Largest Sun Spot EVER found Today 7/7/09 - 60 to 80 times size of Earth!

reply to post by smurfy


I've always wondered if human beings were just a little egotistical in that we believe aliens must be trying to convey some sort of messages with crop circles. Maybe they just like doodling in corn/wheat. We've got art right?

reply to post by nunya13


No I am assuming that the crop circles have little meaning beyond a good prank that gives the creators pleasuse by reading all the wild explanations and discussions it creates. They might throw a few "clues" in there to get people going, but then the fun is too sit back and watch everyone run with it and start saying aliens, aliens, aliens.

reply to post by questioningall


I have an honest question for you. How do you get FACTS from smashed down crops in the shape of a picture? The only fact there is that there are crops smashed in some artistic shape. The rest is perception, interpretation, and conjecture.



[edit on 7-7-2009 by grapesofraft]

Originally posted by pazcat
Exactly it was a reply to a valid point, you cannot just ignore facts because it doesnt sit with your world view. The facts of this are clear for all to see, The OP is misleading, has been proven wrong, yet still follows up with this as gospel and has a bunch of loyal followers who are willing to ignore the truth and the only argument one can muster is 'you need to think outside the box'. Its a bit weak to say the least and doesnt wash in the real world.

Exactly --

I never understood some people's seemingly obsessive need to blindly believe in the things they read and hear on websites without even attempting to confirm the validity of these claims. Then, when other people use actual facts and science to disprove the validity of claims, such as what was in the article linked by the OP, those 'believers' say that the other people (the ones who quoted science and facts) are wrong because they don't think "outside the box"...

...and those blind believers call the people who attempt to validate what they read on the internet "sheeple"...how ironic.

I don't believe everything I read -- even if it fits "in my box". I attempt to validate everything, even the things that make sense to me. I'm not blindly saying that the Sun is acting normally; I took some time to confirm that the Sun is acting normally before I posted here.


[edit on 7/7/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Revel

 

1. They didnt predict anything that humans didnt already know was going to happen before the crop circles were created.
2. They didnt predict anything, just someone interepreted them to say it. So regardless of what you say about humans creating the crop circle it was at least a human that made a guess at what they meant. So it is us humans after all, no matter how you slice it.

So your telling me that Before June 20th, They new a sunspot, was going to appear on the sun on the 7th. A time when the sun its in its quiet stage? Doubt it...


EDIT: Sorry, not New... let me refrase... That the new sunspot (which appeared a fea days ago) Would reach its peak and possibly be the biggest sunspot ever recorded... People knew this a month ago and didn;t let anyone know? Yeah, ok... /Edit

[edit on 7-7-2009 by Revel]

Originally posted by questioningall
This thread is NOT going to be HIJACKED ANYMORE!!

I think it's pretty rich you are going to come onto a website you do not own and tell others what they are going to do. No one "Hijacked" your thread. People are simply disagreeing with what you are saying. You should consider growing a thicker skin.

There are ALWAYS people who try to hijack threads and get them OFF SUBJECT!!

If the mods felt it was off subject it would be dealt with. You need to quit throwing around baseless accusations.

reply to post by grapesofraft


OK let's see...

-observable phenomena
-sacred fractal geometry
-unanswered questions as to the creator of *some* of the circle circles, which just happen to have detectable radiation levels above background levels and expulsion cavities suggesting microwaves..
-A correlation with solar activity, ancient civilizations, spatial awareness..
-Increasing complexity, suggesting a learning curve..

I'm sure everyone can come up with more.

Originally posted by TSOM87
So when will this hit earth and do damage? I feel like a good Sun tan.

2ndline

Tsom87

Lol, it typically takes a few hours for a Solar Flare induced Proton Storm to reach Earth, but they have been known to commence forth with such a feat in less than 15 minutes, or as long as a few days.

Originally posted by Revel

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Revel

 

1. They didnt predict anything that humans didnt already know was going to happen before the crop circles were created.
2. They didnt predict anything, just someone interepreted them to say it. So regardless of what you say about humans creating the crop circle it was at least a human that made a guess at what they meant. So it is us humans after all, no matter how you slice it.

