Could We Fight a Foreign Attack on U.S. Soil?

Being that the US owes a debt to China, the Chinese won't do anything that would affect the American's ability to repay. (e.g. Full-Scale Invasion) To me, the most probable situation involving landing on American soil would be to raid banks, gold storage facilities, the Treasury, perhaps even oil from Alaska, anything that would speed up the repayment. Occupation would be the killer here. If for every mile you advance, a chunk of men have to stay behind and hold down the area, you'd run out of men pretty soon. Of course, there would be some collaborators alwalys looking for a profit, but for the most part, every citizen would fight back. This seems like a perfect time for:
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

[edit on 5-7-2009 by fleetlord]

reply to post by Speights


I dont see anyone scared here..In this thread or on mainstreet..If I asked any one,and anyone sane they would laugh at me..

Sure there will always be people that were those bill board signs saying the end is near!.but usually they get a dollar or two thrown at them as you walk passed..

reply to post by RDJORD89


Bingo. Well said. Im sure your logic will be ignored. Most people only like to fancy themsleves with the off the wall comments and irrational views.

Again, I couldnt agree more. Star. and two thumbs up.

reply to post by Speights


Admittedly, I have not read the first few pages of posts, but I cant imagine anyone with their feet stable on the ground and have any sort of real understanding of history and the capabilitites of the U.S. mlitary is not in the slightest fearful of any invasion on home turf.

I know one thing. With the amount of patriotism that is within the Americn people (and even within the detractors) you would see a reppeled invader by Americans like never before seen. Even those that once bashed American ideas and ways would turn around and do something for the effort. I really do not think anyone is actually fearful of such an event.

That being said...it is quite the opposite when it comes to a nuclear detonation. America has been overly panicked and fearful since we dropped two on Japan in WW2. Plenty of fear to go around in that regard. But scared of invasion?.... nah.

One element that would affect an invasion, I do not see be noticed here. In California, Arizona, Texas, and probably New Mexico, they already have potential allies, the gangs from out of Mexico and those who would support them over an American resistance movement and the USAF. The same gangs that the Mexican military is fighting a war against, with no clear "we are winning!" signals coming out

Originally posted by projectvxn
If an invasion occured, let me tell you what I would do:
...
No prisoners, no kind treatment, this is my home and I will defend it with my years of martial arts and combat training.

Thank you, I haven't laughed this hard in days.
That is funny/ironic on SO many levels.

"my years of martial arts and combat training."

LOL, That's my new catch phrase.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I've never been in the military, but believe me when I say this invaders would think otherwise when they take note of their losses. And I am not the only privately trained individual in the US. There are literally millions of us. Nevermind ex military and current personnel. I dont see it without the use of nukes.

Even though the idea of invasion is clearly silly, you sir have put a smile on m face today.

I am assuming this is what you were going for and I thank you.
After reading the doom and gloom of ATS, I needed a break!

I might point out that the "maniac" in North Korea is a manufactured one. They have control of THAT source.

They need a focal point for justification, and they have built that one for us.

It's all in the steering of the emotions the human hearted have. And they know quite well what will move us and what won't, on a societal level, as long as they control consensus reality.

They had their troops out, decrying the neglect NK was receiving in the march off to the middle east. Now is the scene where NK truly comes in to the play.

And Kim, whether a lookalike, a hologram, or the real flesh, is not the one making the choices of behavior in that location of Consciousness.

And this play, my friends, is a farce. A deadly one.

Better we do all the work as we can to sail this ship of Now into a better solution than those who bring us Kim at this point. And open the view to the abundance paradigm, one that proves to be absolutely possible Now.

I tried to show as good a mental film in my book of what abundance would look like if enough would so choose, and also show that one could choose to live at any level of tech they wanted to, depending on their bliss.

That with no profit motive, virtually all the poor choices of behavior on this planet would vanish. And we would live - we CAN live- fully free as citizens of any galactic cultures out there we might encounter - or are currently encountering.

It is a misstatement that "aliens" must be "millions of years more advanced..."

