To not fear TPTB go get drunk with them.

My post just got removed and I got two warnings and 1000 points deducted, so you will just have to imagine what I said about you and the OP!
I'll leave this thread so you both can bask in all the reflected glory you both are so desperate for.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


LOL...

You really have to READ through everything sometimes...

I stated more than once that... perhaps I could have provided a better title... that because my party days allowed me contact doesn't mean it's the only way and surely... the "Elite" do many things aside from Drink lol

Actually paints a bad picture when I tried to do the opposite

But are some so dense... as to not get the point that everyone is human and... CONTACT is the way to dispel your fears of those you perceive as a threat needlessly

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


I have no doubt... there are MANY lies in the 9-11 story

I just make the point that FEW were involved and most THEORIES involve way to many people and go in directions that are implausible given SCOPE

Take for instance...

Explosives in the tower...

I do believe they fell... kinda funny

BUT, if you were in charge and there WERE explosives in building such as these and you had to make a CHOICE

Let them fall... maybe sideways and take out half of lower MANHATTAN

Would you really want to tell people such a contingency plan is in place?

So... I do think, they dropped the towers...

But from reactions I see in here to very simple things, always VIOLENT always angry...

I think, while I was mad to be lied to

I think I'd lie too, i'm not sure when in that position, Some of the public leaves you with much choice but to lie...

Those of us ... with intellect get offended

But, it is true the guy next to me might not react as I would...

So sometimes we are lied to.

It doesn't mean they are out to get us...

Nor does it mean even IF there was a plot ... that the GOVT and every person in it was involved... I believe if it was a setup, even the President wasn't aware... that this was SMALL to be carried out.

So we simply have to find the MEN and not label, in the end OURSELVES

reply to post by cpdaman


The thread is Optimistic yes...

But history...

History only shows that... of Thousands of world leaders... Millions if you count the elite... every decade or so a sociopath somewhere attains real power

That means that

MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people are elected come to power and the worst they do is maybe fudge a little money or have some sex and rock and roll behind the scenes

and through those... MILLIONS

we get a genuine Sociopath periodically while the rest were simply HUMAN

Thousands and Thousands of men walk through Washington...

a Few are SICK

That's life

We can't hate because... sometimes someone is a nutjob, we can't claim the rich or the system is out to get us because by number really and truely these are mostly just human beings trying to help..

reply to post by ogbert


You have it dead on... ogbert

For me it was never about impressing people, maybe, maybe a little bit of... association for ego... a little

But I like to KNOW... I am scolding myself too, because there wasn't much to know...

I did get bored... if you read other threads you would see, even though I was in a very..."elite" area this past year I have been on an obsessive detox program... I don't party aside from going to have a drink once a week... and I think that's okay... I like to socialize...

but BOREDOM

My conclusion from in the past having taken it to that level and having still until LAST WEEK lived among them...

Is exactly as you say... it becomes something that doesn't Matter at all... it's boring, most of "The Elite" share the same varied opinions as you and I want to be loved and aren't worth the price tag...



I traded my convertible for an older Nissan (okay, I set fire to the convertible but that's a long story)

I moved from the richest neighborhood in the STATE to... the woods...

I am returning to University to finally go through sit still and get the PHD


It gets... Old and there is NOTHING going on aside from... when we talk in here our opinions are for... entertainment/reflection

and their elected or media watched beliefs go places and are used...

but it's basically the same cross section of people

Conspiracy, global conspiracy

NO

But... listen to some posters... imagine ATS is the Senate and examine some beliefs

Yes it is SCARIER that they are just people...

It's GOOD to watch... always be vigilant

But you have it... I am bored... being that I work in Games and Movies sometimes and I need to EAT, I actually find that a bit depressing at this time... that I will despite my Move away from it all...

Find myself spotlighted

It would be nice to publish and stuff and remain anonymous

sadly as I walk away to peace and quiet

and can work harder as a result I KNOW, I will have attention...

I'm a creative bird and... I can't remove that

I'm just saying life is hard for some of these people, being know from what I have seen has a ...pretty big price tag and i'm not talking about money...

Thankfully game designers and stuff don't have paparazzi and stuff lol and hopefully nothing I pick up a Camera or put to Pen ever goes to Hollywood while i'm Alive

But yeah...

Realization... when a KID I wanted these things and found NOTHING

That's a point of this whole thread...