So your telling me that Before June 20th, They new a sunspot, was going to appear on the sun on the 7th. A time when the sun its in its quiet stage? Doubt it...

This sunspot did NOT just appear on July 7th -- it's been around for several days now...and it is perfectly normal for a sunspot to appear during a solar minimum.

Nothing out of the ordinary is happening with the Sun right now, so I don't know what kind of prediction that crop circle could have made, but it certainly wasn't about odd Sun activity.


[edit on 7/7/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

It is obvious OP is trying to exploit the crop formation to the utmost. Original message of the formation was alleged to be a massive solar storm of epic proportions on this 7th day of July. MASSIVE FAIL!

I for one do not rely on crop formations in order to predict future events. There are assumptions that are being posed by the original threas such as:

1: Crop formations derive from a higher intelligence
2: The formation had an encrypted message
3: Astronomers are incapable of predicting solar activity by observation
4: The Sun's activity has been abnormal within the past few months
5: The earth's magnetosphere is incapable of doing its job

In order to give the original theory any credit all of the above must be true.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


I corrected myself (See edit on my post)... It may be normal, but defiantly not a common event, especialy not this big of one... a little too much activity for a quiet priod... Its like saying "its not abnormal to have a little rain in the middle of a dry season", when its a typhoon.

reply to post by Revel


If you are talking about the sunspot.. it is a sun spot. It is not a global catastrophe or a solar flare. The image could appear to be of the magnetosphere being blasted by a solar flare which did not happen. Where do you see in the image a sunspot?

Originally posted by grapesofraft

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by antonia

Furthermore why would a being of high intelligence put a message in a flippin' corn-field. Hey, we've got TV.

because they're HUGE and photos are taken of them from every angle then sent across the world to every person who wants to view them.

and they don't have to pay $500,000 a second for primetime air time.
it's free.

thaaats why.

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So you are saying that an Alien would have a hard time getting something on TV or to put it in the newspaper for everybody to see, but they are of higher intelligence.

Dont you think if an alien walked into the TV Station or the newspaper it wouldnt draw a little attention to whatever they wanted to tell us?

sure if you're the Weekly World News.

and I was kind of being facetious there.
what im saying is that it's just as effective... and most importantly.. the people who stand out from the general flock are the ones who look into the circles to begin with... meaning.. people that don't not look at them for fear of being ostracized by their peers for liking "weird things" or whatever.

you're thinking that aliens think like humans..
so you think higher intelligence is somehow in your frame of reference.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by nunya13

 

I never said human beings were making those circles. I simply stated it's an incredibly stupid way to get a message out. It's highly ineffective to say the least.

right right.. completely ineffective.. so ineffective that a google search for "crop circles" garners a hefty 1,330,000 results?

that's odd. i wish my website got that many. am i doing something wrong?

it doesn't have to be aliens using advanced technology.
it could easily be humans using advanced technology.

and it's a subtle method.
that gets results.
results = attention from those who would be interested...
and ignorance from those who would not be.

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Originally posted by brokenheadphonez
*groan* not another thread..

Yup Seems someone has an agenda to push

Biggest Ever? talk about outright lies to support a theory

Anyone ever see a Tsunami on the sun? This was cause by an X9 spot..




18 pages and 40 flags based on a falsehood? Insanity rules supreme on ATS these days

[edit on 7-7-2009 by zorgon]

I'll address a couple of those..

3: Astronomers are incapable of predicting solar activity by observation

No one said that. I said that predicting a flare weeks in advance is beyond the scope of human science. Besides, astronomers look at stars and planets, and solar physicists study the sun, so I'd wonder why an astronomer was making predictions about the sun.. External influences on the sun perhaps? I'm sure that is the case.

4: The Sun's activity has been abnormal within the past few months

Actually, it kinda has.. It's been ESPECIALLY quiet.

reply to post by Fromabove

One time in Earth's past, it got so cold so fast that Mammoths were frozen solid standing up with food still in their mouths. We know only because we found some of them. They were flash frozen in minutes.