All they are is more informed. But they sew the seeds of an inferiority complex for a purpose. Once we think that we are less, we have undercurrents of fear, and when we fear...we can be controlled.

So I say, we can bring abundance on this planet, and we can step forth as equals of understanding, if failing to be fully informed.

Give us the information, and we will build heaven.

And my book is all about giving information.

Originally posted by LeTan
If we were to ever be attacked on our own soil, it would be government planned and responsible. And the people's duty to defend against enemies, foreign and domestic.

Why is it so difficult to imagine another country waging war on us on our own soil? Why would it have to be our own government? Fifty million illegals get into this country constantly....and you think it so difficult to imagine getting attacked from within?

I, for one, don't think any other country attacking us on US soil would get very far, let alone win, but I do not think it impossible.

Our goverment is not our only enemy.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
Our goverment is not our only enemy.

No truer words were spake.

The goverment is merely a mechanism of control. There are others, and someone's is behind it all.

[edit on 7/5/2009 by Amaterasu]

I believe the possibility exists. I believe it would be through Mexico (as it almost was in WWII - Germany was going to attack that way).

I do not believe China will invade the United States. If anyone has ever studied the Chinese culture (whom by the way have the richest culture for many thousands of years) will find out that they want to stay within their borders. Also, their rapid growth has occurred with no thought to regulate. They have a lot of issues. Their attack most likely will be on the financial system (destabilize the dollar and try to put another currency in place as the backup) and cyber attacks.

Deny Ignorance

The first thing that comes to mind is how would a country or group of countries attempt an invasion? As has been stated , it would take months, if not years to plan and assemble the troops necessary to stage the invasion. How would this go undetected? IMO it would be impossible to keep a secret this big. Second, look at the military firepower rankings on the link provided earlier in the thread, and go to the airborne rankings. We , the USA, have an air fleet larger than the next 9 nations on the list COMBINED.! The only way a foreign invasion would work is to eliminate that HUGE advantage, and I think that the only way that would happen is to use nukes, which would open the invaders up for our own superior nuclear technology, so it is unlikely that that would happen. So just attempting that invasion would be silly, but just for s&g lets assume that the invasion happened. With the huge air advantage we have it would be fairly easy to disrupt the supply lines, which would wreak havoc on the morale of the invaders, these guys have to eat, right? they also need ammo and other supplies. So basically we have an invasion doomed to fail even before these invaders have the pleasure of meeting an armed and equipped American resistance, and once these weakened troops meet this resistance they are screwed.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
That could mean, if push came to shove, china could send tropps over hear to hold whats theirs.

Except for one enormous problem... More than 80 million American citizens are in possession of over 280 million firearms and enough ammunition to overthrow China itself in one afternoon. When push comes to shove, China's military is no match for our combined military forces and armed citizenry. China's military is less than capable of dealing with their own citizenry, nevermind the heavily-armed American populace.

— Doc Velocity

We build giant moats of crap lead based Chinese toys with pungi sticks and mines. Send our army of Chinese made remote control cars at their waves of troops with grenades and acid bombs strapped to them.

The only chance for them is to sneak in. They would not have a home left to go back to and they know it. We would drive them into the oceans that surround this great land feeding everything in them from the sharks to the smallest pin fish.

Take Vietnam, Iraq-A-stan, Stalingrad and the battle of the bulge and then wrap all of them in one and thats what the enemy would be facing.

Any takers?

reply to post by ~Lucidity


The difference between America and other countries is the amount of weapontry spread out among the people.

It wouldn't be the military that the opposing faction would fear, it would be the rain of death from 300 million pissed off americans with the right to bear arms.

Originally posted by gormly

Originally posted by projectvxn
If an invasion occured, let me tell you what I would do:
...
No prisoners, no kind treatment, this is my home and I will defend it with my years of martial arts and combat training.

Thank you, I haven't laughed this hard in days.
That is funny/ironic on SO many levels.

"my years of martial arts and combat training."