This is a link the OP really needs to read so he can have a better idea of what is going on than that fueled by his hangover laden recolections...

It's all ok to blow a lot of hot air about just how nice and scared elitists can be, but unless someone has actually read up about psychopathy and social ladder climbing, which has been studied already, they won't realise for one just how big and far reaching the problem is and for two, the true nature of the personalities they are dealing with.

There aren't just cheeseburgers at the dark side, just manipulative people who are pathological liars, and who apparently have succeeded in making the OP have a positive opinion of them when the reality is they are a "den of vipers and thieves" to quote someone from the past.

reply to post by Badfuture


LOL you don't have a clue as to what i'm really saying, sorry for harshness...

You just SEE what you CHOOSE to BELIEVE

BAD FUTURE

I once had one too...

Thankfully the future is not written, it can be changed

MOPUS VINDICTUS

The Vindictive Mope...

Yes... for a short time after my divorce I was... a Vindictive Mope

Hopefully... in time, your name will serve to remind you every time you see it, of the path to walk that was EASY and you too will follow the Road less traveled...

May your future be bright

Have you heard anything interesting on Bill Clinton?

reply to post by Mindmelding


Why would One wish to Program themselves as to the Inner workings of True Evil?

Why should I want to believe and read a construct made in a mans mind as to What he PERCEIVES as EVIL and make it a part of my THINKING.

reply to post by YourForever


LOL Heard Yeah...

Pretty sure allot of it is untrue though

and pretty sure some Is True

I think... and have nothing Inside on him... He's a pretty cool guy, don't agree with his policies per say... I blame Political Correctness on Him and Hillary, not much a Fan of the 60's College sect and what they did as Adults...

Peace, Mandated is a Violent Action

I don't think them or Obama realize this...

reply to post by mopusvindictus


So you can think straight for a change?

Hey, I gave you my view, your mileage may vary. I'm not here to trample your free will or make you do anything you don't want to. So the decision to persue the route I offered you is yours.

I'm just stating that you don't really know what you're talking about and that link is a big part in correcting the situation.

This is a clever post with a clever lie: tptb are just ordinary folks like you and me, albeit morally and ethically challenged folks - so don't believe your lying eyes and tell yourself that what you know in your gut is just paranoid musings - no conspiracy from tptb - no siree- just a bunch of people who are into themselves and if that means chaos controls - well what do you expect from humans? such a low-level species after all - 9-ll an inside job? ha ha ha - you saw the planes and you know about obl? Giuliani knew nothing - of course not - Swine flu a conspiracy to help the creeps cull the population - no some screw ups occur from time to time from a lone scientist perhaps - no conspiracy - economic meltdown just the result of greed and idiot American home buyers - not a planned collapse - these are just folks like you and me - and of course these bar patrons are not the top ones -just a bunch of low-level lieutenants for the real culprits - but culprits none the less - reminds me of that syndrome when victims sympathize with the captor - can't escape so what the hell - feel sorry for them - Stockholm syndrome - but if this line makes you feel less frightened - go for it - just don't pretend it is anything but another lie - the world is coming apart at the seams - there is a reason for that-

reply to post by mopusvindictus


I know I said I was leaving this thread but I had to reply to your last post.
I don't know how you did it but I'm impressed.
I am in THAT place, caught between the headonistic, the hollowness and the mundane, this IS causing me to hate.
I think you have a few years on me man but with that last post, I'll take away alot more answers than I originally thought going into this thread plus that other guy taught me some punctuation lol.
This is why I love the internet, sometimes you find a truth in the last place you would expect...

Well Mopus, Im not sure how i feel about your idea, I think going out and partying while the world crashes around you has its pros and cons!

But I will say this.......that was the coolest video of Bush Ive ever seen! I think he'd be a cool guy to sit and have a few drinks with. He'd be just like in Harold and Kumar Escape From Guantonimo Bay!

That was also one of the longest OP's saying the same thing over and over again that Ive ever seen! Thanks for sharing that video and your thoughts, take care bro!

reply to post by Mindmelding


Okay I don't know what i'm talking about.

I live in a world where most people are simply people. By Majority and action living in this world as you and I do albeit perhaps with a slightly larger income.

I do not doubt that there are now and those who have been (obviously) sociopaths who have reached positions of power, I'd even say a healthy bit of Narcissism and success often go hand in hand.

