted us dead they can do it AT WILL

there are right now Bio weapons with 99.9% kill rates... that's all it would take... there would be No need for media manipulation, no need to worry about what we thought if true depopulation was planned

They could have done it via Nuke a hundred times during the cold war, the same players are...still alive like Kissinger etc...

They simply don't want us dead... none of them really atm or it could and would happen...

If you can't see... that most of the plots suggested in here are simply waaaaaaaay to complex and unnecessary to deal with us if they wanted to your fooling yourself... again out of fear...

We have had the ability to end this civilization for 60 years now give or take... If that was the plan... they sure are taking their sweet time about it aren't they?

reply to post by Skelkie3


Actually I haven't I once got myself video taped in NY going into a Gotti affair by the Fbi... such is life... I was still 17 lol

I was there to get the coat check girl to come out for my buddy lol

and they just snapped away, who knows how many times similar things have happened to me...

and that story brings up a point...

I was 17, long hair, leather Mc... stoned off my gourd

and Gottis guys just let me walk right by only one guy asked where I was going and I told him and away I went

true story may I die if i'm lying

people really aren't as inaccessible as you might think in life...

The OP ain't a genius, he just appears to be so compared to the majority of the self-deluded on ATS.

Nice post

reply to post by baboo


NO I said... I know for a FACT he had no idea...

NONE... there are some kinds of anger that simply can't be faked and I provoked it one night and am glad I didn't end up in the Hospital

I have NO DOUBT he had no idea what went on...

Ofcourse you must be correct, you are the all knowing mopusvindictus, our politicians don't know anything and neither do the Bilderberg's or any ptb behind the scenes, but mopusvindictus knows what you do not, trust in mopusvindictus to know what can't be known.

Fact is mopusvindictus doesn't know diddly about diddly, he is correct in that we aswell don't know diddly, but lets not take the "whole truth" from another man that don't know diddly. Cock and pretentious and utterly yuck.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


You know i agree with those who said you are half right ... but can imagine by your own interpretation you believe what you say to be true. It's all a matter of "perspective" .. where you are coming from the perspective of a "Cato Calin type" as you said surely does not allow you to make such a bold assumptions as conspiracies are nonsense. You dont have to believe that 911 was an inside job or even that Kennedy was killed by more than a "magic bullet" to understand that there are those in very high positions who have and will always conspire against the rest of us ... this does not mean they chose to rule an "empire of dirt" .. but they do chose to rule. Had you been a bit less hasty with your examples ... i may have taken no issue at all. ..... that being said i sure would like to party with you!!

It's also important to add that I told a couple strippers from the Crazy Horse Too during my Cro-Bar days in ChiTown that i was a major league baseball player ...although lucky that I was that they bought my story that night .... i surely was not. Could have been the case from time to time in your dealings ...

reply to post by XXXN3O


Prices increasing...

YES

absolutely...

This is a good time to get rich... not a time to play, a time to work on ones self, a time to re address mistakes in life...

Not a time to be playing rockstar

absolutely... very precise and very valid...

and certainly having undertaken... for both health and wealth the act of ABSENCE... the task of living with little or nothing, of working on my spiritual health my physical health... as opposed to spending

yes it leads to epiphanies ...

the discovery that... I need nothing, that it is better this way, that my indulgences are wasted time and energy...

Yes... yes indeed

perhaps many Americans are walking this very same path... for good reason, survival

But from what I have seen... what i see every day

NO ONE put a gun to our head and made us spend

NO ONE FORCED us to take bad mortgages without examining the reality

Not to Drive SUV's and screw up the environment...

No one intentionally put pigs and humans and birds together to wipe us out

and many other things...

Companies can offer whatever they want WE took the bait... we all have been decadent to one degree or another...

To LOOK at TPTB... and say THEY wanted this, to me is to look for a scape goat for our won behavior, out lack of interest in education, our consumption of garbage foods, our apathy to politics...our very values as people

The Devil by legend can NOT come into your home unless you invite him...

I have known these people... many people, no more corrupt and selfish and lazy than the rest of us...

So Epiphany

yeah

In the end... that we are ALL to blame and it wasn't a plot against us... we did this to ourselves.

You got a fail for zero research put forth in this spiel. The only thing you have right is sexy worship and its more like p*nis worship.

reply to post by mellisamouse


(sigh) please educate yourself and read a book. Do you even know what the definition is of the word conspiracy?