Islamofascism - Future of Europe

Ooh, another Islamophobic thread posted, incidentally, by a user whose tag is "Aryanwatch".

First of all, your user name indicates that you draw issues along racial lines. Big mistake, duder. If you wanted to present yourself as some kind of "watchman" or "champion" of white people, you have failed. You obviously represent only the fearful and paranoid amongst ignorant white culture.

Seriously, did you think about it before you chose it? Are you aware of the potentially racist implications that might be gleaned from it?

Anyway, to the facts:

The Muslim population of any country in Northern and Western Europe doesn't exceed 10%. In most cases it averages under 2%. The total proportion of Muslims in all of Europe is around 2.987%

So... where exactly is the threat?

This thread is a farce, designed to feed on the insecurities of ignorant and ill-educated people.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Here is the link which tells you an untold story.Atleast general public remains ignorant to the sufferings of a few people who find themselves surrounded by the islamofascists.

Massacared by Muslims

This video contains the news which was covered by CNN

What the heck does the kashmir conflict on the indo-pakistan border have to do with muslims flooding europe? Your mixing apples with oranges and wasting our time!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Earthcitizen - You are an idiot and a very shameless one. My post above was in response to you earlier post where you had asked the source of my first hand information regarding the atrocities committed by muslims. Please go back and read the post trail to understand. If you think I'am wasting your time,don't take active interest in my threads and stay away. That will be better for you as it will not waste your time and you will not waste mine.

reply to post by Roark

First of all, your user name indicates that you draw issues along racial lines. Big mistake, duder. If you wanted to present yourself as some kind of "watchman" or "champion" of white people, you have failed. You obviously represent only the fearful and paranoid amongst ignorant white culture.

Don't bother too much about my username. You won't understand it.

Seriously, did you think about it before you chose it? Are you aware of the potentially racist implications that might be gleaned from it?

None of your business.Stick to the topic.

The Muslim population of any country in Northern and Western Europe doesn't exceed 10%. In most cases it averages under 2%. The total proportion of Muslims in all of Europe is around 2.987%

What about the east europe? That is not in your radar? The threat is not the percentage of population alone.Read through the history of these people in the link below to understand my point.

Muslim Population in Europe

You don't look at the numbers to appreciate the threat.You need to look at the psychological make up of ethnic groups to understand the implications in the long run. Even if they are averaging only 2.987%,has it stopped them from running their own sharia courts in Britain?Has it stopped them preaching hatred about the countries that are feeding them? Have they started getting assimilated in the culture of their lands which they live on now? Do they respect your religion and culture?

This is one case where the motives are more important than the numbers for sure.

reply to post by Haydn_17

No islamifaction is never going to happen.

Why are you so confident about this? Any facts? Most of the countries who have had this illussion would be the worst victims. You just need to look up the interviews/talks/ of some of the young muslims in madarsas to understand the extent of brainwashing they go through even in Europe.

]reply to post by Roark

This thread is a farce, designed to feed on the insecurities of ignorant and ill-educated people.

It's not a farce.It's to make people aware that this Ethnic Cleansing BY Muslims can happen to them in their coutries too.

The Kashmir issue is probably a bad example to use to show "the evils of Islam", because "massacres", "attacks", "killings", are happening on both sides, and to both sides.

Well, anytime you have a bunch of fundamentalists running around, you are going to have problems. It doesn't matter if they are Christian, Muslim, or whatever.

You bring up a good point though. Part of Europe's problem has and continues to be the "open borders" stance they seem to take. America is beginning to fall in line with this train of thought. I am telling anyone who will listen; it doesn't have a good ending.

Originally posted by babloyi
The Kashmir issue is probably a bad example to use to show "the evils of Islam", because "massacres", "attacks", "killings", are happening on both sides, and to both sides.

Really? How many crusades have the Hindus started? You know, honestly, all of the crap going on in this world today is centered around the Abrahamic religions trying to reinstate their dominance over the world. If you believe that it is over anything other than that, you are only fooling yourself.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

Who said anything about Crusades? I was talking about a specific conflict, and how it is not exactly the best example the OP could have come up with to demonstrate the "Islamofascism" that s/he is claiming.