I just mentioned this to someone the other day, what could possibly cause this? It was like they were shot with Mr. Freeze's ice gun. Just goes to show how unexpected these disasters are, and quick! People wonder through life thinking it can't happen, "la la la everything is great top of the world, nothing is gonna happe-OH GOD NO!" I'm not into predicting doomsday as I believe if TS does HTF it will be a complete surprise to most if not all. Something feels strange these days, I can't put my finger on it, but it's BIG.
Of course I can't really explain why I feel this way, it's just a hunch. Feels like being on a roller coaster and were climbing up to the first drop, and I'm not gonna hold on tight, I will throw my hands in the air on our way down.


To be honest I do think there is something significant on the horizon, it will be scary and beautiful. It will be real change, not the "change we can believe in" crap from you know who. When that day comes we will all be humbled, but also we will learn who we really are and our true purpose in the Earth. We will know the answer to that elusive question...Why?

reply to post by Fromabove

Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. However, the popular notion that these bodies were 'flash frozen' and perfectly preserved is a myth propagated by authors such as Immanuel Velikovsky. Preservation is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud and icy water which then froze. To date, thirty-nine preserved bodies have been found, but only four of them are complete. In most cases the flesh shows signs of decay before its freezing and later desiccation. Stories abound about frozen mammoth corpses that were still edible once defrosted, but the original sources indicate that the corpses were in fact terribly decayed, and the stench so unbearable that only the dogs accompanying the finders showed any interest in the flesh.

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[edit on 7/7/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by GrndCntrl2MjrTom
It is obvious OP is trying to exploit the crop formation to the utmost. Original message of the formation was alleged to be a massive solar storm of epic proportions on this 7th day of July. MASSIVE FAIL!

I for one do not rely on crop formations in order to predict future events. There are assumptions that are being posed by the original threas such as:

1: Crop formations derive from a higher intelligence
2: The formation had an encrypted message
3: Astronomers are incapable of predicting solar activity by observation
4: The Sun's activity has been abnormal within the past few months
5: The earth's magnetosphere is incapable of doing its job

In order to give the original theory any credit all of the above must be true.

The original interpretation (being made by a human) may have misinterpreted slightly... Like trying to direct translate german using Bablefish... The fact is one of the causes of solar storms (Sun Spots) reached its peak, being possibly larger than ever recorded on the day in question.

1. Possibly True
2. most Definatly
3. Predicting unusual behaviour is not easy
4. This is not unusual? In the middle of its quite period to have such strange activitu is not unusual?
5. It is, but there has been proof of it calapsing before and that it may have started a long long time ago:
www.theozonehole.com...

Symbolic representations which symbolize events are subject to interpretation which can misinterpret minor aspects. No a huge solar storm didn;t explode today, but the fact a large sunspot reached its peak which may make the beging of something greater did. A mionor change in the interpretation which became fact.



You have an urgent U2U

[edit on 7/7/09 by masqua]

reply to post by Revel
Most observers are biased towards the sun should having been out of the quiet period by now..hence my last post.

Originally posted by Revel
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

I corrected myself (See edit on my post)... It may be normal, but defiantly not a common event, especialy not this big of one... a little too much activity for a quiet priod... Its like saying "its not abnormal to have a little rain in the middle of a dry season", when its a typhoon.

It may be true that this sunspot exists (sunspot #1024), but it isn't "huge" -- and certainly isn't out of the ordinary.

And it is true this new activity could signal the end of the current solar minimum, but we won't know that for several months. It takes several months of sustained solar activity before scientists declare the end to the natural solar minimum, but they can retro-actively set the date of that end after they have all of the data (i.e., they may not know for 12 months that the current cycle of solar minimum ended in June or July of 2009).

One sunspot does not equal the end of the current cycle -- although it may be "one of the many sunspots" along with ine just last month (sunspot #1023) that will signal the end of the current minimum.


[edit on 7/7/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]