LOL, That's my new catch phrase.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I've never been in the military, but believe me when I say this invaders would think otherwise when they take note of their losses. And I am not the only privately trained individual in the US. There are literally millions of us. Nevermind ex military and current personnel. I dont see it without the use of nukes.

Even though the idea of invasion is clearly silly, you sir have put a smile on m face today.

I am assuming this is what you were going for and I thank you.
After reading the doom and gloom of ATS, I needed a break!

I'm assuming you know me? Or think you do. If you're going to reply to my posts please address the content. You're welcome to make fun all you'd like but I am a serious individual and I take protecting my home seriously. I fail to see what was so funny about my post.

[edit on 5-7-2009 by projectvxn]

reply to post by gormly


gormly, at least he's willing. His heart is in the right place, even if he may be a bit enthusiastic.

I much rather have someone like project than be stuck with many that have no courage, no conviction, and no balls.

The problem in many militia groups is those who have never actually seen the varmint face to face.

After the first time, it kind of takes the shine off all that enthusiasm.
Nothing like seeing a friend lying there deader than hell to realize that dead is for a long time.

I like his spirit, and he reminds me of a guy we called Thunderbolt. Come to find out, he was everything he said he was, and he could do everything he said he could do.

I learned a long time ago to not judge a man who says he can or will, until he proves otherwise.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


well theres currently about 369,000 troops deployed world wide are army personnel there is as of 28 February, 2009 1,454,515 military personnel so to answer your question about 25% of are armed forces are stationed world wide. Right now the Russian military is at 1.2 million so even with deployment we still have almost the same standing army as the Russians.

LOL invading the US..
Hmmmmm.. By whom? And didn't that already happen nearly a century ago?
Who owns your banks? Not you.
Who owns your health care system? Not you.
Who owns your politicians? Not you.
Who owns your media? Not you.

The US is already so under control, what's left to invade?

If they tried to take the only thing you truly own, your lives, they would get F$#%ED to # (I hope) because of your affinity with weapons and defending yourselves, and rightly so.

But in terms of a full scale invasion.. well... Couldn't see it happening. You shall remain the invaders, not the invaded.

Originally posted by dooper
This "invasion" by a foreign nation would assume complete control of the sea.

For troops to invade, they have to get here first, and in numbers, and with heavy support. Hard to do when hundreds of thousands of tons of shipping - men, supplies, war-making materials - would be sunk right and left.

Oh sure, someone might be able to pretty much throw a coastal city into turmoil, but that division referred to among Americans?

That alone would be a uniting factor.

Once in-country, an invading force would run into a chain-saw. There are many weapons systems NOT IN USE in this country, developed by individuals and small firms.

They would ensure that these systems were put into the hands of those Americans who would fight, and this unnamed enemy would run into some stuff the world has never seen.

It could be a blessing.

Nothing like a common enemy to rally a common cause.

Freedom.

You wouldn't need "complete control of the sea" to do a trans-oceanic invasion.

You would just need a large fleet of transport ships (which China does) and ports to land at (China has contracts to run many ports in North America).

"The only US invasion is the ongoing invasion by illegal Mexicans.

The logistics in what you propose is impossible."

All the illegals walking across the border were not stopped.Isn't that an invasion force? 17 million just walked right in moved into your neighborhood,took your jobs ruined your economy,etc.

WHO STOPPED THEM?

What would prevent the corrupt government of Mexico from being inclusion with them.How do we know there are not weapons caches in shipping containers already sitting in our ports or marshaling yards or pre staged around the country.
Money talks to any one to look the other way.

The largest community of Chinese out side of China is in Vancouver,B.C.
The whole frigging city is Chinese.

Living right there on our border.

All that would need to be done is to neutralize the civilian and military leadership.

Americans are notorious for following orders.What if there is no one to give them?

Governors,Mayors,Police Chiefs, Guard Generals.If the chain of command is
taken out and communications are disrupted,Americans would sit on their hands.

Everything this country uses is electronic.With 90% made with chips from China.

The Chinese are already buying all the empty houses in Calif. Because we'll sell them to anybody.

They'll make great barracks for their troops.