If you believe that the Kashmir conflict is purely (or heck, even majorly) the fault of the muslims, and the Hindus are all innocent victims, then my friend, you are only fooling yourself.

reply to post by babloyi

If you believe that the Kashmir conflict is purely (or heck, even majorly) the fault of the muslims, and the Hindus are all innocent victims, then my friend, you are only fooling yourself.

Yes I believe that only muslims are to blame for what is happening in not only kashmir but in other parts of the world as well. The concept of superiority doesn't let them be at peace either with other religions but also with themselves. Once they run out of issues like kashmir which gives them an excuse to fight the infidels;they turn to themselves. Sunnis vs.Shias and both vs.Wahabis etc. They are a fighting clan and always look out for conflict situations because their prophet has taught them the art of war through jihad and intolerance.

Muslims believe in one fundamental doctrine when it comes to politicalization of religion and that is - What is mine is mine and what is yours is Also Mine.

Have you met a muslim who thinks about anything other than his religion and afterlife? Heaven or Hell? Thats what they live and kill others by? Sounds extreme...but it's true...

Originally posted by AryanWatch
What about the east europe? That is not in your radar?

Eastern Europe is less relevant to the topic as they have a much higher proportion of Muslims, for historical reasons. I specified Northern and Western Europe purely because these are not traditionally Muslim homelands.

Originally posted by AryanWatchYou don't look at the numbers to appreciate the threat.You need to look at the psychological make up of ethnic groups to understand the implications in the long run.

Hang on a second. The "psychological make up" of ethnic groups???

Are you suggesting a common psychological profile across ANY ethnic group? Mate, this is dangerous territory. Not only that, it's just plain stupid. To suggest that ethnic groups have common psychological attributes is to generalise in a way similar to small-minded views like "all Jews are miserly" or "all Irish are alcoholics". Get a grip, dude. It might be convenient to generalise for your prejudicial purposes, but that doesn't make it true across the board.

Do you tar all Muslims with the same brush? It certainly appears so. You appear to take the most extreme examples of followers of Islam and apply the most undesirable attributes to the rest of them. If you don't understand how obtuse that is, I fear you are already lost to your virulent prejudice and therefore incapable of viewing this stuff rationally or without emotion.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
Even if they are averaging only 2.987%,has it stopped them from running their own sharia courts in Britain?

This is absurd, childish sensationalism. Sharia law has NOT been applied in Europe, and the only area in which serious suggestions for it have even been considered is divorce proceedings. So, in your quest to demonise the followers of Islam, you have let the truth go by the wayside and decided to exaggerate and inflate a half-truth beyond all reason. This does not do much for your credibility, mate.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
Has it stopped them preaching hatred about the countries that are feeding them? Have they started getting assimilated in the culture of their lands which they live on now? Do they respect your religion and culture?

Who are you talking about? Certainly not the majority of Muslims. Once again, you take extremist examples and present them as the whole. If I did the same thing with American footballers, with OJ Simpson as their "posterchild", I would be laughed at, but people like you prey on the unspoken fears of others, and so you have a willing audience. An ignorant, paranoid and fearful audience, but still...

All you've presented thus far in this thread are a couple of links (to such weighty sources as Youtube, no less), and your own poisonous, fearmongering rhetoric. The burden of proof still lies upon you to substantiate these claims you have made. I don't invite you to follow up on proving your case, though. I think your mission is despicable, your intentions disingenuous, and your methods dishonest.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Roark]

reply to post by Roark


Roark - I will not respond to the questions which you have posed in your post below because it seems to me that you are playing with words more than anything else. You are using the logic of an ostriech to deny the obvious.Below are some of the points which might answer some of the questions/allegations and insults that you have hurled at my logic,reasoning etc in your post. For starters,here is a list of Banned Organizations.Now please figure out for yourself if this list tell you something.


Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al Jihad (AJ)
Al Qaida
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade (AAMB)
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (AGAI)
Al-Ittihad Al-Islam (AIAI)
Ansar al-Islam (AI)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Asbat Al-Ansar ("The League of Partisans")
Aum Shinrikyo
Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC)
Babbar Khalsa (BK)
Ejército de Liberación Nacional (ELN)
Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA)
Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC)
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
Hamas (Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamiya) ("Islamic Resistance Movement")
Harakat ul-Mudjahidin (HuM)
Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin (HIG)
Hizballah
International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)
Islamic Army of Aden (IAA)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
Jemaah Islamiyyah (JI)
Kahane Chai (KACH)
Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
Mujahedin e Khalq (MEK)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)
Sendero Luminoso (SL)
Vanguards of Conquest (VOC)
World Tamil Movement (WTM)

Majority of the organizations listed above are related to Islam Directly. Now if it's one or two cases of an islamic terror organization cominfg into being,one can accept reasons like proscecution,poverty,discrimination etc. But if there so many of them then many more questions need to be answered.
Probably you would have noticed that most of the above mentioned organizations are from a list published by Govt of Canada and similar lists exist for almost all developed/developing countries. This list is a result of careful investigation by professionals on the conduct of certain organizations operating within their boundaries. Most of the banned organizations in most countries are Islamic outfits promoting their ideologies in persuit for political/religious objectives.Please look at the link below to look at the details about the great work done by these organizations:

Banned Organizations

Look at some of the news around you:

China:

China's Trouble

Ethiopia:

Ethiopian Unrest

Tanzania:

You can actually use the news below and research on the topic.

Burning of Religious Monuments

Kuwait:

This one might pass on as a one off case. You just have to check for similar other incidents reported in the press of the muslim world.

Abducting, Raping,Enslaving and Selling Women

Philippines:

Islamic Jihad

Palestine:

Convicted for laughing

Pakistan:

Young Boys paid for Suicide Attacks

Sweden:

islamineurope.blogspot.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Honor Killings

The links and sources above are varied and I have not picked them up with certain criteria in mind. I have looked at them as news items related to Islam.Please let me know if you can find parallels to these news items related to one religion anywhere. If yes,please show me.

The one below should be shocking for you too. This is a perfect Islamic justice. Check up the interpretations of Islamic Justic system based on 'an eye for an eye' on the internet or talk to some scholars on the subject.
Justice - Islamist Style

Look at what an exmuslim has to say.
Thoughts of an Ex-Muslim


Also,you must look at the list of attacks carried out by Islamic fundamentalist,the casualties ( Civilian and otherwise ) and the resulting terror throughout the globe. The link below will provide you with most of that.

List of Terror Attacks - Past 2 Months

List of Terror Attacks - First Half of 2009

List of Terror Attacks - 2008

You will find the data for all terro attacks for last 4-5 years on the same link. Before you ask;frankly, I don't have a method to verify all the news items or all the facts of the list above but when I checked some of the news items they turned out to be true. You can check out for yourself too by using the date,country,place and a brief description of the incident to search the internet for the related mainstream news articles.


I still think that your thought of living in an islamic threat free world is too short sighted,Ill-informed and assumptutous. It will do good to all of us including the citizen of Europe to know the danger that they are facing in espousing short sighted political decisions and policies of open borders etc. A commentary about a religion which is responsible for causing so much havoc and an attempt to make people aware of the dangers is not a rhetoric. It's an informed decision.

Check out any news bulletin on the BBC world service - the main newsheadlines from the entire globe. There is a story of murder in the name of islam EVERY SINGLE DAY.

That isn't being racist, as muslims can be of any race, it is however indicative of the violent Satanic religion of islam. Yet the media in general try to make the public at large that islam is a religion of peace.

reply to post by babloyi


I don't seem to remember Hindus tearing down statues of the Buddha and such... Now, if you're going to argue that Hindus are fighting Muslims over Kashmir, I will agree and say that the Hindus have every right to fight them over Kashmir.

Kashmir is in India, which is a Hindu nation, lest you forget.

I know what I have said may seem unrelated, but it is very much related. When you take a look at their seemingly obstructive ultimate goal, it is clear what is going on.