Again I would say... Sociopaths have a difficult time achieving positions of actual power.

It happens but Everyone seeks to protect themselves, anger, even rage are normal human emotions, people who walk through life hurting others usually get taken down, from Saddam Hussein to John Gotti thanks to all nations having systems of criminal Justice, most Sociopaths have to be extremely careful to survive, many don't make it past their teens.

So on the side of The Elie there is a threat

The Sociopath

I believe mostly the elite genuinely are just people

You believe that because The Sociopath exists, Mostly this is what the Elite are. You believe people are out to get you, that a grand operation exists to hold back the human race, that there are groupings out to get you or I

Within the masses we have:

Paranoid Personality Disorder

Schizophrenia/Paranoid Schizophrenia

Psychotic Disorder

Delusional Disorder/Persecutory Type

Generalized Anxiety Disorder

Sleep disorders/varied (can lead to paranoia)

OCD (often associated with paranoia)

(An important feature of paranoid thinking is its centrality: that the paranoid person perceives themselves as central figures in an experienced scenario which may be either dangerous (persecutory) or self-exalting (grandiose) and interprets events which have no reference to them in reality as directed at or about them.)


No let's be clear here...

I'm saying that I have gotten to meet allot of people from many walks of life and that I have gone out often in "elite" social circumstances, have familial relations and have had my own moments of personal success, that I have NEVER found these people to be out to get the rest of us, that I didn't matter to them aside from a conversation at a bar or a good time and encountered NO agenda directly geared at persecuting the population at large. That Cops I have Known are Mostly regular guys even at the highest levels, that the wealthy I have met Mostly are people who have worked very hard and love their families and have no agenda of hurting anyone and that Politicians I have known and celebrities I have been fortunate enough to meet very often were simply LUCKY maybe a bit narcissistic at worst.

Your saying that...

They are out to get us... that Most of these people wake up in the morning and plot against the rest of us.

Snobbery is not illegal and not a crime

I make no claim to fame, beyond the real, I was a talented kid that happened to grow up in NYC and got to go to a good HS and had a few family members and mostly as LUCK would have it had the good fortune of knowing some people, I express regret actually that I have spent as much of my time as I have living instead of doing. My work in my adult life is now cut out for me having underachieved what i could have done with those connections instead of just going to the right parties very often or throwing a few.

You not having that good fortune are convinced beyond any reason there is some plot to keep you down.

So do you fall... Into the massive range of perceptual disorders that lead to paranoia?

I can say this, all of those disorders do not allow for success most often unless they strike AFTER having achieved it in life.

The elite Mostly are NOT riddled with conditions that... cause them to doubt themselves, make them live in a world where they are HELD BACK by the illusion that the world is out to get them.

So is this world more commonly filled with Sociopaths or conditions that can lead to Paranoia?

Now...

Obviously some will continue to insist that... the world and the Elite Mostly Are out to get them...

I am NOT discouraging those of us who would seek to find the FEW who are, those of us who look genuinely and seek to help others by identifying the handful that do have ill intent, and there are always some out there that have what we can call conspiracies, those who are monomaniacal, those who have evil plans...

A LITTLE BIT of PARANOIA... is a good thing, just like a Little Bit Of Narcissism is a good thing.

I am simply saying

If you believe, truely, that MOST of the Elite fall into this category, that the Govt as a whole... is out to get the people, there is an unseen force controlling the diplomats and spiritual leaders and business men, that MOST of these people do not have good wishes, do not wish to make a better world or are at worst...guilty of anything more than apathy which is found all around us regardless of race class or social structure...

Then perhaps, it is you that actually have a disorder... One of the Myriad of disorders that leads you to look at the world and believe a portion of it is out to get you.

I would leave you with this, Paranoia hand in hand with depression, is the single most common mental illness, it affects to one degree or another Billions of people perhaps... It's psychological, it begins with the words I Can't (meet her, make enough money, get in shape, get a job I love...) and it happens when we rationalize, make up reason to fulfill our negative expectations eventually it can spiral into a genuine mental illness, some times there are reasons things that hold us back... when you stop seeing them as OBSTACLES and START seeing them as Plots against you 99% of the time unless your a very genuinely critical thinker... looking for specifics, your going off a cliff

reply to post by visitor-mc


I just wont CREATE connections from what is mainly Action and Reaction...