It is getting to where spiritual people, namely the Hindus, New agers, et cetera, are being backed into a corner. Oh, but it will stop. It's just sad that it's going to take the measures that it is going to take to stop it.

We are living in a world that has gone mad. We have athiests running around claiming that there is "no God." We have religious fanatics claiming that they have the "ultimate truth." Then you have the true spiritual seekers being, as I stated, backed into a corner.

The mixture is just right for the "perfect storm." It's coming. Believe you me, it's coming.

Europe, in a sense, is a victim of their own decisions. Much like Aryan said, Europes lenient border policies have not helped them in the slightest.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

CAN religion comprise a country's all-encompassing identity? How does connecting religion to a particular place affect our perception of that place?

Very much

Despite what some may think, religion does play a role in people's perception of a nation. It's unfortunate, but it does.

My question to Europeans is simple. How can you expect a, at least previously, very Christian continent to take on a load of Muslim immigrants and not have problems? Do you really believe that the Muslims are going to lay aside the fact that Muslims and Christians have been fighting for centuries? It's not going to happen.



[edit on 9-7-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by AryanWatch
Roark - I will not respond to the questions which you have posed in your post below because it seems to me that you are playing with words more than anything else. You are using the logic of an ostriech to deny the obvious. Below are some of the points which might answer some of the questions/allegations and insults that you have hurled at my logic,reasoning etc in your post. For starters,here is a list of Banned Organizations.Now please figure out for yourself if this list tell you something.

Don't get me wrong, dude, I understand that there are problems in the world concerning Muslim extremists. I think just about everyone does. It pretty much goes without saying.

You, however, are painting with a broad brush to include ALL Muslims. This is just plain wrong. Most Muslims are normal people who care about their families and just want to live their lives with happiness and security like the rest of us. Surely you understand this? Yet, you don't make this distinction anywhere. You use terminology like the "psychological make up of ethnic groups" suggesting that they are all the same, when nothing could be further from the truth, and any reasonable person knows this. THIS is why I called you prejudicial.

I note that you didn't respond to my point about you sensationalising the issue of "Sharia courts in Europe".

In no way did I insult or attack you as a person. Instead, I addressed your arguments, your viewpoint and your "facts".

Again, my issue with your arguments is that you take the most extreme negative examples of Islamic criminals and present it as being typical of Islam with no distinction between these criminals and the vast majority of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.

You have already stated that there is a significant personal experiential factor in your viewpoint, involving friends of yours. My belief is that the emotions resultant from this unpleasant experience have coloured your opinion.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I don't seem to remember Hindus tearing down statues of the Buddha and such... Now, if you're going to argue that Hindus are fighting Muslims over Kashmir, I will agree and say that the Hindus have every right to fight them over Kashmir.

Kashmir is in India, which is a Hindu nation, lest you forget.

India would (officially) very much disagree with you there. They claim to be a secular nation.

Using your argument above, would you also say that the Jews have "every right" to fight the muslims out of Israel, because Israel is a "Jewish Nation"?

Muslims have been in Kashmir (and in India) for over a thousand years. They are as much a part of the "Indian identity" as any other religion there. The Kashmir issue is a very complicated and deep issue, now over 60 years old, and dumbing it down to "Muslims vs Hindus" is what causes all the carnage in the first place. To say that one side is at fault (when both have used more than their fair share of violence and nastiness) is a little naive.

I understand that you take issue with the Abrahamic religions, but I'm sure you realise that just because you dislike them, they're not always the main perpetrators of the problem. Hinduism itself (since you brought it up as an 'opposite' to Islam) isn't exactly the beacon of religious tolerance.

PS: When did muslims in India tear down statues of Buddha?

[edit on 10-7-2009 by babloyi]

reply to post by babloyi

When did muslims in India tear down statues of Buddha?

They didn't tear down the statue of buddha in India.It was in Afghanistan. But in India,they have torn down,demolished and descerated thousands of hindu temples. Check out the History of India. It;s their even in their text books. Muslims employed every possible discriminatory tool like jajiya,breaking down the temples,raping woment,forceful conversion etc. during their rule in India. Check it out.