You choose to see a grand conspiracy, you wish to put it all together, I'd say I'm a braver and more rational man, I can face that there is not something guiding and controlling my life... I'd say, the Grand conspiracy makes some of you feel safer than the absence of one and fulfills a primitive need to have an enemy.

I see 9-11 I DO NOT KNOW 100% who did it.

I see a president that reacted out of emotion and greed and perhaps for LOng Term gain

I see an economy that as a result partially of that Presidents actions and partially because of corporate Greed and partially simply because WE ALL LIVED ABOVE OUR MEANS is in failure

I see a New administration that very well MIGHT NOW be steering us to bankruptcy to escape this debt

and I do not see...

Connecting lines between most of those events

I do not glorify any of these men as coordinated players in such a direct fashion, it makes then nearly omnipotent,, powerful like Pharaoh and I KNOW they aren't that good lol, some of them wish... but NO

I will not CREATE Connections until I have real proof of them because then and only then would I fail to see real dangers that might be headed my way.

Originally posted by treemanx
Well Mopus, Im not sure how i feel about your idea, I think going out and partying while the world crashes around you has its pros and cons!

But I will say this.......that was the coolest video of Bush Ive ever seen! I think he'd be a cool guy to sit and have a few drinks with. He'd be just like in Harold and Kumar Escape From Guantonimo Bay!

That was also one of the longest OP's saying the same thing over and over again that Ive ever seen! Thanks for sharing that video and your thoughts, take care bro!

During the great Depression

Some men chose to go out for a drink....

Other men literally leaped from a building when they lost their portfolio

I was divorced 2 years ago and lost everything...

Should I have gone to the bar for a time or the roof top?

I met a guy... right before signing up here at ats, while sleeping on my buddies floor after having given my ex EVERYTHING... I went out and met a guy who introduced me to a guy who gave me 30 G, 50% stake in 50 websites I am to design, got me an apt in the wealthiest area of my city and... Gave me all year to settle things before even STARTING

Party while the world is Burning?

Thing is...

I was well aware the world wasn't Burning...

Roof top or Bar in a crisis... The Bar, and not a dive Bar either, one where there is people you'd like to meet... By a University, in a wealthy area, maybe the creative district of town... All of the above...

But Burn

or

Go make friends, create opportunities for yourself...

The answer isn't rocket science

See what both my thread Detoxification and Amazing results... and this Thread are actually about is how the mind influences reality.

The consequences when I did and did not take that very seriously

This thread is not about, how I partied lol... or who with. It's about how I perceive people and the results I got even in horrible situations.

Detoxification wasn't about any method, it's about how you treat yourself physically.

Both thread while being about radically opposite times in my life... are both about the same thing.

Treat yourself well, be proud of yourself no matter what circumstances you find yourself in... Don't carry negative belief systems.

Both are about Epiphanies not the actions that brought them about.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


What are we calling elite? If by socioeconomic status then no, I don't think all of them are sociopaths. However when in actual positions of real power I do believe there is a bias towards sociopaths, a selection mechanism, because they are willing to do more to get further, their lack of scruples is a competitive advantage, although I loathe to put it in darwinian terms. It's a stable dynamic, get an organisation with a few hundred people, put in place a vertical hierarchy based on competition and watch the paths backstab and lie their way to the top.

Once in power they show their true colours, and you get the type of social problems we have now and endless wars and the sickness industry and so on. Paths will be paths.

But not all rich people are bad. Not all businessmen are bad. Not all world leaders are bad. Just most of them, because of the 1-3% percentile of psychopaths in the general population and a selection process that favours them. Think of it as an evolution of male dominance rituals in primates.

Once you understand there is a psychological cause to social injustice the elites are easier to understand for what they really are: a psychopathically dominated class strata. Not all of them will be psychopathic, but the dominant bloodlines imo will tend to be, and there will be a lot of psychological damage to the people around them. One example is how bluebloods inbreed and force intra family marriages, which I have no doubt causes a lot of damage on the elite family women...

The OP is correct... the government is too inept to pull off most of the conspiricies it is accused of.

Almost all of my friends cheat on their taxes... the government can't figure that out but they can plan a major terrorist attack and fool most of the country? I doubt it.

The few who do find out about stuff like 9-11 ahead of time are either too stupid to know what to do about it or can't get through to their stupid bosses that something is about to happen.

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